Why is somalia considered SSA?

[Khaem]

To most of the world, they’re just variations of the same race. The Dinka and Khoisan look nothing alike either.

What do I care then? To the west, all small eyed peoples in eastern Asia from Japan to Indonesia are the same despite what the people there care to think.

 

[mohammdov]

Somalis are not genetically related to Niger Congo peoples.

We literally descend from the same natufian tribes as all other afro asiatic speaking peoples

AI ain't shit, it's only doing things it's trained to. If you want to actually differentiate between races look at genetics not some random code.

In the middle of the Nile Basin, there was a mixture between the Eurasian origins of the Fertile Crescent farmers andThe African origins of the Nile Basin fishermen , where this mixing formed the nucleus of the population of the Neolithic pastoralists, who spread in eastern Africa, with the gradual increase in African mixing among them.

You have the same origins as the rest of your African neighbors, but the difference is that they have admixtures with the Bantu, and you have admixtures with the Levantine Neolithic pastoralists. Don't think that you are much different from them

Tell me what part of my genetics groups me with blacks more than it does with north africans? This race bs invented by Europeans has no basis in reality. If you wanna divide me by race then I am a cushite, north east African.
The closes peoples to Somalis are . Not congolese or Nigerians.

Lactose intolerance map.

What does lactose intolerance have to do with this? Most Somalis do not have this mutation because it belongs to the first pastoralists in the steppes of Eurasia. While your ancestors were in the Nile Basin at that time

Sudan was Arabised through gradual infiltrations, not outright conquest; and this process took centuries

Sudan was often Arabized after the Egyptian Mamluks expelled the Bedouin Arabs from Upper Egypt. They expelled thousands and all of them fled to Sudan and at first they refused to marry the local population, but they took concubines and mixed with the local population. And after that, Al-Abdullab began invading the cities of non-Muslims, so Sudan was invaded
This is what al-Maqrizi and Ibn Ayas, who lived at that time, mentioned

 

[Khaem]

In the middle of the Nile Basin, there was a mixture between the Eurasian origins of the Fertile Crescent farmers andThe African origins of the Nile Basin fishermen , where this mixing formed the nucleus of the population of the Neolithic pastoralists, who spread in eastern Africa, with the gradual increase in African mixing among them.
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You have the same origins as the rest of your African neighbors, but the difference is that they have admixtures with the Bantu, and you have admixtures with the Levantine Neolithic pastoralists. Don't think that you are much different from them

What does lactose intolerance have to do with this? Most Somalis do not have this mutation because it belongs to the first pastoralists in the steppes of Eurasia. While your ancestors were in the Nile Basin at that time

Sudan was often Arabized after the Egyptian Mamluks expelled the Bedouin Arabs from Upper Egypt. They expelled thousands and all of them fled to Sudan and at first they refused to marry the local population, but they took concubines and mixed with the local population. And after that, Al-Abdullab began invading the cities of non-Muslims, so Sudan was invaded
This is what al-Maqrizi and Ibn Ayas, who lived at that time, mentioned View attachment 284676

We are natufians mixed with Proto nitolics.
Last time I checked, nilotes are not related to bantus or west africans.

We originate in the nile along with our nilotic cousins. Bantus and West Africans originate in South East Nigeria where they discovered farming and wiped out or assimilated most the continent. We did not originate or live among each other until a 1,500 years ago or a bit earlier. We do not share genetics to make us related any more than we are related to yemenis or south Sudanese.

They only arrived in east Africa in around 500bc or perhaps later.
Before that we bordered nomadic nilotes to our west, farming Egyptians to our north and hunter gatherer Khoi-san to our south. This is who cushites interacted with thousands of years before Niger Congo came to East Africa.

Keep trying to find ways to prove a race that never existed and was invented by slavers. Many africans around the continent couldn't give a damn about it but first gen african immigrant leftists who want to fit in with the "black cause" in America try push this bs onto the average africans who only care about their tribe.

 

[mohammdov]

We are natufians mixed with Proto nitolics.
Last time I checked, nilotes are not related to bantus or west africans.

We originate in the nile along with our nilotic cousins. Bantus and West Africans originate in South East Nigeria where they discovered farming and wiped out or assimilated most the continent. We did not originate or live among each other until a 1,500 years ago or a bit earlier. We do not share genetics to make us related any more than we are related to yemenis or south Sudanese.

