Why Yemen is Dying & Oman is Booming: The Economic dichotomy between two related neighbors.

[Idilinaa]

Yemen has been a poor country since it's inception and in recent times has plummeted to the very bottom and has the 5th lowest HDI. Poverty rate of 82.7 percent, Literacy rate of 54 percent. Nom GDP per capita of 608 USD. In contrast Oman has the 54th highest HDI , poverty rate of 10 percent, Literacy rate of 95 percent. Nom GDP per capita of 23,240.897 USD

What creates these differences?
- Colonial and imperial history : Yemen has a legacy of colonialism, divided rule and foreign interference that created sectarian divisions contributing to civil strife

- Political Leadership: Due to it's legacy it fostered a corrupt leadership in Yemen which stole from the countries wealth and diverted it for personal/private use and saw other Yemeni's at political enemies. Unlike Oman's leadership who re-invested the countries resources and wealth and distributed it to benefit the citizens. Omans government was more democratic and inclusive and saw every Omani as equal regardless of stripe.

- Economic crippling industry: Yemen uses it scarce agriculture and water resources to produce Khat drug away from its traditional cash crops like fruit or coffee. Unlike Oman's leadership who diversified the economy away from oil and gas to open up other sectors (while omanizing the gas & oil sector) and outlawed khat and uses it's scarce agriculture/water resources responsibly.

I have seen people make a big deal out of the culture, Gegraphy/Climate, Tribal culture, the IQ intelligence of a people to explain disparities between stability and wealth you see between nations. When in reality the main difference between the state of a country is the leadership/governance and the economic policies they undertake.

Take for example Oman hosts similar demographic and tribal structure as in Yemen, with the same Yemeni Mahra clan and even the Darod Somali clan from it's other regionally poor distraught neighbor Somalia being represented in the political leadership and economic structure. Culturally similar as well. Which renders such explanations insufficient. Yemen v Oman is just 1 example, you can find other dichotomous examples like Taiwan v China, North v South Korea , East v West Germany etc

 

[Fisherman 75]

Oman was run by a non corrupt Monarch who actually cared about its citizens and the states development whilst Yemen was a republic run by a corrupt and incompetent president.

@Abaq was cooking when they stated Somalia should be split into 5 mini monarchies under one big unitary country similar to the UAE. Tribal problems should be worked around rather than attempting to ignore the elephant in the room. At least then Somalis would compete with each other when it comes to development in a healthy manner

 

[galhareeri]

Oman was run by a non corrupt Monarch who actually cared about its citizens and the states development whilst Yemen was a republic run by a corrupt and incompetent president.

@Abaq was cooking when they stated Somalia should be split into 5 mini monarchies under one big unitary country similar to the UAE. Tribal problems should be worked around rather than attempting to ignore the elephant in the room. At least then Somalis would compete with each other when it comes to development in a healthy manner

What is there to compete against each other kkkk.
As average somalis in somalia cares about competetion with other clans. Dude nobody cares about that . I get it u are just diapora kid u have no idea about what hapens here.
The average person cares mainly puting food on the table. Imo only that

 

[Fisherman 75]

What is there to compete against each other kkkk.
As average somalis in somalia cares about competetion with other clans. Dude nobody cares about that . I get it u are just diapora kid u have no idea about what hapens here.
The average person cares mainly puting food on the table. Imo only that

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I’m talking about the politicians, academics, businessmen, elites or just anyone else who concerns themselves with these matters. Not the average citizen in a third world country. Of course they wouldn’t care about political system if they don’t have food on the table.

 

[The alchemist]

Yemen had a volatile modern political history while Oman had pretty tame king dynasties that only dealt with each other on minor grounds. The Omani royalty under conflict for power would mostly contain things within family feuds that did not spread to the general public, seen with the previous king as an example.

The complex political realities of Yemen with regions having different traditions later cemented into newer structures on top of tribes and religious powers made the region entrenched in much conflict. Things were so different that the South turned Socialist while the North kept its Arab state norm even during national secularization.

It does not even make sense to compare Yemen to Oman. It's more informational to learn about them independently since an ideal Yemen would not look like Yemen and a worse Oman would not look like Yemen.

 

[galhareeri]

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I’m talking about the politicians, academics, businessmen, elites or just anyone else who concerns themselves with these matters. Not the average citizen in a third world country. Of course they wouldn’t care about political system if they don’t have food on the table.

