Wisdom behind gender wars/hate for opposite gender.

[AllStarSaciid]

We live in a man’s world and throughout the ages men have always had an upper hand, but in the West things are becoming more equal with now a surplus of women doing better or proclaiming they no longer need men, which causes young men to have an identity crisis, especially the lonely types who don’t have much going for them. I suppose misogyny makes them feel empowered.

Also, a lot of the things women now regard as sexist and even most of the views of redpill are the views men had in traditional societies. It is now only a ‘war’ because women are now in a position to be able to verbally defend themselves.

I mean you’re partially right. Women no longer need men not because they’re necessarily doing better but because the playing field isn’t fair no more or equal, with the invention of hormonal birth control and abortion. It has put reproductive power/choice solely in the hands of one sex and one sex only, that being women. Which isn’t fair by no means. A woman can now choose who she wants to sleep with and at any moment if she gets pregnant and feels like she didn’t make the best choice she can just abort the baby and go on living her life.
women dont need men for survival coz of pushing them in the work force and satisfying that need for provision, now she could provide for herself and didn’t need a man for that. With the pill she could sleep with who she wanted and not worry abt getting pregnant.
Now she had the power to sleep around with men she wanted and when it came the time to cash her chips and look for security coz she could no longer compete with her younger self to get the attention of the guys she wants she “settles”.
I’m I wrong @Omar del Sur

 

[Angelina]

A woman is obligated to obey her husband. If the husband says cook and clean for me, rear my children, I will provide, protect and be parentally invested in the children. She should absolutely do that. No questions asked.

Not necessarily, in most madhabs a woman doesn’t have to, especially the Shafi Madhab whilst Hanafis argue that a high status woman doesn’t have to, whilst normal women do. Shafis go as far as saying whilst a woman obviously has to obey her husband, the husband cannot enforce a woman to cook and clean as it is not simply her duty.

obviously, in traditional societies in which a husband provides and he can’t afford a maid that isn’t feesible.

 

[AllStarSaciid]

Not necessarily, in most madhabs a woman doesn’t have to, especially the Shafi Madhab whilst Hanafis argue that a high status woman doesn’t have to, whilst normal women do. Shafis go as far as saying whilst a woman obviously has to obey her husband, the husband cannot enforce a woman to cook and clean as it is not simply her duty.

obviously, in traditional societies in which a husband provides and he can’t afford a maid that isn’t feesible.

exactly, exceptions don't make the rule.
no woman is above the authority of her husband.

 

[Angelina]

I mean you’re partially right. Women no longer need men not because they’re necessarily doing better but because the playing field isn’t fair no more or equal, with the invention of hormonal birth control and abortion.

Tbh, the playing field wasn’t fair in the past and we all know it. A man could get a woman pregnant and he could refuse to acknowledge that child, whilst the woman would be saddled with the shame, work and stigma. How on earth was it fair then? Btw, I don’t believe in abortion as that is haram, nor any form of sex before marriage

It has put reproductive power/choice solely in the hands of one sex and one sex only, that being women.

It’s always been that way. A woman who refuses to have sex is very much still in charge of her reproductive system. It’s just now a woman can have sex and not have to deal with the consequences, just like men tbh. Men have never had to deal with the consequences of sex.

Which isn’t fair by no means.

Why is it fair for men not to deal with consequences but you expect women to? Just a general question. Historically men would go to prostitutes, sleep around with 0 consequences and still expected to have a virgin bride. This isn’t about fairness, it’s about keeping women accountable and not men.

A woman can now choose who she wants to sleep with and at any moment if she gets pregnant and feels like she didn’t make the best choice she can just abort the baby and go on living her life.

I’m confused. Are you advocating for forced marriages? Even in a traditional society in which women are allowed to marry who they want. They are still choosing who they want to sleep with.

women dont need men for survival coz of pushing them in the work force and satisfying that need for provision, now she could provide for herself and didn’t need a man for that.

Yes, you’re correct. Now you angry men who have realized that they’re undesirable in every way be it personality, attitude, looks but in a world in which women need men for survival, there will be a miskeen women who will sleep with him and stay with him just to live.

With the pill she could sleep with who she wanted and not worry abt getting pregnant.
Now she had the power to sleep around with men she wanted and when it came the time to cash her chips and look for security coz she could no longer compete with her younger self to get the attention of the guys she wants she “settles”.
I’m I wrong @Omar del Sur

Why do you keep on talking about ‘want’. A conservative woman who gets married is still able to sleep with a man she wants but in a halal manner.

 

[Angelina]

exactly, exceptions don't make the rule.
no woman is above the authority of her husband.

It isn’t exceptions. The vast majority of madhabs apart from Salafis are of the view that a woman’s duty isn’t to cook and clean.

 

[Taij4an]

it's cucked. there is a problem if you're okay with your wife working with men in a mixed environment outside of your presence. you should fight it tooth and nail, not be ready to accept it. to accept it would be dayuth in tendency.

As I said some people have no choice, unless u want u and ur wife to be homeless?

 

[Angelina]

As I said some people have no choice, unless u want u and ur wife to be homeless?

Let these people live an alternative reality. There is a reason why a lot of the things they say are simply ideals that the vast majority of people cannot live by as in this world it is simply not feasible.

 

[AllStarSaciid]

It’s always been that way. A woman who refuses to have sex is very much still in charge of her reproductive system. It’s just now a woman can have sex and not have to deal with the consequences, just like men tbh. Men have never had to deal with the consequences of sex.

a woman at any period of pregnancy can decide she doesn't want the child and abort it without the consent of the father but a guy will have to pay child support for 18 years for a kid he never wanted. He can even get cucked and still provide for a kid he didn't sire no questions asked. responsibility no authority.

