Why we need a secular constitution

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  1. Thegoodshepherd

    Thegoodshepherd Galadi iyo Garacad dhexdood

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    A majority of Somalis hold views that are not much different from this man's. If I was in charge of writing the new constitution, I would not mention religion in there at all. Any declaration of an official state religion will invite more demands from the likes of this man, best to take that clause out of the document altogether.
     
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  2. Armadillo

    Armadillo A FATHER / A HUSBAND/ A PUNTITE

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    Oh piss the f*ck off
     
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  3. ArchBishopofAtheism

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    What? You want a religion based constitution? Why? You won't have the rights you enjoy today in the west. No habeas corpus. No presumption of innocence in trials. No cross examination of witnesses, so 4 random fuckwits can accuse you of something. A secular constitution that guarantees rights is what is needed.
     
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    Jesus! You know you're in a horrible situation when Sheekh Xassan seriously. Imagine how much better off we would be if this guy was treated as the laughing stock he is. Imagine how much betteroff we'd be if "llaahay ba xaqqa leh" was not a sentence that was taken as a universal truth. What if people just questioned that and were able to disagree and speak their minds. We would be leagues better.
     
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  5. RasCanjero-

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    We should allow for states or regions to pick their own Shariah/secularism balance.

    Even if we had a nation wide Shariah based Constitution; there would be disagreements on which school or even sect to follow.
     
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    The current constitution declares Somalia to be a Muslim country and prohibits construction of new churches, propagation of religions other than Islam, and the rebuilding of decaying churches, perfectly in line with sharia. Imagine if the roles were reversed and Canada declares itself a Christian state, prohibits building of mosques or the propagation of Islam. Imagine the uproar. Why do you hold yourselves to a lower standard? Why do you "understand" it when Somalia does it but hold Canada to a higher standard? This is so sad.
     
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  7. Thegoodshepherd

    Thegoodshepherd Galadi iyo Garacad dhexdood

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    You cannot have religious law as the basis of a modern state, it will not work. You can have a religious state, but not an open multiparty democracy.

    I want people in Somalia to have the same legal rights I have here in America, and that is not possible if we have religious law in place.
     
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    It all ties into the mass stupidity and short sightedness that got us (and the rest of the Muslim/African world) in the mess we are in today. People can't think two steps ahead and go with what makes them feel good. There's no logical or reasoning involved. They can't see that declaring yourself a Muslim state but demanding the west not "discriminate" don't go together.
     
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  9. mrcool

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    We should definitely seperate religion from state. Turkey for example has a secular constitution, with no official state religion.
     
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  10. lone

    lone You can't run faster than a bullet.(AL HAJI AMIN)

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    It would propel the entire nation to prosperity.
     
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  11. Thegoodshepherd

    Thegoodshepherd Galadi iyo Garacad dhexdood

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    I know that declaring the country secular, full stop, is a bit of a reach. But the current situation where we pretend to be applying religious law breeds contempt for our hypocrisy. No Somali region enforces hand chopping or stoning adulterers, yet they all claim to be implementing the sharia. This hypocrisy breeds anger in those who want a theocracy, and leads them to violence. It is much better to rip off the bandaid and declare that this is a secular state, and that religion will have no role to play in the crafting of law.
     
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  12. ArchBishopofAtheism

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    In Somali circles, any mention of sharia or sharia law can only be a good thing. It's difficult to make the case to separate religion and state. It's seen as an attack on their faith. After all why would you want to take Islam out of the picture? Right? It's a nation of 10 million autistic 8 year old schizophrenics who've been taught one thing and can't process anything else. Secularism is on the rise and there comes a point where enough young people had enough and violently impose secularism. I can't wait for that.
     
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  13. mrcool

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    I'd look at Syria as an example. Most citizens there do not want Sharia law but they also don't want a dictator that gasses them, democracy basically. Somalis could learn from Turkey who are 99% Muslim yet seperated religion and state.
     
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  14. Cognitivedissonance

    Cognitivedissonance Love 4 All hate 4 none

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    You're clearly a gaal nacaala iyo waxa tahay ba waas:pacspit:
     
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    Shariah is the only way forward for Somalia shariah is the remedy for all our ills shariah is integral Islam is somalinimo without Islam there's no somalinimo islamnimo is somalinimo that's why we don't call Somali apostates Somali we refer to them as gaalo.
     
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