Tel me why should a somali businesman wil prefer disintegrated country with no central economic back of federal gvt . Every sane businesman wil want strong central gvt that ralies the economy and infastracture and educate highly skiled workers imo . Every sane businesman understand competion i mean real competition is in the flobal market somalis in somalia are too poor in world standard to generate enough revenue for their companies. Hence somali businesman wil focus on on export market.

 

[Idilinaa]

Oman was run by a non corrupt Monarch who actually cared about its citizens and the states development whilst Yemen was a republic run by a corrupt and incompetent president.

@Abaq was cooking when they stated Somalia should be split into 5 mini monarchies under one big unitary country similar to the UAE. Tribal problems should be worked around rather than attempting to ignore the elephant in the room. At least then Somalis would compete with each other when it comes to development in a healthy manner

Quite the opposite. If you guys payed attention to the video, Watch from @25:00 . You would have seen that Oman up until the 1970s was a medieval poor isolated backwater especially due to it's monarchy. The Monarchy outlawed all technological and social developments and the country's wealth was kept to the Sultan alone. The monarch was corrupt and incompetent.

Economically it was similar to Yemen back in those days, Oman was poor, destitute and underdeveloped. Had like 3 schools and one tiny paved road.

It was the revolutionary military coups and movements that removed it's monarch-al guard rails and revitalized the country and changed its trajectory. It actually operates more like a modern democratic government with leftist socialist policies than a traditional absolute monarchy. How did Oman become the vanguard of anti-colonial revolution in an Arabian Peninsula ruled by monarchies?

Nevertheless, Oman’s revolution and its revolutionaries created lasting legacies on multiple scales. One national legacy is the country’s welfare state. Although conventional narratives within and beyond Oman credit Sultan Qaboos for the country’s socioeconomic development, it was the revolutionaries who helped establish a developmentalist agenda. The counterinsurgency and the postwar government subsequently embraced that mandate

Its goals included the emancipation of women, enslaved people, and others who had been historically marginalized. Female and male guerrillas fought side by side, and girls and boys studied together in revolutionary schools. Whereas previously one’s social background had determined access to resources, the front’s redistribution efforts undermined tribalism.

The movement’s commitments to self-governance and popular participation informed its general republicanism and its program to establish popularly elected committees for local governance. Pursuing a socialist vision of modernization, the front promoted education and literacy for all as well as access to health care. Dhufari revolutionaries created new infrastructure projects, from roads and wells to farms

Somalia in many ways was headed in the same directional path in the 1970s after it's own revolutionary military coup, if it wasn't hindered in the end by it's colonial legacy and rampant foreign interference by imperialist nations set to undermine it.

 

[Idilinaa]

Instead of the outlandish suggestion of Somalia splitting into 5 mini monarchies.

Somalia and Yemen should mimic the decentralized approach of Oman.

Oman's governments structure is divided into a two tier decentralized structure of Governorates and Wilayats , under the Central State. These municipalities/local governments create higher efficiency, legitimacy and inclusion.
Power and Process: Decentralisation in Oman

Before the collapse in the 1990s, there was signs that Somalia was heading in the same direction as there was constant talks and drafting of decentralized options for Somalis since the 1960s:

It would have most likely devolved into this vision, if left uninterrupted. Kacaanka that took power in the 1970s was more geared towards taking back control from the neo-colonialists and revolutionizing policies to benefit the citizens than over-centralizing the state in the long run. The Historical Evolution of the Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party

This discussion and recommendation of decentralization continued in the first 10 years after the collapse until it was curtailed by foreign imperial entities, super imposing their own centralized options.

 

[Idilinaa]

It was the revolutionary military coups and movements that removed it's monarch-al guard rails and revitalized the country and changed its trajectory. It actually operates more like a modern democratic government with leftist socialist policies than a traditional absolute monarchy. How did Oman become the vanguard of anti-colonial revolution in an Arabian Peninsula ruled by monarchies?




Somalia in many ways was headed in the same directional path in the 1970s after it's own revolutionary military coup, if it wasn't hindered in the end by it's colonial legacy and rampant foreign interference by imperialist nations set to undermine it.

Someone sent me this after i made mentions of the socialist revolutionary movements in Oman's history. @Shimbiris @The alchemist @Fisherman 75 see this.

Apparently here is one of the prominent Dhofari revolutionary figures that helped change the Oman's trajectory against the corrupt and repressive monarch of Said Bin Timur.




The Dhofari rebellion was an extension and consequence of the South Yemen's revolution. It's an example of an enduring legacy.

