Would you be for or against using stoning as a punishment for people who engage in zina? In Somalia
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OBEY Allah and OBEY the Messenger and those in authority among you. [Qur’an 4:59]
I disagree for the simple fact that stoning has only ever been said to imply for adultery. Pre-marital sex on it's own doesn't even warrant a death sentence.
The threshold being:
[24:13] Only if they produced four witnesses(you may believe them). If they fail to produce the witnesses, then they are, according to GOD, liars.
Absolutely, in a hypothetical situation about adultery, the answer is a clear "YES.
Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: A Muslim man went to the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) while he was in the mosque and called him, saying: "O Messenger of Allah, I have committed adultery." The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) turned his face away from him. So, the man came round (from the other side) towards his face and said: "O Messenger of Allah, I have committed adultery." The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) again turned his face away from him, until the man did this four times. When he testified four times that he had done so, the Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) called him, saying: "Do you suffer any form of insanity?" The man replied: 'No.' The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) then asked him: "Are you married?" The man answered: 'Yes.' The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said (to his Companions): "Take him away and stone him (to death)." Ibn Shihāb said: "Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abdur-Rahmān informed me that he heard Jābir ibn ‘Abdullāh say: ‘I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the place of prayer. When the stones hurt him, he ran away. We caught him in Al-Harrah and stoned him (to death).'"
Sahih/Authentic. - [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
I want to make it clear that I'm not a scholar. Islam, in my understanding, does not endorse self-flagellation. If someone has committed a sin that remains undisclosed, seeking forgiveness is more important than attempting to balance the scales through punishment. It is crucial not to hastily uncover sins without reasonable doubt, especially if the individuals involved prefer to keep them private.
I emphasize this point, particularly for those who may harbor a desire to mete out harsh punishments, such as stoning, based on insufficient or flimsy evidence.
I disagree for the simple fact that stoning has only ever been said to imply for adultery. Pre-marital sex on it's own doesn't even warrant a death sentence.
The threshold being:
[24:13] Only if they produced four witnesses(you may believe them). If they fail to produce the witnesses, then they are, according to GOD, liars.
Absolutely, in a hypothetical situation about adultery, the answer is a clear "YES.
Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: A Muslim man went to the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) while he was in the mosque and called him, saying: "O Messenger of Allah, I have committed adultery." The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) turned his face away from him. So, the man came round (from the other side) towards his face and said: "O Messenger of Allah, I have committed adultery." The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) again turned his face away from him, until the man did this four times. When he testified four times that he had done so, the Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) called him, saying: "Do you suffer any form of insanity?" The man replied: 'No.' The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) then asked him: "Are you married?" The man answered: 'Yes.' The Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said (to his Companions): "Take him away and stone him (to death)." Ibn Shihāb said: "Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abdur-Rahmān informed me that he heard Jābir ibn ‘Abdullāh say: ‘I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the place of prayer. When the stones hurt him, he ran away. We caught him in Al-Harrah and stoned him (to death).'"
Sahih/Authentic. - [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
I want to make it clear that I'm not a scholar. Islam, in my understanding, does not endorse self-flagellation. If someone has committed a sin that remains undisclosed, seeking forgiveness is more important than attempting to balance the scales through punishment. It is crucial not to hastily uncover sins without reasonable doubt, especially if the individuals involved prefer to keep them private.
I emphasize this point, particularly for those who may harbor a desire to mete out harsh punishments, such as stoning, based on insufficient or flimsy evidence.
Stoning can only be applied to individuals who have been married or are currently married.
If the person is ''Thayyib'' a person who is currently married or was married before, the punishment is stoning.
If you have never been married before but commit zina, you will be punished with 100 lashes.
If the person is ''Thayyib'' a person who is currently married or was married before, the punishment is stoning.
If you have never been married before but commit zina, you will be punished with 100 lashes.
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Its hard to prove though
Very hard indeed, unless they confess
