Why was farmajo so pro-Ethiopian

[GaradShabeel]

For someone like Paul Kagame to arise, all corrupt politicians and dissidents have to be killed as soon this Kagame-like figure takes power. Paul Kagame is Isaias Afwerki without sanctions, he has arrested, killed and exiled most of his opposition. Kagame is a smart guy and knows how to use the west to his benefit without causing too much attention to be focus on what he's done. He also spends money lobbying western politicians for his nations benefit.

Kagame reminds me of a benevolent dictator like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore who transformed his Singapore with FORCE from a third world colonized country with ethnic and religious tensions into one of the best countries on earth. This why I think the western version of "democracy" does not work in Somalia or for Somalis. You need someone who will mobilize and do ANYTHING that is needed to fix Somalia and make it into a independent sovereign state, free of UAE and Ethiopian influence.

You're right now that I think about it, especially in developing East Asian countries. Such as South Korea's military leader Park Chung-Hee, who ruled during their peak economic transformation years. Taiwan was also a dictatorship until 90s, with martial law between '49-'87! Likewise Brunei, the rich micro-nation. Technically even in Middle East, with their respective absolute monarchies, active as we speak. Or rebuilding Eastern Europe post-WW2. The common denominator was having a robust, effective and unhindered governance.

I'm afraid we're past the stage of having a "strongman", to push through necessary development, during a short stint. That could have been done during the Kacaan years. But we had someone who sought after self enrichment and left his people to despair. Along with it, fragmenting the somewhat unity we had in the Somali society prior. Which lead to the country in ruin. Today, there are even rampant intra-clan distrusts, let alone on a national level.

Therefore does this approach, not suit us. We should instead aspire, a post-WW2 development direction, that we saw in western Europe through democracy. It may lead to a slow paced development period. But in my opinion, that's required to make sure that everyone is onboard as we are going through the state building process. And ensure mechanisms, that will never take us back to past misstakes.

 

[GemState]

For someone like Paul Kagame to arise, all corrupt politicians and dissidents have to be killed as soon this Kagame-like figure takes power. Paul Kagame is Isaias Afwerki without sanctions, he has arrested, killed and exiled most of his opposition. Kagame is a smart guy and knows how to use the west to his benefit without causing too much attention to be focus on what he's done. He also spends money lobbying western politicians for his nations benefit.

Kagame reminds me of a benevolent dictator like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore who transformed his Singapore with FORCE from a third world colonized country with ethnic and religious tensions into one of the best countries on earth. This why I think the western version of "democracy" does not work in Somalia or for Somalis. You need someone who will mobilize and do ANYTHING that is needed to fix Somalia and make it into a independent sovereign state, free of UAE and Ethiopian influence.

Rwanda isn't even close to being the most successful African state outside of southern Africa. Ghana, Gabon, Uganda, Cameroon, Tanzania, Kenya, Ivory Coast, Congo-Brazzaville, Zambia, etc all have higher populations yet a higher HDIs, GDPs and GDP per capita. Rwanda is the biggest myth on the continent, the only reason news around Rwanda is so positive is because it's the West local goon in central Africa. It ensures that their militias run the mines in Congo.

LKY transforming Singapore singe-handedly is another myth. Singapore is 733.1 km2 and the location of the island, just suspended in the Malacca Strait that guarantees the control on 40% of global trading. Places like Singapore, Hong Kong, Luxembourg etc they are trading cities sitting next to massive countries. Cities are in general wealthier than the countryside. If Mumbai and Shanghai were counted as independent countries, they have a higher GDP than Singapore and Hong Kong compressed in a comparable geographic area.

You could make 14y/o Trump King of Singapore in 1960 and it would still be a rich country as long as it had stability and a market economy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

For someone like Paul Kagame to arise, all corrupt politicians and dissidents have to be killed as soon this Kagame-like figure takes power. Paul Kagame is Isaias Afwerki without sanctions, he has arrested, killed and exiled most of his opposition. Kagame is a smart guy and knows how to use the west to his benefit without causing too much attention to be focus on what he's done. He also spends money lobbying western politicians for his nations benefit.

Kagame reminds me of a benevolent dictator like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore who transformed his Singapore with FORCE from a third world colonized country with ethnic and religious tensions into one of the best countries on earth. This why I think the western version of "democracy" does not work in Somalia or for Somalis. You need someone who will mobilize and do ANYTHING that is needed to fix Somalia and make it into a independent sovereign state, free of UAE and Ethiopian influence.

This theory of benevolent dictator is true and it has happened even tho they r in the minority when u look at the whole dictator list of the world, gadaffi, lee kuan yew, kagame, even meles wat he did are definitely not the 'norm' for dictator and more like 'exceptions'.

