WILL OIL SAVE SOMALIA?

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
Somalia and especially Somali industry needs electricity more than anything else.

Sick of hearing about oil reserves when it's at least a decade away and in an age of cheaper electric vehicles.

How much of that oil would be used to power Somali industry?

100% of it would be exported and we'd be forced to import refined fuel to power our used cars and non existent factories just like Nigeria.

First law of economics:


The more power you have, the more work you can produce.

energy-and-gdp-shop-pro2.jpg


Give us cheap power and we'd be able to refine cheap ores into metals and then finished goods we could export.

I'm not an expert in economics but it's seem pretty obvious to me that the biggest resources of value we have in Somalia are it's manpower and the ores we have under our feet.

However, in order to use them we'd need a lot of power to turn them into useful economic work.

Millions of ton of bauxite under our feet is worth nothing if we don't have the power to turn it into aluminum.

If we don't have the power then we'd be forced to spend foreign currency to import it and steel, cement and etc.

However to get foreign currency we'd need to sell our raw resources for cheap.

The more we want to develop our country; the more we need to sell off to gain the foreign currency needed for it.

It would be a endless sinkhole of selling anything of real value in return for foreign currency.

However, with cheap electricity we could flip that sinkhole around and start gaining value like most first world countries.

Turn those millions of tons of bauxite into finished goods worth tens of billions instead of the cents we'd sell them for.

Question is what would be the best way to generate a lot of power in Somalia quickly?

Here are our options:

  1. Solar
  2. Thermal Power Plant (coal, diesel, natural gas)
  3. Wind

Solar

Solar is out of the picture because we don't have the capacity to build it ourselves.

Importing it is too expensive & so are the batteries we need for it.

Sure, we could scrape together a solar panel factory with enough ingenuity but we won't be able to compete against the mega factories in China and Germany atm.

Thermal Power Plants

Thermal power plants take too long to build and we'd need to spend foreign currency to bring in the skills to build an efficient plant.

We'd have to keep spending foreign currency for fuel and to maintain it.

So that's a no as well.

The only option available is to build wind turbines domestically.

Wind Power


We have most the materials needed available in Somalia and the biggest costs are manpower.

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The biggest plus is that we don't need to import any fuel and hence save on our foreign currency reserves.

Also, it's super scalable and could reach all our towns and villages without the need for thousands of miles of transmission infrastructure.

A single small wind turbine could power a village and ten large turbines could power a small town.

80% of Somalis live in small towns/villages and won't move to bigger towns anytime soon (resources they need aren't in large cities).

Large coal plants would only be viable in the largest cities... So no development in most of the country.

Wind turbines costs around a million USD per MW and they're getting cheaper due to automation and better materials.

Wind-Power-Cost-per-Kwh1.jpg


That's comparable to most other thermal power plants but provides much more flexibility and we'd save on fuel costs.

Intermittence and storage issues could easily get solved cheaply.

Even if we build it inefficiently at 2 million USD per MW we'd still be able to produce it profitably.

A 5 million USD 5 MW turbine would produce around 20 GWh of power per year.

At $0.10/kWh "African" industrial rates it could bring in over 30% returns per year for it's investors.

30% annual returns is pretty hard to find

That same turbine could produce 20 million USD in economic output as well... Producing decent incomes for thousands of Somalis.

Since we don't do savings or bonds; these would be the best ways for Somali households to save & grow money...

This is how wealth gets built.

100,000 Somalis investing 10k could bring in over 1 GWh of capacity and train & hire 10's of thousands of Somalis in high tech fields.

1 GWh of power could power an economic output of over 30 billion USD and in turn provide incomes for millions of Somalis directly or indirectly.


Not to mention the FDI and further Somali investors that would come pouring in to the only country in East Africa able to quickly scale it's power capacity up.

We don't even need government funds for this (Somali or foreign).

Just someone to fund the initial research on how to build wind turbines economically using domestic resources and how to scale up production of it to hundreds per year.

After that, build a small factory and produce a small amount to proof to Somali investors that it's actually viable.

Government guarantees could help here to ensure investors don't get 100% screwed but the best thing they could do is to create basic contract laws.

Producing our own power is the only way we'll be able to build a strong economy.

