OPINION WHY THE USA SHOULD NOT RECOGNIZE SOMALILAND

[Periplus]

Which means we are better than more than half of African countries. At least we have achieved something big , adigu ba,a iyo ta,a toona ma tihid . Somalia is always at the bottom of any good index. You are only associated with all kinds of bad reputation. You are shame to the Somali race .

More than half of African countries are dictatorships.

They’re not trying to be at the top.

You are last of every country/territory that is trying to do well on this list.

 

[Periplus]

@0117 waryah collect your cousin.

He’s claiming that SL is some human rights haven when we know that SL is no such thing.

It has universal suffrage but it isn’t a human rights haven compared to Somalia or any other African dictatorship.

That’s not an insult, many SLers on SSpot believe that is necessary.

 

[0117]

@0117 waryah collect your cousin.

He’s claiming that SL is some human rights haven when we know that SL is no such thing.

It has universal suffrage but it isn’t a human rights haven compared to Somalia or any other African dictatorship.

That’s not an insult, many SLers on SSpot believe that is necessary.

We have bots in all communities sxb
Human rights is a subjective matter in which there are violations of it even in first world countries but to say SL is a beacon is a farce and insult to those that are suffering from dubious detentions.

Most of those countries you mentioned that are above SL in terms of the ranking are only ahead by a couple of points and so it'll be interesting to see next year's report as there have been some notable changes that will boost the score.

 

[Periplus]

We have bots in all communities sxb
Human rights is a subjective matter in which there are violations of it even in first world countries but to say SL is a beacon is a farce and insult to those that are suffering from dubious detentions.

Most of those countries you mentioned that are above SL in terms of the ranking are only ahead by a couple of points and so it'll be interesting to see next year's report as there have been some notable changes that will boost the score.

I agree that this was before SL’s elections, which may have hampered its place on the list.

I don’t wish any ill on SL, we just disagree on one aspect of your future.

Laakin people like this user inevitably put people like you and I in uncomfortable positions.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

I agree that this was before SL’s elections, which may have hampered its place on the list.

I don’t wish any ill on SL, we just disagree on one aspect of your future.

Laakin people like this user inevitably put people like you and I in uncomfortable positions.

It's my pleasure to make you uncomfortable , I am sorry but you have to realise that we have fundamental differences. Basically we are not supposed to agree on an thing . Because your end goal is to drag my country to the miserable level of Somalia.

 

[Periplus]

It's my pleasure to make you uncomfortable , I am sorry but you have to realise that we have fundamental differences. Basically we are not supposed to agree on an thing . Because your end goal is to drag my country to the miserable level of Somalia.

The difference is that I see SL as an autonomous part of Somalia and you see it as an independent country.

If that’s the case, why would I want SL, a place I see as a region, to go backwards in development?

If I seriously believe SL will never get independence, then wouldn’t I want it to become as developed as possible as it will assist a future stable Somalia.

Your logic makes no sense.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

@0117 if I am a bot for defending my country , then you must be a condom for our rivals.

The amount of fake isaaqs in this forum is overwhelming.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

The difference is that I see SL as an autonomous part of Somalia and you see it as an independent country.

If that’s the case, why would I want SL, a place I see as a region, to go backwards in development?

If I seriously believe SL will never get independence, then wouldn’t I want it to become as developed as possible as it will assist a future stable Somalia.

Your logic makes no sense.

That's the fundamental thing I am talking about. Being part of Somalia itself is Habaar and insult to us . It's like being dragged to the stone age. so yes you are fundamentally against Somaliland moving away from Somalia in any way.

 

[Periplus]

That's the fundamental thing I am talking about. Being part of Somalia itself is Habaar and insult to us . It's like being dragged to the stone age. so yes you are fundamentally against Somaliland moving away from Somalia in any way.

I never said Somaliland should be dragged to join Somalia.

I never said SL will join Somalia while we are unstable.

I just said SL is currently an autonomous part of Somalia and will eventually join Somalia.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

I never said Somaliland should be dragged to join Somalia.

I never said SL will join Somalia while we are unstable.

I just said SL is currently an autonomous part of Somalia and will eventually join Somalia.

Man stand on your ground you don't have to push around the push. You simply believe that we are break away region of the so called Somalia and we should be in line with them. There is nothing wrong with that if you believe. just don't don't expect Somalilanders to agree with you , in fact you should always expect the opposite.

 

[Periplus]

Man stand on your ground you don't have to push around the push. You simply believe that we are break away region of the so called Somalia and we should be in line with them. There is nothing wrong with that if you believe. just don't don't expect Somalilanders to agree with you , in fact you should always expect the opposite.

Break-away, self-declared, whatever.

At the end of the day, SL is an autonomous region of Somalia until it gets ictiraaf or rejoins Somalia.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

Break-away, self-declared, whatever.

At the end of the day, SL is an autonomous region of Somalia until it gets ictiraaf or rejoins Somalia.

It may not get ictiraaf and it will never join Somalia voluntarily. But it will always be independent as long as there are peaple who are willing to die for it.

 

[Periplus]

It may not get ictiraaf and it will never join Somalia voluntarily. But it will always be independent as long as there are peaple who are willing to die for it.

Somaliland’s status quo is only tolerated by the IC because Somalia is unstable.

If Somalia stabilises, they will force SL and Somalia to sit down with either ictiraaf or rejoining Somalia.

