Why Somalia Or Any Country Are Poor

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A-lot of people in Somalia and every poor country have this silly high optimism which isn't grounded in rationality but mere Emotions and Feelings. Their desire(emotions) to be a successful nation guides their thinking. When it should be your rationality that guides your thinking. Somalia or any poor country share the following problems in order to become successful and these issues feed off each other in a circular round robin with the same conclusion.

1. Social decay at a cultural level. Criminals or bad elements are allowed to thrive in social circles whether political or even citizenry. Plus their is no govt authority set up to address this, no think-tanks to provide cultural revolution advice, no independent facebook-website to name/shame criminal elements whether political or citizens. Somali culture needs to set up a MODEL Citizen framework for the armed clans thru the dialogue-assistance-knowledge transfer from un-armed minority(which I call the un-armed majority) such as tumaal-madhiban-bantu who have the highest productivity value. The social revolution and systems we put in place must generate a number of detailed and measurable outcomes.

First the outcome we desire is the social stigma we direct to productive minority clans must be redirected to the unproductive bad elements inside armed clans. The goal should be set that we want to achieve a cultural revolution where all the corrupt and criminal will be named/shamed publically, will be isolated from mosques and clan circles, they will be treated in the same way and contempt in the society like we do to the productive minority. Then we take productive minority clans and put them up as a MODEL for all armed clans to adopt.

When we start to see the bad in Somalis treated like 'm1dgans' we have reached a huge cultural reform goal. Then and only then can a rule of law, strong systems, and good governance can be achieved. Our issue isn't a single bad leader, it's at a systemic level(many bad leaders). Leaders do not drop from the sky, they come from within the populace which has a social rot. No amount of preaching good governance-accountability-rule of law and strong system is possible on top of a 'social decay rot' as that rot will spread from bottom to the top and consume anything and everything.

2. Lack of physical infrastructure. In theory it's impossible for industries to develop when these are lacking. Things like roads-airport-port are physical infrastructure to set up access corridors for the movement of people and goods through air-land-sea. It leads to businesses and homes being created when a road is there. But other important physical infrastructure include drainage so the access corridors or farm lands aren't flooded. Sewages are also critical to reduce disease outbreaks. Clean water is also another important hard infrastructure as people won't be able to drink, cook or clean or even support livestock or farming. Energy is another big physical infrastructure to support Residential-Schooling-Hospitals-And Industry needs.

3. Social infrastructure such as schools-hospitals are also important social infrastructure but they need to be quality and managed carefully as this can disrupt any industrial development goal becuz if they lack skills, they won't be hired. They can't develop those skills, if they can't even read/write. The schooling process is fundamental to ensure it leads to quality outcomes so it can fuel industries with the required labor force. Health issue is also fundamental becuz if your population is majority sick or mal-nourished, your labor pool is minimized also and so it doesn't fix poverty but increases it when Health outcomes are low. It's also a human capital problem, if ppl are dying before reaching the age of wisdom as nothing is transferred to the youth who will repeat the same cycle.

So if Somalis want rationality to fix Their issue. The cycle starts like this;

Cultural Revolution At Social Level >>>> Establishment of The Rule Of Law >>>> Systems/Enforcment Bodies In Place >>> Good Governance Models >>> Auditing >>> Nation Building(physical/social infrastructure) >>>> Industries should naturally and organically grow through local/diaspora/foreign begin to rush in to tap into these Market Ready Conditions.
 

DR OSMAN

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@GemState We got a long way to go brother. Let those who are optimistic thru emotions keep singing songs and empty slogans like HSM. I'll continue being af-naareed ileen dalku waa naar and they don't want to acknowledge why it's even NAAR, dad aan iyagu is-toosin illahi ma toosiyo, They waste their time praying, god doesn't answer the prayer who don't fix themselves
 
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Somalia is poor due to corrupt politicians, internal conflicts, foreign interference.

@DR OSMAN all of the things you listed can be fixed if those things above I listed are removed from Somalia.
 

