When you are dealing with a group that has nothing to lose like those in Hargeisa, we need to be up in our game i always put my self in their shoes. Why are they wanting to go it alone. what caused it why did they first join the Somali republic in 1960 , and then how can w repair the union., i think we can get them back to join once we abolish the 4.5 system now as it stands they have no chance to be president and prime minister of the country this is an important factor.
Why do young Somalis in the west deny the Isaaq genocide but have unlimited concern for Gaza and Sudan?
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When you are dealing with a group that has nothing to lose like those in Hargeisa, we need to be up in our game i always put my self in their shoes. Why are they wanting to go it alone. what caused it why did they first join the Somali republic in 1960 , and then how can w repair the union., i think we can get them back to join once we abolish the 4.5 system now as it stands they have no chance to be president and prime minister of the country this is an important factor.
Idilinaa
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It really all goes back to the divide created by colonialism. The colonial powers centered almost all political and economic power in Mogadishu, which made the distant northern regions feel sidelined and disconnected.
The governments that came after independence did try to bridge that gap, but they lacked the resources and infrastructure to do it effectively , they inherited very little.
I think if Somalis everywhere recognized that we all share the same underlying desire , for local political participation, fairness, and reconciliation , it would make genuine unity and progress a lot more achievable.
3LetterzMM
LG gang we gon slide for my nigga π€π₯·
4.5 should be banned for plenty of reasons other than just that. Democracy is the way to go let the people vote and decide who they want leading them if isaaq want the seat for themselves they can put somebody in and rally up folks to hit the polls thatβs the beauty of democracy everyone has a fair chance to win itβs the man with the best policies that takes it home by winning over the neutral tribes votes. This country went to shit the moment our democracy got overthrown.
Iβve never denied it, I just donβt care about it.
why do u not care about ur fellow countrmen
They were fighting SSDF and my kinsmen in 79-84 like the good dogs they are, what goes around comes around lololol
Why do you think they have a monopoly on hurt? Many clans suffered under Kacaan and after the war; including clans that were massacred by the isaaq themselves.
Ever heard of the Dilla massacre perpetrated by the isaaq against gadabuursi?
This man recounts what isaaq did to people of Boorama - and, he asserts that what the isaaq did to Boorama was genocide, and not what was done to them by the kacaan.
BTW, I think the term massacre is more fitting to describe what Kacaan regime did but no one was genocided; not Isaaqs, not Daarood, not gudubiirsi and not Hawiye.
Ever heard of the Dilla massacre perpetrated by the isaaq against gadabuursi?
This man recounts what isaaq did to people of Boorama - and, he asserts that what the isaaq did to Boorama was genocide, and not what was done to them by the kacaan.
BTW, I think the term massacre is more fitting to describe what Kacaan regime did but no one was genocided; not Isaaqs, not Daarood, not gudubiirsi and not Hawiye.
How many people died in this genocide? For how long did it go?
No one can deny something that happened. Isaaq was massacred by the dictator and his army. I fully support their cause being recognised as a genocide by the state. I also support Digil and Mirifles cause of being recognised as a genocide by a somali militia and the same for Madow weyne. I hope what happened in the early days of the civil war never repeats in Somalilands IA.
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The SNM were a response to repression of Isaaq civilians by decades of economic starvation and a rise in killings and displacement from Pro Barre militia
who the Isaaq were fighting against the SSDF so are u ssaying the entire isaaq community were fighting the ssdf
This is what i mean somalis have selective mind yes sure the Gadabuursi to were massacared in dila no one saying that the gadabuursi shouldnt griev for the death of their kin , this how ever doesnt take away that the barre regime committed serious crimes against the people of Hargeisa one is not worse then the other, somalis have this selective mind , reer hebel wala dilay ana wala ii dilay , , we should make this about , what aboutism.
Ha i nabin. I never said Barre regime didn't commit serious crimes against the people of Hargeisa. I am rejecting the idea that "isaaq genocide" is uniquely forgotten or denied.
I have asked some my isaaq friends about this gadabuursi massacring and they all justified it. Even though we all know that gadabuursi are not Daarood/kacaan system and could not be held accountable ever for what the kacaan did. Your hypocrisy is just too obvious.
cunug3aad
3rdchild Β· Beelweynta Islaamiga
Every one suffered and every one committed atrocity and there is not one single group absolved of any blame. There is no single group or division or tribe that destroyed somalia other than somalis and as long as the entire populace does not recognise and understand that fact they will never get past step 1 of country building
Different figures but the estimates are in the low thousands, but that doesn't account for the people who got poisoned from the years that followed, as the Kacaan poisoned the wells.
