Will war with Ukraine 🇺🇦 be the end of Russia 🇷🇺

[Nilotic]

That’s what I mean by Hitler’s horrible military tactics. He was outside Moscow with over 3 million soldiers and did not expect the USSR to use this to their advantage.

It is also reported by numerous historians that Hitler refused military counsel from his generals on numerous occasions, who probably would’ve advised him about this.

When you have the largest military mobilisation in history and outside the capital, any loss is due to the incompetence of the invader not the brilliance of the defender.

The very Generals that tried to recast themselves as brilliant men that were unfortunately bridled by the irrational and maniacal decisions of Hitler... were the very same ones that wholeheartedly believed that the Soviets could be knocked out relatively easily -- without any regard for the fact that the Soviet industrial power was outside the reach of all their assets and platforms.


Hitler actually took counsel from his Generals on most occasions, but this doesn't gel with the ahistorical, revisionist narrative that the failed German Generals actively pushed after the war.

There were multiple occasions that Hitler’s Generals were wrong and he was right in strategic and tactical terms.

 

[Periplus]

The very Generals that tried to recast themselves as brilliant men that were unfortunately bridled by the irrational and maniacal decisions of Hitler... were the very same ones that wholeheartedly believed that the Soviets could be knocked out relatively easily -- without any regard for the fact that the Soviet industrial power was outside the reach of all their assets and platforms.


Hitler actually took counsel from his Generals on most occasions, but this doesn't gel with the ahistorical, revisionist narrative that the failed German Generals actively pushed after the war.

There were multiple occasions that Hitler’s Generals were wrong and he was right in strategic and tactical terms.

Interesting take.

So would you say that there was no possibility of the Nazis beating the USSR.

I agree that the USSR was tactically superior but Germany should’ve won with the sheer numbers they had and their proximity to Moscow.

 

[Nilotic]

Interesting take.

So would you say that there was no possibility of the Nazis beating the USSR.

I agree that the USSR was tactically superior but Germany should’ve won with the sheer numbers they had and their proximity to Moscow.

Yes, I don't think that Germany ever stood a chance against the Soviet Union; Germany only appeared capable of defeating the Soviets due to Stalin's unwillingness to accept and action intelligence reports about an impending Nazi invasion...

..Stalin thought his intelligence operatives were fear-mongering; he dismissed British intelligence reports as a Capitalist ploy to draw them into a trap; he imprisoned German Communist defectors that provided invaluable intel on operation Barbarossa; and he had a mental break-down that lasted for weeks -- totally crippling the response of Soviet Generals that were terrified of initiating actions without his approval.

 

[Hargeysa]

Interesting take.

So would you say that there was no possibility of the Nazis beating the USSR.

I agree that the USSR was tactically superior but Germany should’ve won with the sheer numbers they had and their proximity to Moscow.

It was the other way around imo.

The Soviets suffered a far greater death toll than the Nazis did. Some 10-11 million Soviet soldiers died, whereas ~6-7 million Nazis died on both the Eastern and Western front.

A famous example is the battle of Kursk, which ended the Nazis' dreams of conquering the Soviet union. The Germans won the tactical battle - and 800k Soviets were killed (vs only 200k Germans), but the Soviets stopped the Nazis from advancing.

The Soviets easily had the biggest death toll in WW2. Link is from wiki, but other sources suggest similar figures:

Even if the Nazis took Moscow, I think it would've been temporary.

Sidenote: Stalin deserves credit for moving factories and industry from front lines to further east, so their supply lines couldn't be cut by Nazis.

 

[King Khufu]

Russia going in like:

 

[OffTheDome]

Ukraine is not apart of NATO. So if they’re invaded we will not defend them, respectfully.

 

[KobeBryant]

Ukraine is not apart of NATO. So if they’re invaded we will not defend them, respectfully.

Let those alcoholic white boys fight each other none of America’s concern.

 

[OffTheDome]

Let those alcoholic white boys fight each other none of America’s concern.

Imagine if the US left NATO. Europe would be done for. They rely on us too much for protection