Why is Somali GOV submissive to SL?

[Marshall D Abdi]

Same with Farmaajo, he even refused to publically discuss SSC.

Aint his mom Dblock

 

[Yami]

Why have a SNA base not been created in Goojacade and a Batallion created there? Which could be training Garxajiis,Dhulbahante and Diir/Gadabursii soldiers? Why has HSM not even tried creating and supporting a federal state for Awdal and Khatumo? completly quiet out there and tbh it's not only him every Somali Gov has been extremly submissive towards SL but very harsh on other federalstates which dont really make sense.

If the Somali Gov was able to gain controll of North Somalia from Awdal towards Galmudug it would not be a paper state like it is today. So why are there no thinkers in the GOV? It's blatant that the path too nation building should start from North where it would be easiest to govern.

We are landheer

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

@Thegoodshepherd what do you think

Ever since the FGS managed to exit the TFG phase in 2012, both Culusow and Farmaajo have chosen to play nice with Somaliland. They arrived at this policy from three different reasons.

Reason#1 why both Culusow and Farmaajo have chosen to play nice with Somaliland: the Dir have ~75 MPs/senators voting in presidential elections. They are single issue voters and only care about electing a president who is opposed to playing hardball with Somaliland. Even the cuck southern Dir are single issue voters on Somaliland. Farmaajo and Culusow cared more about not antagonizing this key voting block than about Somalia’s sovereignty.

Reason #2 why Farmaajo specifically chose to play nice with Somaliland: Farmaajo was a Marehan man, like MSB. This meant that he was very aware of how bad it would look if he took a hardline against Somaliland. He basically signed everything for them, offered them the capital and the presidency, and gave them an apology.

Reason#3 why Culusow specifically chose to play nice with Somaliland: HSM knows that Harti as a clan is large enough to be a huge problem if it resolved its issues with Isaaq and turned to look south. He remembers the kind of politics Harti played in koonfur politica prior to the Las Anod fiasco in 2007. When Harti was focused on koonfur, Hawiye had a hard time. HSM wanted to keep them distracted up north at the cost of damaging Somalia’s sovereignty by allowing Somaliland to position itself as equal to Somalia. HSM prioritized weakening Darod over making sure Somalia remains united.

Somalia has leaders who don’t understand the longterm at all. Most Somali leaders had no sense of urgency regarding Somaliland. I always thought that it was weird that the job of keeping Somalia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty intact was being done by the United States and not the FGS.

The SSC military defeat of Somaliland will, in the long run, be seen as the most important fact as to why Somalia did not lose its northern region. The FGS will be seen as a total failure.

 

[galhareeri]

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Ever since the FGS managed to exit the TFG phase in 2012, both Culusow and Farmaajo have chosen to play nice with Somaliland. They arrived at this policy from three different reasons.

Reason#1 why both Culusow and Farmaajo have chosen to play nice with Somaliland: the Dir have ~75 MPs/senators voting in presidential elections. They are single issue voters and only care about electing a president who is opposed to playing hardball with Somaliland. Even the cuck southern Dir are single issue voters on Somaliland. Farmaajo and Culusow cared more about not antagonizing this key voting block than about Somalia’s sovereignty.

Reason #2 why Farmaajo specifically chose to play nice with Somaliland: Farmaajo was a Marehan man, like MSB. This meant that he was very aware of how bad it would look if he took a hardline against Somaliland. He basically signed everything for them, offered them the capital and the presidency, and gave them an apology.

Reason#3 why Culusow specifically chose to play nice with Somaliland: HSM knows that Harti as a clan is large enough to be a huge problem if it resolved its issues with Isaaq and turned to look south. He remembers the kind of politics Harti played in koonfur politica prior to the Las Anod fiasco in 2007. When Harti was focused on koonfur, Hawiye had a hard time. HSM wanted to keep them distracted up north at the cost of damaging Somalia’s sovereignty by allowing Somaliland to position itself as equal to Somalia. HSM prioritized weakening Darod over making sure Somalia remains united.

Somalia has leaders who don’t understand the longterm at all. Most Somali leaders had no sense of urgency regarding Somaliland. I always thought that it was weird that the job of keeping Somalia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty intact was being done by the United States and not the FGS.

The SSC military defeat of Somaliland will, in the long run, be seen as the most important fact as to why Somalia did not lose its northern region. The FGS will be seen as a total failure.

Agree with isue of dir voting block.
But rememeber its time tonmove past 4.5 so as to make sure dir have no say in electio.
Also kheyre campaign isaaq played a role too hence why he was soft on snm

 

[Haragwaafi]

Why have a SNA base not been created in Goojacade and a Batallion created there? Which could be training Garxajiis,Dhulbahante and Diir/Gadabursii soldiers? Why has HSM not even tried creating and supporting a federal state for Awdal and Khatumo? completly quiet out there and tbh it's not only him every Somali Gov has been extremly submissive towards SL but very harsh on other federalstates which dont really make sense.

If the Somali Gov was able to gain controll of North Somalia from Awdal towards Galmudug it would not be a paper state like it is today. So why are there no thinkers in the GOV? It's blatant that the path too nation building should start from North where it would be easiest to govern.

Ya doctor PL doesn't allow any of Somalian institutions present in its territory including security forces such as the police and the military