Why Somalis should avoid marrying Ajam (non Arabs)

[somalionfridays]

Darod your father was Arab and this is written history, don't deny it now

darods arent arab, stop spreading misinformation

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Darod your father was Arab and this is written history, don't deny it now

DNA determined that was a lie.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

It’s not like they said mixing is outright haram. They just said they advice against it.Theyre talking about a time when real arabs went and mass mixed with everyone changing their original complexion and looks. But I agree with the sheikh that said race mixing leads to problems and conflict. I don’t get people that go thru all those problems for “love”. spare yourselves the headache and marry someone from your ethnicity.

 

[Angelina]

PROUD AJAM HERE!!

You are half-Arab, please be half-Arab alone and stop dragging us into this.

Lol sis he’s clearly trolling everyone.

Somalis don’t speak Arabic and our culture is different. He knows this and most Arabs will feel that a Moroccan whose national language is Arabic is closer than a Somali who doesn’t even speak the language which is really what makes one an Arab.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

Lol sis he’s clearly trolling everyone.

Somalis don’t speak Arabic and our culture is different. He knows this and most Arabs will feel that a Moroccan whose national language is Arabic is closer than a Somali who doesn’t even speak the language which is really what makes one an Arab.

I speak arabic. Does that make me arab? Lmao. What makes an arab an arab is their tribe not arabic language.

 

[Angelina]

I speak arabic. Does that make me arab? Lmao. What makes an arab an arab is their tribe not arabic language.

The language is indeed what makes people Arabic. You’re a person whose native tongue isn’t Arab and speaks it as a second language or maybe you reside in an Arabic country. I think it’s obvious when I was talking about the language aspect, I was talking about one’s native mother’s tongue.

Tribe isn’t an indication of being Arab since a lot of Arabs are indeed conquered groups who have become Arabized like the Palestinians, Northern Jordanians, Syrians apart from the Southern ones and Egyptians and the whole of North Africa.

The commonality amongst those Arab world which brings them together is indeed the Arabic language. What does a Lebanese have in common with a Saudi?

 

[MarcusAbdul]

Clown take, Morrocans are actually E1b1B dna like Somalis

These bastard Arab mutts in Arabia are J1, only E1b1b descendants are halal to us, J1 Persian/Arab mutts are not

So are many caadans, half of kosvo is E1B1B. Also they are not even related, the berber E1B1B1 has little in common with the somali one. The somali one derives from southern egypt/northern Sudan. Secondly, haplogroups make up a small insignificant part of your ancestry, your autosomal ancestry is your actual dna.

Haplogroups mean little in reality, they don't indicate your actual genetic data.
Also somalis share nothing in common with maghrebis in terms of genetics, they have Anatolian ancestry and iberomaursian ancestry and their SSA is related to ANA/West Africans.

 

[MarcusAbdul]

Typical Somalispot retard take. This was about cultural differences in marriage, you think sharing an ancestor from 16K years ago will help you understand your wifes face painted grandmother when she speaks to you in amazigh?

Unironically there is little shared ancestry they are only indirectly related because of our mena ancestors

 

[Mudug_gyal]

The language is indeed what makes people Arabic. You’re a person whose native tongue isn’t Arab and speaks it as a second language or maybe you reside in an Arabic country. I think it’s obvious when I was talking about the language aspect, I was talking about one’s native mother’s tongue.

Tribe isn’t an indication of being Arab since a lot of Arabs are indeed conquered groups who have become Arabized like the Palestinians, Northern Jordanians, Syrians apart from the Southern ones and Egyptians and the whole of North Africa.

The commonality amongst those Arab world which brings them together is indeed the Arabic language. What does a Lebanese have in common with a Saudi?

My arabic is more fluent than my somali. yoo im Arab guyz. No I disagree with you. The only true arabs are the tribes in the gulf. Tribes like qahtan and adnan r the only true arabs

 

[Lais]

They are closer to people from Senegal than they are to us, i don't get this obession they have no genetic ancestry in common no language in common and until recently they had little contact with horners or in general west africans but they still have a few cultural traits in common with sahelian countries.