The status quo won’t be tolerated.

Therefore, it is in your interest as a SL hardliner to make sure Somalia remains unstable for as long as possible.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

Somaliland’s status quo is only tolerated by the IC because Somalia is unstable.

If Somalia stabilises, they will force SL and Somalia to sit down with either ictiraaf or rejoining Somalia.

The status quo won’t be tolerated.

Therefore, it is in your interest as a SL hardliner to make sure Somalia remains unstable for as long as possible.

You speak like if Somalia is going to be some Dragon snake that is going destroy us if we don't pray for it's destruction. , Man Somalia is already failed state it's not treat to us practically . Yes it can write some papers of protest against us but no one takes Somalia seriously. This IC you are talking about don't give a shit of Somalia or Somaliland. So do we. No one is forcing us to join any one let alone Somalia. As I mentioned earlier Somalia has no choice but declare war on us or just give up for Good. I don't mind one more war between us if it's gonna end the stagnation. If Somalia tanks march hargeisa we are done , if you loose , have a shame for yourself and honor our hard earned victory. Debating and quarreling won't change any thing about the situation.

 

[Periplus]

You speak like if Somalia is going to be some Dragon snake that is going destroy us if we don't pray for it's destruction. , Man Somalia is already failed state it's not treat to us practically . Yes it can write some papers of protest against us but no one takes Somalia seriously. This IC you are talking about don't give a shit of Somalia or Somaliland. So do we. No one is forcing us to join any one let alone Somalia. As I mentioned earlier Somalia has no choice but declare war on us or just give up for Good. I don't mind one more war between us if it's gonna end the stagnation. If Somalia tanks march hargeisa we are done , if you loose , have a shame for yourself and honor our hard earned victory. Debating and quarreling won't change any thing about the situation.

Do you ever hear yourself when you type.

Like re-read your sentences back to yourself once in a while.

 

[Deleted L]

He made some interesting points but I feel like the author exposes his biases and hatred. He should cut down the hostile tone whenever he’s writing his articles if he wants to be taken seriously.

 

[IPushFatKids]

Even though we're on the same page his bias is clearly showing. The author writes well but he conjures statements out of his ass and runs along them like facts. Somaliland controls 20% of its territory, every clan individually chose to unite with Somalia and not the elected government of 1960, really?


I stopped reading after that part. He need to take it down a notch and refer to it as "Somaliland" instead of one clan secessionist enclave. It makes him sound so angry, bitter and unprofessional. He's talking to foreigners I believe such bias won't let his articles reach anywhere with this level of partisan and blatant militant stand.

He made some interesting points but I feel like the author exposes his biases and hatred. He should cut down the hostile tone whenever he’s writing his articles if he wants to be taken seriously.

The tone of this article is not remotely close to the vitriol you read in Somaliland publications and media. Not even close. That’s why I don’t take the criticisms of the tone of this article seriously. It was mild and appropriate. It is factually correct they are a one clan enclave.

You have people like Edna Ismail Aden openly siding with Kenyans against Somalia against the maritime dispute, telling their media “we have the same problems you are having with these Somalians”, called is pirates & terrorists, and this is the foremost Somaliland politician not just some no name journalist. Get a grip, 99% of the hatred and vitriol is totally sided.

 

[Kanan]

The tone of this article is not remotely close to the vitriol you read in Somaliland publications and media. Not even close. That’s why I don’t take the criticisms of the tone of this article seriously. It was mild and appropriate. It is factually correct they are a one clan enclave.

You have people like Edna Ismail Aden openly siding with Kenyans against Somalia against the maritime dispute, telling their media “we have the same problems you are having with these Somalians”, called is pirates & terrorists, and this is the foremost Somaliland politician not just some no name journalist. Get a grip, 99% of the hatred and vitriol is totally sided.

You got a point here there are extremists on both sides. But the difference is we redicule and expose their hypocrisy on daily basis. Meanwhile the above article is being paraded as a reliable source.


Go on Twitter there are no name users spreading the same agenda on both sides. And some who links it with Al Shabaab and all kinds of baseless conspiracy theories pumped out by southerns.



Most of what he said can be easily debunked what kind of factual evidence did he present?

 

[Kanan]

Also it's rather funny you cited that witch Adna when it comes to her hateful rhetorics in regard to Kenya but when Ahmed Madobe actively undermines Somalia's sovereignty with his total servitude to Kenya you have nothing to say but in fact some of your lot support him openly.

Your active act of treachery does more harm to Somalia than any virtiol spread by Edna.

 

[Yuusuf the great]

The tone of this article is not remotely close to the vitriol you read in Somaliland publications and media. Not even close. That’s why I don’t take the criticisms of the tone of this article seriously. It was mild and appropriate. It is factually correct they are a one clan enclave.

You have people like Edna Ismail Aden openly siding with Kenyans against Somalia against the maritime dispute, telling their media “we have the same problems you are having with these Somalians”, called is pirates & terrorists, and this is the foremost Somaliland politician not just some no name journalist. Get a grip, 99% of the hatred and vitriol is totally sided.

What's so strange about that , it's pure my enemy's enemy is friend game. Somalia claims the entire territory of Somaliland,. Half of Kenya half of Ethiopia and even Djibouti. It's a cancer to the stability of the horn . We propose Kenya should annex the entire Bantu inhabited jubaland. Forget about the maritime that's just an appetizer.