Let me know if there's a better and faster way to increase our electricity generation capacity to GWs.

Don't see the world Bank or Europe giving us billions for this and Somali investors won't invest in a single large power plant project.

However, I could easily see them invest in smaller projects to power their own clan fiefdoms or specific factories.

Let's not forget the wind potential we have in Somalia:

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All I see hundreds of billions of dollars in cheap power.

If we could make proper use of this we could easily become Africa's manufacturing capital.

This plan could have us produce billions of dollars in value before the first gallon of oil gets exported out of Somalia.

Global funds and investors are dying for projects like this and we could easily kick-start this with Somali money.
 
First, how much of that oil can Somalia utilise for it’s domestic needs, we know European firms will own the oil, what percentage did they agree to give to the two tiers of governments both federal and state and finally, did they own all the oil till it dries up? The devil is in the details on these contracts they will sign.
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
First, how much of that oil can Somalia utilise for it’s domestic needs, we know European firms will own the oil, what percentage did they agree to give to the two tiers of governments both federal and state and finally, did they own all the oil till it dries up? The devil is in the details on these contracts they will sign.


They'll probably control the distribution rights so we'd have to buy it from them at market rates and the gov gets a cut in royalties.

Even if that isn't the case; I doubt the government would invest in refineries nor do I see private investors taking it on for multiple reasons.

Just look at Nigeria. Huge market but no high quality refineries.

There's definitely a valid reason for that (they can't compete in price or variety of imported refined products).

We might be able to get the natural gas byproduct for cheap but that's still a decade away and hundreds of millions of dollars in pipelines and more in powerplants which take 5 years on average to build.

Wind is our only saviour sxb
 
First, how much of that oil can Somalia utilise for it’s domestic needs, we know European firms will own the oil, what percentage did they agree to give to the two tiers of governments both federal and state and finally, did they own all the oil till it dries up? The devil is in the details on these contracts they will sign.

between 50- 66% according to the presentation in london on the 7th of feb
 

repo

Bantu Liberation Movement
VIP
between 50- 66% according to the presentation in london on the 7th of feb
Is it on paper?

Here's my take. If Somalia does get oil it is important that they invest in solar and wind energy. We have an extremely low population and a huge country so by urbanising the country into population centres it will be easier to create independent grids. There's no way Somalia will have a central grid due to its size. It is also important to meet current demands so the existing refinery in the south should be repaired and expanded to meet such demands. There's no way we can't be a surplus energy nation.
 
Somalia and especially Somali industry needs electricity more than anything else.

Sick of hearing about oil reserves when it's at least a decade away and in an age of cheaper electric vehicles.

How much of that oil would be used to power Somali industry?

100% of it would be exported and we'd be forced to import refined fuel to power our used cars and non existent factories just like Nigeria.

First law of economics:


The more power you have, the more work you can produce.

energy-and-gdp-shop-pro2.jpg


Give us cheap power and we'd be able to refine cheap ores into metals and then finished goods we could export.

I'm not an expert in economics but it's seem pretty obvious to me that the biggest resources of value we have in Somalia are it's manpower and the ores we have under our feet.

However, in order to use them we'd need a lot of power to turn them into useful economic work.

Millions of ton of bauxite under our feet is worth nothing if we don't have the power to turn it into aluminum.

If we don't have the power then we'd be forced to spend foreign currency to import it and steel, cement and etc.

However to get foreign currency we'd need to sell our raw resources for cheap.

The more we want to develop our country; the more we need to sell off to gain the foreign currency needed for it.

It would be a endless sinkhole of selling anything of real value in return for foreign currency.

However, with cheap electricity we could flip that sinkhole around and start gaining value like most first world countries.

Turn those millions of tons of bauxite into finished goods worth tens of billions instead of the cents we'd sell them for.

Question is what would be the best way to generate a lot of power in Somalia quickly?

Here are our options:

  1. Solar
  2. Thermal Power Plant (coal, diesel, natural gas)
  3. Wind

Solar

Solar is out of the picture because we don't have the capacity to build it ourselves.

Importing it is too expensive & so are the batteries we need for it.

Sure, we could scrape together a solar panel factory with enough ingenuity but we won't be able to compete against the mega factories in China and Germany atm.