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Mangab bah dubeeys

Qof walbo mangaabkisa hadu haysto oo taageero, adiguna sewagekasi kama baxaysid, ileen ninka ku taliyo cirka kama so degan, shacab buu ka yimi, hadu shacabkasi corrupt yihin iyo useless isaguna ha moodin inu mala'ikh cirka ka so degtay noqonayo.
 

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Somalia is poor due to corrupt politicians, internal conflicts, foreign interference.

@DR OSMAN all of the things you listed can be fixed if those things above I listed are removed from Somalia.

Conflict, corrupt leaders- foreign interference cannot thrive or exist if their no social decay to operate in. Leaders are not gods or angels nor are foreigners, your simplistic outlook wont fix somalia but encourage it
 
Conflict, corrupt leaders- foreign interference cannot thrive or exist if their no social decay to operate in. Leaders are not gods or angels nor are foreigners, your simplistic outlook wont fix somalia but encourage it
For Somalia to thrive warlords, corrupt politicians, terrorists, foreign interference, have to be cleansed. Somalia also has to have reconciliation like Rwanda and go away from qabiil/4.5.
 

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For Somalia to thrive warlords, corrupt politicians, terrorists, foreign interference, have to be cleansed. Somalia also has to have reconciliation like Rwanda and go away from qabiil/4.5.

Ur listing symptoms, not root causes. None of that is possible if the social level was clean to begin with. There nothing u can build on top of social rot, nothing. It will collapse and develop the symptoms u now just listed
 

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Only thing we have is fish ,coast, and livestock. Most of country bad soil, drought prone, areas with decent soil humid with lots of tropical diseases and bugs. Every state I’ve lived in America there is lush grass. You scoop the dirt it’s rich black soil full of moisture and critters like earth worms. Everyone has lush lawn and can grow fruits and veggies. Trees everywhere that it was used for lumber industry and fuel for centuries with no issues. Somalia is harsh land like Saudi Arabia before oil when there gdp was couple hundred dollars and one of poorest countries in world and people lived harsh nomad lifestyle like us but they at least still got pilgrimage money rolling
 

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Only thing we have is fish ,coast, and livestock. Most of country bad soil, drought prone, areas with decent soil humid with lots of tropical diseases and bugs. Every state I’ve lived in America there is lush grass. You scoop the dirt it’s rich black soil full of moisture and critters like earth worms. Everyone has lush lawn and can grow fruits and veggies. Trees everywhere that it was used for lumber industry and fuel for centuries with no issues. Somalia is harsh land like Saudi Arabia before oil when there gdp was couple hundred dollars and one of poorest countries in world and people lived harsh nomad lifestyle like us but they at least still got pilgrimage money rolling
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Oil was discovered 1938 took a while for decent production but next couple of decades was quick growth allah give them major lifeline. If no oil probably still living like this
 

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Only thing we have is fish ,coast, and livestock. Most of country bad soil, drought prone, areas with decent soil humid with lots of tropical diseases and bugs. Every state I’ve lived in America there is lush grass. You scoop the dirt it’s rich black soil full of moisture and critters like earth worms. Everyone has lush lawn and can grow fruits and veggies. Trees everywhere that it was used for lumber industry and fuel for centuries with no issues. Somalia is harsh land like Saudi Arabia before oil when there gdp was couple hundred dollars and one of poorest countries in world and people lived harsh nomad lifestyle like us but they at least still got pilgrimage money rolling

Your land or resources(3rd world) vs human capital(singapore). I prefer a desert with jewish like population
 
Ur listing symptoms, not root causes. None of that is possible if the social level was clean to begin with. There nothing u can build on top of social rot, nothing. It will collapse and develop the symptoms u now just listed
The root causes are cadaalad daro, qabyaalad and marginalization.
 

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The root causes are cadaalad daro, qabyaalad and marginalization.

Sounds like Social rot to me. Injustice cuz their no accountability with bad ppl, no amount of courts u put in place will stop the clan from bringing teknikos to un-do the court decision. The problem isn't the system, its the PPL itself. Marginalization happens cuz they fear u will do he same to them and leads to round robin cycle, why? becuz he knows your 'qurun' like he is, he just wants to beat u too power so u don't do to him.

