Because I believe Isaacs don't believe they are somalis otherwise they would have no problem sharing a country with them. Now how do we solve that problem. Nothing but forceful somalification on the somalia side and brutal separation on somaliland side. They Isaacs regard the somalis residing within their territory as a geographical anomaly to be treated as second class citizens albeit with all citizen rights on paper.
Why somaliland and not somalia
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What about Puntland and the other qabiil states? Its disingenuous to pretend that only Somaliland acts this way when all somalis do the same exact shit.
The conflict is purely one of identity not politics fellows hence the tremendous difficulty in reconciliation. We are all wrongly approaching it with political lenses. They have been offered everything since the start of the conflict, presidency, capital namely any political benefit yet they have flatly refused and held on to their separatist aims with dogged steadfastness.
Puntland has never seeked separation only political objective of power within the Union.
This problem is not unique to somaliland so why single them out in particular? weird. This takes place in puntland, galmudug, jubaland and all the lands. Lets not throw stones from a glasshouse
If the majority genuinely desires separation from the Somalia, it should be permitted. However, I am opposed to them taking land that does not rightfully belong to them. If an agreement can be reached where their land is fairly given to them without infringing on others' territory, I would wish them well. Lakin, if Somalia were to transform into the ''new Qatar of the East,'' they should not be allowed to crawl back
You are quite right but they believe that the international community will not endorse the changing of colonial boundaries as their claim lies on that and they also believe that the lands of the non Isaacs contain valuable natural resources another incentive for them to hold on to them, believe me they don't care if this lands particularly in the east was emptied of its inhabitants. And about the Qatari alluding it's true that the only thing that triumphs identity politics is economics and somalia currently has not that incentive.If the majority genuinely desires separation from the Somalia, it should be permitted. However, I am opposed to them taking land that does not rightfully belong to them. If an agreement can be reached where their land is fairly given to them without infringing on others' territory, I would wish them well. Lakin, if Somalia were to transform into the ''new Qatar of the East,'' they should not be allowed to crawl back
Totally wrong. Somalis from southern Somalia cannot vote in Somaliland's elections. Somalis from koonfur whose families have lived in Burco or Hargeisa for decades cannot vote. Meanwhile Isaaq from Ethiopia are allowed to vote in Somaliland's elections.
Puntland allows all Somalis, with no distinctions, to take part in its elections. In the local council elections in Dec 2021 and May 2023, all Somalis could participate. Somaliland does not allow all Somalis to vote in its elections, even those who have been resident there for decades.
Those Oromo has no right to request anything after what they did. We will bring down jeegaan brick by brick. Now target awdal.
They let non puntlanderz vote? This is news to me. But my point still stands, all those little states are built on qabyalad and just cause one seems slightly better than the other doesnt address the root issue.
Every IDP from south of Puntland has the right to vote and to stand for office in Puntland. Even refugees from Ethiopia, who are Somalis, can vote and stand for office in Puntland. The same will be the case in the rest of koonfur and in SSC-Khatumo when they hold elections.
The outlier here is Somaliland which discriminates among Somalis on the basis of clan. You are WRONG when you say that all the states are built on qabyaalad, that only applies to Somaliland.
America/UN would never allow Mogadishu to give the green light for somaliland to secede even if Mogadishu wanted it.
Puntland way is cayan, way is hantan, and we do this with any clan, sorry if your to plastic and crumble @Angelina it's just our social and political culture. But that's where it stays and ends. We don't go around hiding in ppl mountains doing terrorism out of cuqdud like isaaq.
We don't set up a system like SL and pass laws that violate any Somali persons rights as long as he/she isn't a criminal or terrorist we don't see them as Somalis anyways and they will feel the full force of our laws. Our citizens don't go around targetting civilians like Hargeisa govt or like Hamar and your Moryan thugs in your land nor do they loot ppl private hanti.
We are the true wadanis and Mogadishu is wadani in name only but they always start conflicts with PL, it's never us that ever take our hatred and convert it to harm any somali other then with our words. We have a big difference in clan cultures and yes not all clans have the same culture, I stand by that.