One quote pertaining the attacks, but that doesn't factor in the many that were arrested and tortured beforehand and afterwards.
And these quotes only refer to Mudug and not Nugaal
Another quote from a Somali source below;
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NUGAAL
Over 250 houses destroyed
105 wells/water cachments destroyed + poisoned
450 people massacred (of course including women, children and elderly).
In the following places:
Kalabayr, Jalam, Eyl, Rabaable, Magacley, Maygaag, Sugulle, Ballidacar, Qamboobley.
MUDUG:
The following places were targeted for ethnic cleansing:
Ballibusle, Seemade, Qalaanqal, Gosol, Xarfo, Qorile-Dheere, Barde Gobol, Gacnafale, Bacaadweyn, Roox, Labagardaye, Sagaaro-doox, Dogob, Dudun, Galxamur,Laanmadow,Riigomane,Candho-dhexe, Bursaalax,Taaloole,Bayra,Nugaalgaban,
1500 houses burnt
350 water cachments destroyed and poisoned
Over 800 people massacred (of course including women, children and elderly).
The real reason why Somalis argue against each other about what is a genocide and isn't, is a common issue that has been covered by scholars.
Just because another Somali clan leader attempts to destroy a people, it will not be called a 'genocide'. But in reality, attacking a group, poisoning their wells etc, is called extermination/genocide. This is the real reason why many Somali and Africans do not meet the so-called criteria for 'genocide'. But go tell that to the survivors and their descendants !
Just because another Somali clan leader attempts to destroy a people, it will not be called a 'genocide'. But in reality, attacking a group, poisoning their wells etc, is called extermination/genocide. This is the real reason why many Somali and Africans do not meet the so-called criteria for 'genocide'. But go tell that to the survivors and their descendants !
First i am not bias towards any one i am not isaaq nor am i gadabuursi , its sad to see bad blood between the Dir communities lucky for the Somalis that they have reconciled about it , what i said what barre did to isaaq should be mentioned and there for it shoud also be mentioned that killings happened against the gadabuursi, thogh we could say we can talk about the scale , of the dilla massacre, i think they should talk about it every somali life lost in the war should be mentioned, so i think you missunderstood me
Vacelere
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I don't deny the genocide but I have problem when isaaq speak about it as there was no other massacres happened against other tribes by siad barre and his generals (who also came from different tribes) and the the genocide against the marehan with the fall of his rule.
Simply you aren't more special than the rest of us, the whole of Somalia bleed.
And tbh you guys didn't learn from this horrible event and did the same to your neighbours
I belive isaaqis shouldn't use this sad event as excuse to claim their so called republic.
Simply you aren't more special than the rest of us, the whole of Somalia bleed.
And tbh you guys didn't learn from this horrible event and did the same to your neighbours
I belive isaaqis shouldn't use this sad event as excuse to claim their so called republic.
More Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan??
3LetterzMM
LG gang we gon slide for my nigga π€π₯·
All those ducks he took moshed up his brain cells famMore Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan??
The issue at hand is this case dear lads why do we Somalis grow uncomfortable whenever the Isaaq speak of their genocide, however tragic it may be? Why is our immediate response to resort to whataboutism to bring up the suffering of the Rahanweyn, the Gadabuursi, or the Majeerteen? This tendency is precisely what is wrong.
I consider myself one of the staunchest opponents of Somalilandβs independence. I firmly believe that our economy, our security, our markets indeed, our very survival are best safeguarded through unity as one nation. Yet, I must commend Somaliland for its free elections, for reconciling its clans, and for the establishment of the Guurti. These are achievements worthy of respect indeed and that we can learn from in the broader Somali context.
However, we must not feel uneasy when the subject of the Isaaq genocide arises. I have never witnessed Somalilanders, unprovoked, claim that other atrocities are of lesser importance. So why is it that we respond defensively, deflecting with comparisons whenever this painful chapter is mentioned?
If we truly wish to reconcile our past with our future, this is a cornerstone issue that must be confronted openly and honestly. No one is saying that Siad Barre himself or any single clan alone was responsible; it was the regime, a state machinery that committed those crimes. Therefore, why do we, as Somalis, find it so difficult to face this truth without discomfort? xaasha somali sidan ku ma badbaadi karto
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