It's ALL LINKED TO SOCIAL ROT. Create a qabiil called 'dambiile' we take them all their and treat them like midgans if u want cultural revolution and name/shame them where-ever they are like we do m1dgans in clan or social circles. Somalia will rise within 10 years, won't lead to continous rott where u spend 20 years trying to build a govt on top of a 'social decay' society.
 

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Your land or resources(3rd world) vs human capital(singapore). I prefer a desert with jewish like population
Resources dont actually equate to successful country I agree, but it’s like starting off in middle class family vs heroin addicted parents. countries with resources have much better chance at success. Congo for example has one of the highest rainfalls in world, lush forest , rivers, estimated 20 +trillion in minerals with active mines all over country producing cobalt iron and other minerals so its not speculation but proven reserves. Given that land I think Somalis would be rich country and successful people. Congo will eventually get their shit together even though they poor today
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@Hilmaam the problem with the get rich quick thru resources is, resources change, businesses change, that's why u don't see any generational wealth from 500 years ago, why? business change. Human capital tho if u have this can ride the wave of change like a warrior and still be rich, while the congo type economies fall to extinction when global markets change
 

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Your land or resources(3rd world) vs human capital(singapore). I prefer a desert with jewish like population
Jewish people bank rolled by west yes they are smart resourceful people maybe even highest iq. Probably the race that produces most geniuses . small population but many noble prize winners and scientists who ushered in modern era of tech and medicine. But israel gets more aid than anyone

 

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@Hilmaam the problem with the get rich quick thru resources is, resources change, businesses change, that's why u don't see any generational wealth from 500 years ago, why? business change. Human capital tho if u have this can ride the wave of change like a warrior and still be rich, while the congo type economies fall to extinction when global markets change
Somalis average people when we come to west we succeed in corporate America and most students who apply themselves easily are at top of classes in college and high school seen it a lot with recent graduations here in Minnesota. Yet to produce any super geniuses who gonna usher in new era but hopefully happens one day. We have many good engineers doctors and business people just need Nobel prize winner

I don’t see rich in our future. Way to high a goal. gdp per capita of 4k thats organic and not remittance and international aid would be major win. Singapore is miracle example I doubt we recreate that. Will say it’s feasible when we have somali Nobel peace prize winners and people starting microchip and AI companies in west. We are young immigrant group so let’s see next couple decades what are upper limit is when it comes to brain power
 

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Somalis average people when we come to west we succeed in corporate America and most students who apply themselves easily are at top of classes in college and high school seen it a lot with recent graduations here in Minnesota. Yet to produce any super geniuses who gonna usher in new era but hopefully happens one day. We have many good engineers doctors and business people just need Nobel prize winner

I don’t see rich in our future. Way to high a goal. gdp per capita of 4k thats organic and not remittance and international aid would be major win. Singapore is miracle example I doubt we recreate that. Will say it’s feasible when we have somali Nobel peace prize winners and people starting microchip and AI companies in west. We are young immigrant group so let’s see next couple decades what are upper limit is when it comes to brain power

The problem with the resource economy is, it makes u 3rd world, u rely on one industry not a range of industries( mature market indicator). The other problem is you will get 3rd world prices for it also since u don't have mature market and will accept anything. It doesn't usually create mass employment either other then a few manual workers or trucking, most is done thru machinery.

We should focus on processing and value-add of all african resources and to do that we need human capital. Rather then selling raw materials at the raw level, we should collect it across the continent and set up processing plants so we sell it at full market prices.
 

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The problem with the resource economy is, it makes u 3rd world, u rely on one industry not a range of industries(showing mature markets). The other problem is you will get 3rd world prices for it also since u don't have mature market and will accept anything. We should focus on processing and value-add of all african resources and to do that we need human capital. Rather then selling raw materials at the raw level, we should collect it across the continent and set up processing plants so we sell it at full market prices.
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Qof walbo mangaabkisa hadu haysto oo taageero, adiguna sewagekasi kama baxaysid, ileen ninka ku taliyo cirka kama so degan, shacab buu ka yimi, hadu shacabkasi corrupt yihin iyo useless isaguna ha moodin inu mala'ikh cirka ka so degtay noqonayo.

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