Thermal Power Plants

Thermal power plants take too long to build and we'd need to spend foreign currency to bring in the skills to build an efficient plant.

We'd have to keep spending foreign currency for fuel and to maintain it.

So that's a no as well.

The only option available is to build wind turbines domestically.

Wind Power


We have most the materials needed available in Somalia and the biggest costs are manpower.

comes-together.png


The biggest plus is that we don't need to import any fuel and hence save on our foreign currency reserves.

Also, it's super scalable and could reach all our towns and villages without the need for thousands of miles of transmission infrastructure.

A single small wind turbine could power a village and ten large turbines could power a small town.

80% of Somalis live in small towns/villages and won't move to bigger towns anytime soon (resources they need aren't in large cities).

Large coal plants would only be viable in the largest cities... So no development in most of the country.

Wind turbines costs around a million USD per MW and they're getting cheaper due to automation and better materials.

Wind-Power-Cost-per-Kwh1.jpg


That's comparable to most other thermal power plants but provides much more flexibility and we'd save on fuel costs.

Intermittence and storage issues could easily get solved cheaply.

Even if we build it inefficiently at 2 million USD per MW we'd still be able to produce it profitably.

A 5 million USD 5 MW turbine would produce around 20 GWh of power per year.

At $0.10/kWh "African" industrial rates it could bring in over 30% returns per year for it's investors.

30% annual returns is pretty hard to find

That same turbine could produce 20 million USD in economic output as well... Producing decent incomes for thousands of Somalis.

Since we don't do savings or bonds; these would be the best ways for Somali households to save & grow money...

This is how wealth gets built.

100,000 Somalis investing 10k could bring in over 1 GWh of capacity and train & hire 10's of thousands of Somalis in high tech fields.

1 GWh of power could power an economic output of over 30 billion USD and in turn provide incomes for millions of Somalis directly or indirectly.


Not to mention the FDI and further Somali investors that would come pouring in to the only country in East Africa able to quickly scale it's power capacity up.

We don't even need government funds for this (Somali or foreign).

Just someone to fund the initial research on how to build wind turbines economically using domestic resources and how to scale up production of it to hundreds per year.

After that, build a small factory and produce a small amount to proof to Somali investors that it's actually viable.

Government guarantees could help here to ensure investors don't get 100% screwed but the best thing they could do is to create basic contract laws.

Producing our own power is the only way we'll be able to build a strong economy.

Let me know if there's a better and faster way to increase our electricity generation capacity to GWs.

Don't see the world Bank or Europe giving us billions for this and Somali investors won't invest in a single large power plant project.

However, I could easily see them invest in smaller projects to power their own clan fiefdoms or specific factories.

Let's not forget the wind potential we have in Somalia:

Somalië.png


All I see hundreds of billions of dollars in cheap power.

If we could make proper use of this we could easily become Africa's manufacturing capital.

This plan could have us produce billions of dollars in value before the first gallon of oil gets exported out of Somalia.

Global funds and investors are dying for projects like this and we could easily kick-start this with Somali money.
Theres also wave energy. It makes use of the waves of the ocean
 

Crow

Make Hobyo Great Again
VIP
Energy is currently $1 per kwh in Xamar (5x higher than Kenya and 10x higher than USA) and as high as $3 elsewhere. It can goes as low as $0.02 in Ethiopia. This is definitely the biggest problem facing Somalia.
USAID said:
The current installed generation capacity is approximately 106 megawatts (MW). According to a recent study by the African Development Bank, Somalia has the highest resource potential of any African nation for onshore wind power and could generate between 30,000 to 45,000 MW. Solar power could potentially generate an excess of 2,000 kWh/m^2.
https://www.usaid.gov/powerafrica/wherewework/somalia

Subhanallah! We have an astronomical amount of potential energy that we could harvest for ourselves and export.
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
Energy is currently $1 per kwh in Xamar (5x higher than Kenya and 10x higher than USA) and as high as $3 elsewhere. It can goes as low as $0.02 in Ethiopia. This is definitely the biggest problem facing Somalia.

https://www.usaid.gov/powerafrica/wherewework/somalia

Subhanallah! We have an astronomical amount of potential energy that we could harvest for ourselves and export.