They only arrived in east Africa in around 500bc or perhaps later.
Before that we bordered nomadic nilotes to our west, farming Egyptians to our north and hunter gatherer Khoi-san to our south. This is who cushites interacted with thousands of years before Niger Congo came to East Africa.

Keep trying to find ways to prove a race that never existed and was invented by slavers. Many africans around the continent couldn't give a damn about it but first gen african immigrant leftists who want to fit in with the "black cause" in America try push this bs onto the average africans who only care about their tribe.

But you are associated with all of East Africa

You need more lessons to understand this
It is not me who connects you with West Africa. The world sees the same thing Look at the Fulani and Tuareg in West Africa, they look like Somalis, but you are not genetically related to them The Tanzanian and the South African will remain genetically closer to you, although they do not have similar features

 

[Khaem]

But you are associated with all of East Africa

You need more lessons to understand this
It is not me who connects you with West Africa. The world sees the same thing Look at the Fulani and Tuareg in West Africa, they look like Somalis, but you are not genetically related to them The Tanzanian and the South African will remain genetically closer to you, although they do not have similar features

Tanzanian and Kenyan used to be Cushitic ofc they have some genetic similarities. But they are not majority bantu and share more with their fellow bantu nations.

I don't care how the world sees me. I know my background and identity, they don't. Look at those westerners that think all middle easterners are the same, Arab Pakistani and Iranian are the same to these whites. So are chinese, Malaysian, Japanese and Indonesian to the white even though these people see themselves as distinct. If you want to be subservient to how the white man sees the world then go ahead, but I don't care about foriengiers.

 

[SuperBantuWeyne]

We are natufians mixed with Proto nitolics.
Last time I checked, nilotes are not related to bantus or west africans.

We originate in the nile along with our nilotic cousins. Bantus and West Africans originate in South East Nigeria where they discovered farming and wiped out or assimilated most the continent. We did not originate or live among each other until a 1,500 years ago or a bit earlier. We do not share genetics to make us related any more than we are related to yemenis or south Sudanese.

They only arrived in east Africa in around 500bc or perhaps later.
Before that we bordered nomadic nilotes to our west, farming Egyptians to our north and hunter gatherer Khoi-san to our south. This is who cushites interacted with thousands of years before Niger Congo came to East Africa.

Keep trying to find ways to prove a race that never existed and was invented by slavers. Many africans around the continent couldn't give a damn about it but first gen african immigrant leftists who want to fit in with the "black cause" in America try push this bs onto the average africans who only care about their tribe.

Bantus originated from South East Nigeria but their west african ancestors didn't. From what I've gathered in terms of evidences(archeology, genetics, linguistic...) West africans are seems to descend from a group related to Ancestral East African(Nilo-saharan, african ancestry amongst cushites, Mota...), another related to Ancestral North Africa(Iberomaurusian, kiffian...) and another made of different hunter gatherers native to Central-West africa (pygmy-like, khoisan-like, ghost ones...). Mesolithic Nubians cluster with Niger-Congo in dental affinity, ancient samples are needed but it's already known that West africans and Nilo-saharans share ancestry (both were classified as negroid due to obvious morphological affinities)

 

[Nomadite]

Bantus originated from South East Nigeria but their west african ancestors didn't. From what I've gathered in terms of evidences(archeology, genetics, linguistic...) West africans are seems to descend from a group related to Ancestral East African(Nilo-saharan, african ancestry amongst cushites, Mota...), another related to Ancestral North Africa(Iberomaurusian, kiffian...) and another made of different hunter gatherers native to Central-West africa (pygmy-like, khoisan-like, ghost ones...). Mesolithic Nubians cluster with Niger-Congo in dental affinity, ancient samples are needed but it's already known that West africans and Nilo-saharans share ancestry (both were classified as negroid due to obvious morphological affinities)
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the presence of any clade of E in WA is proof enough to let you know modern West Africans are an amalgamation of different races that came together, especially since places like Shum Laka yield specimens that don't carry E but older lineages like A and B.

 

[Jun]

You are Sudanese and probably from the descendants of the invading Arabs of Sudan. I am talking about the Somalis who carry the neotech component by 60% with some other admixture . Even artificial intelligence can now differentiate between races if it is black, white or Australian

ZERO arab invasion happened. In fact, they foolishly tried to conquer us but we utterly destroyed them. Nubian resistance was one of the many reasons why muslim arabs couldn't march beyond sudan into other african countries. We beat them again at second battle of dongola and the cucks had to settle for some lame peace treaty lmao.