So which Eurasian group are we the closest to? One min it’s NA the next Yemenis..I’m confused

 

[MarcusAbdul]

So which Eurasian group are we the closest to? One min it’s NA the next Yemenis..I’m confused

North Africans but that's only because of their SSA they have 15-25 SSA which is related to ANA/West Africans, in reality they have not much in common in terms of genetics. Horners are intermediate because of our mena ancestry

 

[MarcusAbdul]

E1B1B DNA countries, like Morocco, Southern Egyptians, Sudanese, Eritreans etc.

That isn't even Dna that's haplogroup which has nothing to do with your actual genetic dna, add on a lot of southern european countries at this point. Why not napoleon he has E1B1B is he halal?

 

[ina-cilmi]

In light of the new controversy regarding Somalis wanting to marry moroccans (berbers), I decided it is a good time to educate you all on the dangers of race mixing with Ajam. Bismillah

Now as you all know, marrying someone of another race is halal in Islam, however, there are many scholars who recommend abstaining from it, I will list a few examples.

Imam Al Bukhari said:
"Marriage with a person of the same ethnicity is preferable because it avoids conflicts and cultural differences.
(Al-Adab al-Mufrad)

Imam al-Qurtubi said:
"Marriage with a person of the same ethnicity is preferable because it preserves the culture, language and customs of the family
(Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an]

Imam al-Shafli:

"It is preferable for a man to marry a woman from his own country or tribe, as this reduces the chances of conflict."
(Al-Umm, 5/26]

Now you may argue, “but Al Adnani this is the opinion of few scholars, what about the sahaba?” Well thankfully I have compiled some quotes from the sahaba in these regards.


The Sahabi Salman Al Farisi (may allahsaid:

"O Arab people! Let no one precede you in imama (leading the prayer) and let no one marry your wives except you!
(Iqtiva Sirat Mustaqeem 1/394)

it is reported Ibn Taymiyya checked the isnad in the mushaf of Al Bazar and then said "This is a good isnad!"


Umar Ibn Al Khattab said :

"I would never allow a noble woman to marry a person of a lower social class than her own!"
(Daraquini 3/298]

In regards to this, we have 2 main scholarly interpretations;

For Ash-Shafii, this notion of equivalence of spouse encompasses six things: religiosity, filiation {THE ORIGINS), freedom, social class, absence of physical handicap.
(Tuhfat Muhtaj 7/278-281]

Imam Ahmed, for his part, believes that this reciprocity must be present in five dimensions: filiation [ORIGINS), religiosity, freedom, social class and financial capacity.
(Muntahi al Ardat)

To conclude, Somalis and Moroccans are 2 different creeds. Historically Arabs and berbers mixing has usually led to conflict, if Somalis want to mix we should do so with the 20 other Arab countries whom share culture and customs with us, not a Berber state like Morocco who we share nothing with. Jazakallahu khair.

somalis arent arab buddy. using this to tell somalis not to marry moroccans is ironic considering theyre more arab than us and any arab would rather take someone closer to him (moroccan) than someone farther (somali)

stick with ur own folk i.e. the somalis. ur not arab, ur ajam

 

[MarcusAbdul]

Wallahi i'm bugging how are you taking literal haplogroups, you know there are r1bs in africa right like central africa? Are you going to claim they have the same dna with northern europeans?
Like someone can be madow and have J haplogroup for example do you think they share much in common with arabs today. Of course not.
This guy is taking most distant connection you know what Einstein was E1B1B let's claim him

 

[MarcusAbdul]

All just young dudes trying to get a reaction from the rest of the forum

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[Al Adnani]

Lol sis he’s clearly trolling everyone.

Somalis don’t speak Arabic and our culture is different. He knows this and most Arabs will feel that a Moroccan whose national language is Arabic is closer than a Somali who doesn’t even speak the language which is really what makes one an Arab.

Most somalis speak Arabic, and the dialect of Arabic we speak is more understandable to ur average Arab than darija

 

[Do]

Most somalis speak Arabic, and the dialect of Arabic we speak is more understandable to ur average Arab than darija

La atakalam arabiya!

 

[Al Adnani]

PROUD AJAM HERE!!

You are half-Arab, please be half-Arab alone and stop dragging us into this.

At the end of the day regardless of your opinion, Somalis are viewed by most ppl as Arab or Arab adjacent. It is good to be familiar with these things

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

At the end of the day regardless of your opinion, Somalis are viewed by most ppl as Arab or Arab adjacent. It is good to be familiar with these things

I AM A PROUD AJAM

 

[Kizaru]

Another one of these threads