Why is it fair for men not to deal with consequences but you expect women to? Just a general question. Historically men would go to prostitutes, sleep around with 0 consequences and still expected to have a virgin bride. This isn’t about fairness, it’s about keeping women accountable and not men.

do u even know why men want virgins in the first place? its to insure paternity. a virgin is a good reproductive bet coz u know that she hasn't been or known to have been with multiple men and isn't promiscuous. a prostitute on the other hand is never a good reproductive bet but satisfies a man's innate nature to want unlimited sex, since men can innately separate emotional investment from the sex act itself. which isn't the case for women unless conditioned to.

Yes, you’re correct. Now you angry men who have realized that they’re undesirable in every way be it personality, attitude, looks but in a world in which women need men for survival, there will be a miskeen women who will sleep with him and stay with him just to live.

no such thing as miskeen woman. there are just women and their nature. humans have always needed each other coz they are complementary to each other. men needed women for sex and reproduction and women needed men for the 3 P's. provision, protection and parental investment. all women need a man to live not just "miskeen" women. thats a way of you disqualifying your own reproductive strategy as a woman which doesn't make sense. what u meant to say is she settled for him. nOTHING WRONG.

 

[Angelina]

a woman at any period of pregnancy can decide she doesn't want the child and abort it without the consent of the father but a guy will have to pay child support for 18 years for a kid he never wanted. He can even get cucked and still provide for a kid he didn't sire no questions asked. responsibility no authority.

Not really, there are various ways for a man to get out of child support. Lol, the average woman literally gets like 30 dollars month!

do u even know why men want virgins in the first place? its to insure paternity. a virgin is a good reproductive bet coz u know that she hasn't been or known to have been with multiple men and isn't promiscuous. a prostitute on the other hand is never a good reproductive bet but satisfies a man's innate nature to want unlimited sex, since men can innately separate emotional investment from the sex act itself. which isn't the case for women unless conditioned to.

My point is, there wasn't accountability for men in history and there still isn't. Men not being able to get pregnant doesn't negate the fact that many of their visits to prostitutes and women with bad reps would and could result in syphilis and other STIs. Many wives and unborn babies would be condemned to a life of diseases and madness. Male promiscuity destroys society as well, yet there were and are no consequences. Again, you want to hold women accountable, but not men.

no such thing as miskeen woman. there are just women and their nature. humans have always needed each other coz they are complementary to each other. men needed women for sex and reproduction and women needed men for the 3 P's. provision, protection and parental investment. all women need a man to live not just "miskeen" women. thats a way of you disqualifying your own reproductive strategy as a woman which doesn't make sense. what u meant to say is she settled for him. nOTHING WRONG.

Yes, a woman is miskeen if she has to put with a man who does not have any redeeming qualities apart from being able to provide. That is my point. Any woman can give you children, even one you find replusive. Being forced in that situation would obviously be difficult.

 

[AllStarSaciid]

Not really, there are various ways for a man to get out of child support. Lol, the average woman literally gets like 30 dollars month!

My point is, there wasn't accountability for men in history and there still isn't. Men not being able to get pregnant doesn't negate the fact that many of their visits to prostitutes and women with bad reps would and could result in syphilis and other STIs. Many wives and unborn babies would be condemned to a life of diseases and madness. Male promiscuity destroys society as well, yet there were and are no consequences. Again, you want to hold women accountable, but not men.

Yes, a woman is miskeen if she has to put with a man who does not have any redeeming qualities apart from being able to provide. That is my point. Any woman can give you children, even one you find replusive. Being forced in that situation would obviously be difficult.

in the past,

NO FEMINISM.
NO HORMONAL BIRTH CONTROL.
NO ABORTION.

these three lead to destruction of society and its only getting worse.

 

[Angelina]

in the past,

NO FEMINISM.
NO HORMONAL BIRTH CONTROL.
NO ABORTION.

these three lead to destruction of society and its only getting worse.

Funny, men like you glorify the past but wouldn't be able to live in the past for more than a day.

Life expectancy of 45
Warfare
Mass single men
Dying of the common cold.

 

[Bebsi]

Wisdom behind gender wars/hate for opposite gender.​

It’s a mixture of people with no time on their hands and people looking for drama.

From a Somali perspective for the men, it’s young guys who haven’t got married yet who have no time on their hands. Or older men who got no game and don’t know/want to go back to Somalia for a miskeen wife.

For the young girls it’s hatred of being forced to stay home and seeing there brothers freedom to go out and about whenever they want. Engaging in gender wars is there way to let out their frustrations. For the older females it’s the ones who went through a divorce or are the the second, third or fourth wife.

 

[Omar del Sur]

As I said some people have no choice, unless u want u and ur wife to be homeless?

if you can't provide a place to stay, you can wait on getting married. that's not 200k mehr we're talking about.

 

[Bundasliga]

if you can't provide a place to stay, you can wait on getting married. that's not 200k mehr we're talking about.

Are you married?

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Do y’all see the gender wars having any after effects in our community especially with the younger generations ?

 

[Omar del Sur]

Are you married?

No comment because I keep my personal stuff to myself but I can say wallahi I am not remotely an incel.

 

[Bundasliga]

No comment because I keep my personal stuff to myself but I can say wallahi I am not remotely an incel.

Interesting

 

[Taij4an]

its to insure paternity.

not for me
you dont speak for all men just shut up

 

[Taij4an]

Life expectancy of 45

to be fair the life expectancy would be around 60/70s but most would die before age of 10 so they average out the life expectancy and get an average of 30
so u either die young or live old

 

[Taij4an]

Dying of the common cold.

people dont die from a common cold