According to historian al-Baladhuri, the Muslims found that the Nubians fought strongly and met them with showers of arrows. The majority of the Arab forces returned with wounded and blinded eyes. It was thus that the Nubians were called 'the pupil smiters'.

The siege ended in a pitched battle.[7] The casualties incurred by Abdallah's forces were heavy,[6] and Qalidurut did not sue for peace.[1] In the end, Abdallah called off the siege and negotiated a pact (baqt).[2] According to the 9th-century Egyptian historian Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam this was because "he was unable to defeat them". The 10th-century Shiite historian Ahmad al-Kufi, who had no sympathy for the forces of the caliph, had an even stronger opinion: "The Muslims had never [before] suffered a loss like the one they had in Nubia.

 

[SuperBantuWeyne]

the presence of any clade of E in WA is proof enough to let you know modern West Africans are an amalgamation of different races that came together, especially since places like Shum Laka yield specimens that don't carry E but older lineages like A and B.

The presence of diverse maternal haplogroups too such as L3(close to eurasians and shared with East africans), L2a(shared with EA and maximized in eastern Pygmies, L1c(maximized in western Pygmies),L0(distantly related to khoisans..)the fact that the african component of Taforalt is best modeled as a mix of West and East African if using modern populations...

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

You know that from a From a medical and biological point of view , humans are divided into five races and Somalis are black Africans Your race is black but your ethnic group is Somali

Biological race is disproven. Socially, yes Somalis are definitely black but biology and race don't go together in the same sentence without making you look foolish.

 

[Khaem]

Biological race is disproven. Socially, yes Somalis are definitely black but biology and race don't go together in the same sentence without making you look foolish.

Race does exist. Just more complicated then the modern colonial era 4 "races" based on colour made by Europeans.

A somali is closer to a jew then a "black" man from Zimbabwe. Somali and Jewish Hebrew is both part of the Afro asiatic language family.

You could probably split humans into 20 races or more.
Cushitic is an obvious one, Somalia, Eritrea, ethiopia & Sudan.

Europe is a bit harder to divide since they are a tiny continent (basically a big peninsula on the edge of Asia) and they have mixed so much you can't really tell the difference.

Asia is massively diverse like Africa and both continents can probably fit 7 - 10 races on each.

The Americas is a post colonial continent. All sorts of random mixed breeds live there.
Average white American today would be considered a mutt in the 1800s. White Americans are a mix of British, french, Italian, German, irish and all sorts of Europeans settlers who would've considered each other seperate communities in early America but since mixed to form a common white Anglo identity

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

Sudan was often Arabized after the Egyptian Mamluks expelled the Bedouin Arabs from Upper Egypt. They expelled thousands and all of them fled to Sudan and at first they refused to marry the local population, but they took concubines and mixed with the local population. And after that, Al-Abdullab began invading the cities of non-Muslims, so Sudan was invaded
This is what al-Maqrizi and Ibn Ayas, who lived at that time, mentioned

The Abdallaba, didn't "invading non-muslim cities". Alwa, a Christian kingdom was in decline, political tension and problems in Alwa led to Abdallabis laying siege from within and seizing the power of the kingdom through an effortless conquest that granted them absolute control of the kingdom, but their authority was shortlived because then the indigenous Funj marched out of the Blue Nile and forced the Abdallabi into submission.

Also, it's not your traditional idea of an "invasion" because the Abdallabis actually settled in the Alwa kingdom and lived for some time there, in fact, Arabs before the Abdallabis had lived there for much longer and even became properly integrated with the local society and culture, some authors describing the Arabs of the Nile as having been "Nubianized". The characteristics of the Abdallabi attack on Alwa are more symbolic of a rebellion rather than an invasion in which total foreigners to a land overwhelm it through sheer force. The Abdallabi weren't total foreigners and had lived peacefully in Alwa for years, becoming a people part of the kingdom in citizenship and trade. Their worsened relations with the state and ruling class pushed them to the point of taking the kingdom for themselves.

Though this is one of the only instances of Arab bedouins in Sudan actually succeeding against native powers at all. So if we even did allow for you to mindlessly label it an "invasion", it'd be one instance, and very insignificant at that because not long after the "invasion", the invaders are then put back in their place and re-governed and powered over by native Sudanese people. Everywhere else you go in Sudan, Arab descendants are the product of Bedouins being absorbed by local groups and exchanging culture. Not remnants of invasion.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

Race does exist. Just more complicated then the modern colonial era 4 "races" based on colour made by Europeans.