Price comes down to economies of scale and distance to power plant.

We'd need to invest billions if we want to reach global competitive rates ($0.05 per kwh).

Otherwise we won't be able to compete with other large manufacturing countries and end up importing their products.

The choice here is to:

  1. Spend those billions on a couple of large plants that cover one or two cities.
  2. Or distribute it across thousand of wind turbines and power every corner of the country.
If the gov only had a hundred million to spend for a large power plant; where would it go? Xamar?
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
45megawatts is 45 million watts. An american house uses 7k watts. This is enough for 6.4 thousands homes.

That's what Somali households will need; mainly to power the AC.

However Somali households can wait.

How are they going to afford $50+ in monthly electricity bills when the GDP per capita is $2.50?

Let's focus on industry first.

45 MW in capacity could power a hundred small factories each employing hundreds of Somalis.

Only after generating jobs will there be a demand for 7 kWh/household.
 

Arma

GRAND Wizard of MJ SIXIIR
VIP
Yes if course it will. If used correctly and wealth distributed fairly, then all Somalis will live like kings.
 

Arma

GRAND Wizard of MJ SIXIIR
VIP
I envy your optimism.

But, when I say "if", that's a very big "if ". Our leaders are corrupt asf. It's the same all over Somaliweyn, from NDF in Kenya, K5, Somaliland, Puntland, Xamar, and Jubbaland. All rotten to the core. I have zero confidence in them whatsoever. That also includes the PL leadership.
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
But, when I say "if", that's a very big "if ". Our leaders are corrupt asf. It's the same all over Somaliweyn, from NDF in Kenya, K5, Somaliland, Puntland, Xamar, and Jubbaland. All rotten to the core. I have zero confidence in them whatsoever. That also includes the PL leadership.

Somali corruption is a given but you can always depend on the global oil market's greed.

OPEC would never allow us to sell more than a couple million barrels a day even if we find as much oil as Saudi Arabia.

That's only 15 billion USD for the government coffers annually.

Might seem like a lot but by then our current youth demographic who need skills and training now have already grown old (25+ are hard to re-train).

That's potentially another lost generation.

While waiting for oil come in why not build our own wind turbines now using the resources in Somalia?

This is just one idea but I'm sure we could figure out other methods to rapidly increase our productivity without billions of dollars in foreign currency.
 

repo

Bantu Liberation Movement
VIP
Historic Somali wind industry

"A successful innovation was the completion of a wind energy utilization project. Four wind turbines, each rated at 50 kilowatts, were embedded in the Mogadishu electrical grid. In 1988 these turbines produced 699,420 kilowatt hours of energy. Total electric energy produced in 1988, the latest year for which figures were available in early 1992, was 257 million kilowatt hours. Five self-contained wind energy conversion systems in rural centers also were planned, but as of May 1992 there was no information that these had been built."
 

Ras

It's all so tiresome
VIP
Somalia would benefit from clean coal power plants in order to provide affordable electricity to all of its citizens.

We'd have to import the coal since we don't have our own yet.

Importing the energy you use to power your economy is something I'd rather avoid.

Also can you build a coal power plant in every gobol?


Transmission lines can only go so far.
 
The price of wind keeps falling and at the end of this year wind will be cheaper than coal and natural gas in pretty much all of the world, and in the U.S. it will be so without any tax subsidy at all. Despite this wind retains on if the majors grievance against renewable, in efficiency

Wind ordinary situations is inherently too unreliable to power a nations grids, coal hydro and nuclear being the mainstays, whilst solar and wind are used as auxiliaries. To this day steel production and other heavy industries still depend on coal. Somalia’s potential to generate might be extra-ordinary, and I’m hopeful of it but without looking at this through the rose tinted lens of clean and cheap renewable energy, is it feasible ?

In theory adding lots of wind and solar to a grid will reduce prices because wind and sometimes solar can sell electricity at a low price.

In actuality, is there actual evidence that a grid that adds significant amounts of solar and wind (above a certain percentage) consistently results in a medium long term decrease in electricity prices once all other factors like inflation are corrected for
 
Somali leaders are corrupt. They’ll probably take all the oil for themselves or create petty disputes. I’m not that confident that “they will save Somalia.” If it’s used correctly then yes.
 
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