 

[datesfrompuntland]

gonna marry one inshallah

 

[Step a side]

Population

Oman 4-5 million

Yemen 33-34 million

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

Yemen has been a poor country since it's inception and in recent times has plummeted to the very bottom and has the 5th lowest HDI. Poverty rate of 82.7 percent, Literacy rate of 54 percent. Nom GDP per capita of 608 USD. In contrast Oman has the 54th highest HDI , poverty rate of 10 percent, Literacy rate of 95 percent. Nom GDP per capita of 23,240.897 USD

What creates these differences?
- Colonial and imperial history : Yemen has a legacy of colonialism, divided rule and foreign interference that created sectarian divisions contributing to civil strife

- Political Leadership: Due to it's legacy it fostered a corrupt leadership in Yemen which stole from the countries wealth and diverted it for personal/private use and saw other Yemeni's at political enemies. Unlike Oman's leadership who re-invested the countries resources and wealth and distributed it to benefit the citizens. Omans government was more democratic and inclusive and saw every Omani as equal regardless of stripe.

- Economic crippling industry: Yemen uses it scarce agriculture and water resources to produce Khat drug away from its traditional cash crops like fruit or coffee. Unlike Oman's leadership who diversified the economy away from oil and gas to open up other sectors (while omanizing the gas & oil sector) and outlawed khat and uses it's scarce agriculture/water resources responsibly.

I have seen people make a big deal out of the culture, Gegraphy/Climate, Tribal culture, the IQ intelligence of a people to explain disparities between stability and wealth you see between nations. When in reality the main difference between the state of a country is the leadership/governance and the economic policies they undertake.

Take for example Oman hosts similar demographic and tribal structure as in Yemen, with the same Yemeni Mahra clan and even the Darod Somali clan from it's other regionally poor distraught neighbor Somalia being represented in the political leadership and economic structure. Culturally similar as well. Which renders such explanations insufficient. Yemen v Oman is just 1 example, you can find other dichotomous examples like Taiwan v China, North v South Korea , East v West Germany etc

Somalia is worse than Yemen

 

[Omar del Sur]

ok but what baffles me about Oman... aren't they the khawarij?? but you never hear about them doing khawarij things... they are khawarij who've gone peaceful? I've never understood this about Oman.

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

ok but what baffles me about Oman... aren't they the khawarij?? but you never hear about them doing khawarij things... they are khawarij who've gone peaceful? I've never understood this about Oman.

They are unproblematic, Ibadis are the closest sect to Sunnis. The Sunni world has no problems with them as they don't bother exporting their sect unlike Iran. Besides 45% of Omanis are Sunnis , and the other 45% being Ibadis and 5% Shia

 

[Omar del Sur]

They are unproblematic, Ibadis are the closest sect to Sunnis

I don't know much about them but I believe they are khawarij



see, Sheikh Fawzan says they are khawarij... and not just him, I think it's generally agreed that they literally are a sect from the khawarij like Sheikh Fawzan said... but somehow they've managed to be somewhat peaceful it seems... this is what baffles me

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

I don't know much about them but I believe they are khawarij



see, Sheikh Fawzan says they are khawarij... and not just him, I think it's generally agreed that they literally are a sect from the khawarij like Sheikh Fawzan said... but somehow they've managed to be somewhat peaceful it seems... this is what baffles me

If only Iran and Shia zealots could be like Oman.


These niggas keep exporting their shia dacwa to Somalia

 

[Omar del Sur]

If only Iran and Shia zealots could be like Oman.


These niggas keep exporting their shia dacwa to Somalia

but are people really buying it? I have never heard of a Somali Shia... but I have seen they have a whole Khomeini-loving shia group in Nigeria thanks to Iran "dawah"

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

I don't know much about them but I believe they are khawarij



see, Sheikh Fawzan says they are khawarij... and not just him, I think it's generally agreed that they literally are a sect from the khawarij like Sheikh Fawzan said... but somehow they've managed to be somewhat peaceful it seems... this is what baffles me

Well I mean Al Saud's 'Ikhwan' were literally khawarij too so I guess people can calm down in time

 

[Idilinaa]

Somalia is worse than Yemen

Yes lets compete in who is the bigger dumpster pile.

Spoiler: It's still a dumpster pile

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

but are people really buying it? I have never heard of a Somali Shia... but I have seen they have a whole Khomeini-loving shia group in Nigeria thanks to Iran "dawah"

Every few years i hear about police arresting some shia dawah man


I don't think that Somalis will ever become shia , 1 or 2 might convert to shirk but then thats a whole bloodline worth of shias