The other problem with the dictator model is it's totally against our culture to be ruled by force, it may work in the short-term but it's going to brew resentment n ultimately a conflict down the track, how long u can keep the nation going is a matter of time then with that model plus ur susceptible to foreign donors/arms supplier who can cut supply if ur not in their national interests like happened to siyad n russia.

The ultimate blow is the world applied an arms embargo so their is no tech edge for anyone which leaves the nation in a stalemate. The stalemate seems safer to the world, rather then just backing a horse and dumping money n weapons into it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState I think as puntites we need to encourage development n peace around our neck of the wood, we don't want to have all the nations on the gulf n red sea collapse or be poor, if they were rich n strong, they wud use our channel more and increase our strategic importance.

Dr Osman would fly out for PL to meet red sea n gulf of aden nations and create a pact of understanding for all of our survival interest. Would fly out to the continent, mid-east, europe, asia, america n preach peace n development and come and use our 'channel', we want you to be rich, it will increase our importance as a by-product and make u a key strategic partner to many countries and then investment ties will come as they can trust us now since they know we won't f*ck around n lose our importance in the trade world.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@GemState I don't want to be just 'trading' state as i've seen trading kingdoms in history they leave behind no history for their descendants, but I will use trading as a foundation for a 50 year plan on immediate industrialization of the economy in agriculture, manufacturing, construction, finance(banking loans for start up n residential loans for workers), service industry, mining.

I will bring in world class instructors to make us produce faster and have puntite experts watch the GDP clock as everyone gets measured every year their industry growth, stamp out african business practises, quality assurance to ensure ppl actually trust the goods so its not black market crap where u wasted ur investment and no-one cares to buy it in the world or locally.

Project management specialist is the first big hire i will do and tell them to meet our construction/infrastructure companies and teach them how do things properly n quickly with quality. Then send them to our business ppl to revamp their ancient practises to modern practises.

 

[anon2]

Rwanda isn't even close to being the most successful African state outside of southern Africa. Ghana, Gabon, Uganda, Cameroon, Tanzania, Kenya, Ivory Coast, Congo-Brazzaville, Zambia, etc all have higher populations yet a higher HDIs, GDPs and GDP per capita. Rwanda is the biggest myth on the continent, the only reason news around Rwanda is so positive is because it's the West local goon in central Africa. It ensures that their militias run the mines in Congo.

LKY transforming Singapore singe-handedly is another myth. Singapore is 733.1 km2 and the location of the island, just suspended in the Malacca Strait that guarantees the control on 40% of global trading. Places like Singapore, Hong Kong, Luxembourg etc they are trading cities sitting next to massive countries. Cities are in general wealthier than the countryside. If Mumbai and Shanghai were counted as independent countries, they have a higher GDP than Singapore and Hong Kong compressed in a comparable geographic area.

You could make 14y/o Trump King of Singapore in 1960 and it would still be a rich country as long as it had stability and a market economy.

I agree and disagree at the same time.

In terms of PPP and the size of Rwanda and resources (outside of what's stolen from the Congo) - Rwanda has done pretty well. I agree it's an image thing but again, I've stated this before. but GDP is just a number and is not an accurate measurement of how a country is doing, especially in the 3rd world.

Singapore did have an advantage by being a "trading" hub but it still took someone to set things in order, Singapore was able to go from an African tier country to surpassing most European countries due to it's leadership. IOG had the chance to do what LKY did but with Djibouti, he didn't, and many parts of Djibouti look worse than Somalia. It all starts with leadership, I agree that placement, resources etc can help determine the success of a country but there are many layers to this.

 

[anon2]

This theory of benevolent dictator is true and it has happened even tho they r in the minority when u look at the whole dictator list of the world, gadaffi, lee kuan yew, kagame, even meles wat he did are definitely not the 'norm' for dictator and more like 'exceptions'.

The other problem with the dictator model is it's totally against our culture to be ruled by force, it may work in the short-term but it's going to brew resentment n ultimately a conflict down the track, how long u can keep the nation going is a matter of time then with that model plus ur susceptible to foreign donors/arms supplier who can cut supply if ur not in their national interests like happened to siyad n russia.

The ultimate blow is the world applied an arms embargo so their is no tech edge for anyone which leaves the nation in a stalemate. The stalemate seems safer to the world, rather then just backing a horse and dumping money n weapons into it.

Excellent point Doctor. Somalis have never had a central leadership for a long time without collapse eventually happening but I feel like some "control" can happen as long Garcaads and "elders" are used to control groups. Normal "Democracy" can only work if everyone is on the same level. Somalis think in a group mindset, there is not individualism. Maybe if someone can build a model that's specific for Somalis which has no outside influence (Arabs, Habesha, Europeans, Africans etc) things can get moving.