A somali is closer to a jew then a "black" man from Zimbabwe. Somali and Jewish Hebrew is both part of the Afro asiatic language family.

You could probably split humans into 20 races or more.
Cushitic is an obvious one, Somalia, Eritrea, ethiopia & Sudan.

Europe is a bit harder to divide since they are a tiny continent (basically a big peninsula on the edge of Asia) and they have mixed so much you can't really tell the difference.

Asia is massively diverse like Africa and both continents can probably fit 7 - 10 races on each.

The Americas is a post colonial continent. All sorts of random mixed breeds live there.
Average white American today would be considered a mutt in the 1800s. White Americans are a mix of British, french, Italian, German, irish and all sorts of Europeans settlers who would've considered each other seperate communities in early America but since mixed to form a common white Anglo identity

I Definitely agree genetic clusters exist, but how they play into "race" is a complicated one. Plus biology has advanced to the point of understanding humans can't really be grouped into races anyway, the phylogenetic divisions and understanding of primates and humans included, is enough to show attempts to craft racial concepts grounded on biology will always fail. I'm more in favor of using "genetic clusters" in Science, but race, as we know it and have seen it in the past, will never work nor have any basis in Science.

Outside of social contexts, race has no place, no use in any field of that matter.

 

[Khaem]

I Definitely agree genetic clusters exist, but how they play into "race" is a complicated one. Plus biology has advanced to the point of understanding humans can't really be grouped into races anyway, the phylogenetic divisions and understanding of primates and humans included, is enough to show attempts to craft racial concepts grounded on biology will always fail. I'm more in favor of using "genetic clusters" in Science, but race, as we know it and have seen it in the past, will never work nor have any basis in Science.

Outside of social contexts, race has no place, no use in any field of that matter.

Yes when I was talking about races I was meaning the genetic clusters that you can find and group different ethnicities under a "race" based on that, however it is complicated so you can't really have a concrete list of all ethnicities and which race they belong to.
But I also agree that it's mostly only used in a social context and shouldn't be mixed with science. Especially that colonial era bs of splitting races into colour which is fan fiction at best.

 

[Nilotic]

The Abdallaba, didn't "invading non-muslim cities". Alwa, a Christian kingdom was in decline, political tension and problems in Alwa led to Abdallabis laying siege from within and seizing the power of the kingdom through an effortless conquest that granted them absolute control of the kingdom, but their authority was shortlived because then the indigenous Funj marched out of the Blue Nile and forced the Abdallabi into submission.

Also, it's not your traditional idea of an "invasion" because the Abdallabis actually settled in the Alwa kingdom and lived for some time there, in fact, Arabs before the Abdallabis had lived there for much longer and even became properly integrated with the local society and culture, some authors describing the Arabs of the Nile as having been "Nubianized". The characteristics of the Abdallabi attack on Alwa are more symbolic of a rebellion rather than an invasion in which total foreigners to a land overwhelm it through sheer force. The Abdallabi weren't total foreigners and had lived peacefully in Alwa for years, becoming a people part of the kingdom in citizenship and trade. Their worsened relations with the state and ruling class pushed them to the point of taking the kingdom for themselves.

Though this is one of the only instances of Arab bedouins in Sudan actually succeeding against native powers at all. So if we even did allow for you to mindlessly label it an "invasion", it'd be one instance, and very insignificant at that because not long after the "invasion", the invaders are then put back in their place and re-governed and powered over by native Sudanese people. Everywhere else you go in Sudan, Arab descendants are the product of Bedouins being absorbed by local groups and exchanging culture. Not remnants of invasion.

Yet more reasons to respect our Funj brothers

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Dumb question, Somalia is literally located below the Sahara. Even if Somalis were racially Arab-like, we’d still be Sub-Saharan because of geography.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

Yet more reasons to respect our Funj brothers

Funj was goated for riding out on the Arabs like that but I have a bitter relation with their sultans for being the first ones to introduce the degeneracy of Arab genealogical folklore into Sudan.

 

[johnsepei5]

I’ve noticed Sudanese clinging to east Africa it seems they don’t want to be apart of North Africa anymore

 

[Nilotic]

arent there some beja clans who can only speak arabic, and if thats the case, are you really beja anymore?

Yes, some clans have lost their original language, and with it, their identity; at this rate, the Beja will be completely Arabized in a generation or two.

 

[Khaem]

Yes, some clans have lost their original language, and with it, their identity; at this rate, the Beja will be completely Arabized in a generation or two.

This will be reversed by my Kushitic unification and restoration (circa. 2030)