You know me by now I don't mince my words and I call it like I see it
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Please respect your hooyos qabil. Be like me, someone who honors her reer Abtis. Can’t believe your mothers Abgaal and you move like this
Puntland way is cayan, way is hantan, and we do this with any clan, sorry if your to plastic and crumble @Angelina it's just our social and political culture. But that's where it stays and ends. We don't go around hiding in ppl mountains doing terrorism out of cuqdud like isaaq.
We don't set up a system like SL and pass laws that violate any Somali persons rights as long as he/she isn't a criminal or terrorist we don't see them as Somalis anyways and they will feel the full force of our laws. Our citizens don't go around targetting civilians like Hargeisa govt or like Hamar and your Moryan thugs in your land nor do they loot ppl private hanti.
We are the true wadanis and Mogadishu is wadani in name only but they always start conflicts with PL, it's never us that ever take our hatred and convert it to harm any somali other then with our words. We have a big difference in clan cultures and yes not all clans have the same culture, I stand by that.
You know me by now I don't mince my words and I call it like I see it
Puntland is a Federal State and Somalia is a Federal country.
It doesn't matter what system of governance is used, there will always be regions that have a majority clan. Mogadishu is majority Hawiye, by design as Daaroods were ethnically cleansed by thugs (USC), to make that happen. Funnily enough, nobody calls it out for what it is.
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Puntland was built as a response to the collapse of the Somali Government in 1991. And Puntland welcomed IDPs from all over Somalia and allows them to vote and live where they want.
What were we supposed to do? Wait for a saviour or beg to be allowed back in Mogadishu? Where our people were slaughtered, robbed and raped? The reason why we are children of Qaxooti.
Till this day there are people whose houses are occupied by thieves.
Abayo, yaa been kuu sheegay??
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The Hamar goons want to make the state symbolically federal in name only and central in practise and functioning, these goons never stop their crap and we must make it clear thru our leadership any system violating federalism is null and void and dead on arrival. If they say we are not violating federalism but redesigning it, fight back and say any system in contradiction to Puntland model will be nullified and cancelled. Make it clear to them, federalism must compliment the Puntland model not work against it.
That will silence their goon leaders trying to play state craft and redesigning federalism and adding hawiyenimo and capital danaysi cause we know HSM political wisdom in state craft from 2012 to 2016 when he created GM N HS and their the most dysfunctional states in the federation. Will we allow him to bring his aragti gaaban to the federation system, he must think somalis must be insane. The PL model works and will always be the blue print used for the somali federation.
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I blame Puntland leaders for not addressing the elephant in the room FROM DAY 1. Which is, to address what happened in 1991. Instead they allowed a place where ethnic cleansing took place to be called the 'Capital of Somalia'.
There should have been a new capital.
Thanks to what happened in 1991 and during Siad Barre's regime, no Somali in their right mind will put their eggs in the Mogadishu and the Centralism basket again.
I've always liked the peace SL brought to the region, especially after the carnage of the collapse of the central government, but I never agreed with the war SSC and the final straw was MOU, I never saw recognition as a possibility, but a bargaining chip against the FGS, the north has always been ignored by the government for the development of the south.
Federalism is the only way forward, I have very little trust for the FGS but even more so for anyone who has made deals with #1 enemy for Somalis for the past 700 years.
Federalism is the only way forward, I have very little trust for the FGS but even more so for anyone who has made deals with #1 enemy for Somalis for the past 700 years.
New capital should have been built somewhere central, with security as it's #1 function.
All of Somalia, except for Mogadishu is ignored or sabotaged, when it comes to development funds.
And even within Mogadishu, much of the aid gets diverted to tuugo pockets. For instance 'allegedly' they sell food aid in the markets. There is also a thriving 'black market' for passports, weapons, you name it.
The past two Presidents have even been accused of financial nepotism and corruption. For instance, a persistent rumour that Farmaajo's brother + partner were the only Khat wholesalers. Now there is an allegation that HSM owns the bus shuttles at the Airport.
But people are happy and silent as long as it is their adeer who is "30 jir oo 30 Million haysta".
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