Why many Somalis leave Islam

[mkftvr_]

So a kafir is in your eyes a subhuman? On the same level as cattle?

Yes.

لَهُمۡ قُلُوبࣱ لَّا یَفۡقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمۡ أَعۡیُنࣱ لَّا یُبۡصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمۡ ءَاذَانࣱ لَّا یَسۡمَعُونَ بِهَاۤۚ أُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ كَٱلۡأَنۡعَـٰمِ بَلۡ هُمۡ أَضَلُّۚ أُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلۡغَـٰفِلُونَ

With hearts they do not use for comprehension, eyes they do not use for sight, ears they do not use for hearing. They are like cattle, no, even further astray. these are the ones who are entirely heedless.

Al-A'raf, Ayah 179

 

[Ozymandias]

Yes.

لَهُمۡ قُلُوبࣱ لَّا یَفۡقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمۡ أَعۡیُنࣱ لَّا یُبۡصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمۡ ءَاذَانࣱ لَّا یَسۡمَعُونَ بِهَاۤۚ أُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ كَٱلۡأَنۡعَـٰمِ بَلۡ هُمۡ أَضَلُّۚ أُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلۡغَـٰفِلُونَ

With hearts they do not use for comprehension, eyes they do not use for sight, ears they do not use for hearing. They are like cattle, no, even further astray. these are the ones who are entirely heedless.

Al-A'raf, Ayah 179

Truly a belief system based on hatred of outsiders and the cherishing of one's own tribe. Islam reminds me of George Orwells dystopian book 1984, its all conditional love

 

[Khaem]

Then you have to question whether or not your God is truly omnibenevolent, why on earth would God make some child born in a gaalo village go through muslim raids and either be put into slavery or conscripted? Is God not far removed from humans? I believe in a higher being but my idea of God is perfect and detests evil, the religion would make sense

Good and evil is seen differently throughout time and between me and you. You believe fighting and competition is evil but I believe it's necessary.

You atheists peddle the idea of evolution, the only reason it exists is because of competition. We improve and adapt. Same with humans who technologically advanced through war not by peace.

All struggles in life is a test. We are all tested in different ways, the rich live in excess and decadence may struggle in controlling their urges when sin is so easy and everywhere. All lives are different tests by God.

 

[Ozymandias]

Good and evil is seen differently throughout time and between me and you. You believe fighting and competition is evil but I believe it's necessary.

You atheists peddle the idea of evolution, the only reason it exists is because of competition. We improve and adapt. Same with humans who technologically advanced through war not by peace.

All struggles in life is a test. We are all tested in different ways, the rich live in excess and decadence may struggle in controlling their urges when sin is so easy and everywhere. All lives are different tests by God.

Then your religion isn't divine, its parallels the human experience and the biological organisms of this world, it simply functions as a mechanism to aide the order building of this society

 

[Khaem]

Truly a belief system based on hatred of outsiders and the cherishing of one's own tribe. Islam reminds me of George Orwells dystopian book 1984, its all conditional love

Do you even understand the verse?
It's calling non believers stupid, like cattle but even worse as they have sentience and can think for themselves but choose idiot ways.
Looking at a value system and a way of living connected with God and rejecting it for an aithestic world view built on "science" but those same scienctists are religious and when I bring up ideas like competition in evolution which atheists love to peddle it's suddenly a bad thing just because I as a muslim use it to justify the Quran.

 

[Khaem]

Then your religion isn't divine, its parallels the human experience and the biological organisms of this world

Wtf is divine then my nigga?
You think divine is thinking the world is a utopia???

Ofc it's based on the human experience and organisims of the world. The Quran was sent to guide the human experience. Chatting out your arse.

 

[Ozymandias]

Wtf is divine then my nigga?
You think divine is thinking the world is a utopia???

Ofc it's based on the human experience and organisims of the world. The Quran was sent to guide the human experience. Chatting out your arse.

I'm saying that all religious institutions are fallible and are all man made, there is no one true religion, its all a construct of ideas and ideals that we humans have configured up. There is no kafir or mumin, there is only the truth. There will also be some new religion in the future which encapsulates this. Religion is by its nature gnostic.

 

[Naldos]

99% of the time it’s because of their parents (parental mistreatment/abuse although I have noticed it’s mainly mommy issues). If their parents treated them better they wouldn’t leave the religion. It’s not a morals issue (as in I disagree with the religion because of xyz) it’s just trauma from their upbringing. The older ones tend to have married an caadan and left the religion behind (they’ll celebrate eid though with decorations but won’t attend eid prayer). But also, there are a lot of young people who simply don’t pray or read the quran. They may fast during ramadan and will show up to eid prayer to hang out with their friends but besides that they don’t care for religion. I would honestly say like 30-40% of young somalis in the west are like that.

 

[Qeelbax]

In your dreams

 

[AbwaanCali]

Somalis are muslim. If you're a murtad or kaffir, you're not Somali.

 

[cooli3o]

Hence why Islam isn't Godly, its not following divine law, thank you for admitting that though, I respect you

Where in what I said proves that it isn't divine law?

 

[cooli3o]

It's the law of nature nigga. It's present in all species. Idk what is it with you atheists and this twisted reality where everything is a utopia.

Atheists want to play God and think they can make a world without any suffering and be better than Allah at being merciful towards his creation, as why they say that allowing people to act on their desires, change gender, etc.. is a mercy and restricting that is a punishment, where in reality allowing people to follow their desires leads to punishment and harm in the dunya itself, as we can see in the western nations with all the of the stds drug addicts depression single mothers killing etc.. whereas the initial pain of rejecting your desires leads to alot of good which outweighs the pain. at the end of the day pain is necessary in life and necessary for good, completely eliminating pain out the equation will create more pain.
sad thing is they all know this, deep inside, they all think humans evolved, and that humans evolved to experience pain which is needed to warn us of danger and prevent us from harm like feeling pain from burning cuts etc.. and feeling emotional pain is necessary in order for us to hate certain things which are bad or us.
yet despite all this knowledge they still believe they can get a life with as little pain as possible following their own opinions and conjecture.

when you look deep into it you see the hypocrisy.

TL:DR
Pain is necessary in life and not always immoral especially when it leads to a greater good

 

[cooli3o]

why on earth would God make some child born in a gaalo village go through muslim raids and either be put into slavery or conscripted?

You do realise jannah exists?

 

[cooli3o]

Truly a belief system based on hatred of outsiders and the cherishing of one's own tribe. Islam reminds me of George Orwells dystopian book 1984, its all conditional love

we love our people in Islam and want the best for them which is why all Prophets called their people to Islam for years despite the oppression until it got too much and their people were eventually destroyed or Prophets were given permission to seek retribution on them.

Also everyone in this world hates outsides and loves their own, do you live in the real world?
do you realise how much the west and non-muslims hate Muslims and our entire religion, everyone in the world hates people who they believe are immoral and love their own moral people.
Do you want me to love you if You are a disgusting evil person?

 

[cooli3o]

Then your religion isn't divine, its parallels the human experience and the biological organisms of this world, it simply functions as a mechanism to aide the order building of this society

That actually proves it is divine as it is in conjunction with nature and how we live life and common sense, God created us in a way and is reminding us through scripture how to live the natural pure way of life, everything else is a deviation from this.
God created nature and all humans and biology, he set rules for all of these things, then he tells us how to live by these rules he set down, it is simple,