Why do young Somalis in the west deny the Isaaq genocide but have unlimited concern for Gaza and Sudan?

[AbrahamFreedom]

Its clearly due to qabyalaad and kids have been poisoned by their qabiilist parents, primarily in America.

More Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan. Hargeisa and Burco were close to 100% destroyed. Not only is there no regret for it happening but people deny it even happened.

I think the Somalianlanders online are motivated to hit back and work with the rightwing due to this denial. Imagine how different the environment would be if Somalians were just honest and regretful about the past and move forward.

 

[Caaro]

Ok in their defense the majority of Somalis online supporting gaza and Palestine are zoomers born more than a decade after the civil war.

Meanwhile the Israel conflict is happening as we speak.

What do you want them to do? Condemn a genocide 30 years ago and then what?

I genuinely want to know what you expect or want from Somalis in the west to do about the isaaq genocide today.

 

[SomaliSteel]

No one denies there was mass killings, Barre ordered many across Somalia massacred, including other darood clans. Online Issaq are in no way motivated by that. 60% of Somalis alive now were born after 91, all of it is qabilyaad. No other reason. Genocide is a very technical term to describe something specific. The people arguing on twitter were not born yet.

Gaza and Sudan are happening now in the internet age where these youth are active. We have no love for the Tigray people but we acknowledge what happened to them in the recent war, even here on this site. If we recognize that you think Somalis would ignore dead Somalis?

People forget we are a young people with 75% of Somalis being under 35. I doubt most even know most of the events of the civil war unless you research it yourself.

 

[caano_shaah]

We have a very young global population which means most of the Somalis that are alive today weren't even alive when the mass killings happened to multiple qabiils so how do you expect them to know about it let alone condemn it. Meanwhile the Gaza and Sudan genocides are happening as we speak.

 

[The alchemist]

For one, go to Isaaqs, and they most definitely care. Though if you talk to other people, you will get a range of wicked reactions that go from celebrating it, to outright willful denial, and the "it was not that bad and your tribe is not innocent, though" -- with most having varying shades of underlying tribalist contempt, whereas a sizable minority holds full acknowledgment.

Secondly, and this is very important, the Palestinian genocide and the war and massacres in Sudan are ongoing.

 

[suda51]

It didn’t happen.

 

[3LetterzMM]

Firstly no one denies it and secondly the genocide in Sudan and Palestine are happening as we speak the Hargeisa bombings was back inda 80s lastly this shyt gets brought up by isaaqs all the time it’s their main talking point when they explain why they want independence open up ur ears and you’ll hear people talking about it that shit honestly gets too much attention and here you are saying no one mentions it. The real question is why don’t Somalis ever have a conversation about the atrocities that happened to Rahanweyn Hawiye and MJ tons of them also got killed but I never hear Somalis talk about that. Your just tryna stir shit up and it’s so obvious bro at least try to be more discreet about it next time.

 

[Idilinaa]

There needs to be a genuine national region wide reconciliation, in my opinion:

Once we achieve genuine social reconciliation , where every group, large or small, shares their pain and feels heard , the toxic clan blame-game and hate narratives dominating online/political discourse will fade. Forgiveness and acknowledgement will allow us to rebuild collective civic unity.

That’s why I keep saying Somalia needs something similar to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission established in the Ogaden region:

trc-in-somali-regional-state

srstrc.org

This would mean reparations, justice, and recognition for victims , not just sweeping the past under the rug. Only then will online/political rhetoric about “Majerteen this,” “Darood that,”, "Reer Banadiri/Xamar that" or “Hawiye/Isaaq/Raxanweyn/etc” finally lose its grip. I never take part in that toxic discourse because I understand it’s rooted in unrepaired trauma.

Over time, as economic needs are consistently met (through public welfare and stability), people will rely less on clan/family networks for survival/support. Clan identity will gradually shift to the background while towns, cities, and regions take center stage in how people define themselves.

 

[Man with a garuun]

There hasn't been an Isaaq genocide. The Somali National Army (SNA) responded veraciously to the SNM attack in 1988 - 1989; however, there haven't been systematic massacres carried out by the Somali military against Isaaq civilians similar or even closer to the Rwandan genocide against Tutsis.

The Isaaq genocide is a myth perpetuated by the supporters of the "Somaliland" secession.

In fact, the closest tragedy to genocide in Somalia occurred in the 1990s against the Digil and Mirifle and Jarerweyne communities after Somali militias prevented the food aid from reaching them.

 

[Jaffar]

Simply because somalis are narrow minded they view things from their own clan perspective

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

There hasn't been an Isaaq genocide. The Somali National Army (SNA) responded veraciously to the SNM attack in 1988 - 1989; however, there haven't been systematic massacres carried out by the Somali military against Isaaq civilians similar or even closer to the Rwandan genocide against Tutsis.

The Isaaq genocide is a myth perpetuated by the supporters of the "Somaliland" secession.

In fact, the closest tragedy to genocide in Somalia occurred in the 1990s against the Digil and Mirifle and Jarerweyne communities after Somali militias prevented the food aid from reaching them.

What do you call what the Kacaan did to MJs?

 

[Jaffar]

There hasn't been an Isaaq genocide. The Somali National Army (SNA) responded veraciously to the SNM attack in 1988 - 1989; however, there haven't been systematic massacres carried out by the Somali military against Isaaq civilians similar or even closer to the Rwandan genocide against Tutsis.

The Isaaq genocide is a myth perpetuated by the supporters of the "Somaliland" secession.

In fact, the closest tragedy to genocide in Somalia occurred in the 1990s against the Digil and Mirifle and Jarerweyne communities after Somali militias prevented the food aid from reaching them.

The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and Genocide Watch also list the Isaaq genocide as one of Africa’s major 20th-century genocides.

i think it was pretty much a genocide i hate to see it i am actually admire president siad barre for his reign but this is where he messed up and this is what broke up our country. he attacked the entire population of the north , what were u expecting if u bomb a city such as hargeisa, I think what makes the isaaq gencoide so awfull it really damaged the cohesion of the somali state for the next decades. there is no repairing. and ur not helping it by deneying it we can move forward once we accept it appoligse and move foward and build a nation again., the digil miriifle starvation was bad also , but that was done by warlords how tragic it may be , also aideed didn intend to do all of this how bad it was to withhold aid. but intend is important in genocide.i read reports the somali fighter jets were chasing refugees all the way inside ethiopia and bombing them there was a clear target if you ask me. if this war never happened somalia would be a great nation today and every one ws happy.

 

[3LetterzMM]

There needs to be a genuine national region wide reconciliation, in my opinion:

It’s impossible no one will ever give SL a single crumb as long as they’re still going for independence because as of right now they’re an active threat to the country and it’d be political suicide to offer them any type of reparations doesn’t matter if it’s deserved putting money in SL pockets rn is putting bullets in their clip so they can shoot us. Once they drop the independence talks only then can reparations be negotiated and we can open up the door to discourse.

 

[Jaffar]

It’s impossible no one will ever give SL a single crumb as long as they’re still going for independence because as of right now they’re an active threat to the country and it’d be political suicide to offer them any type of reparations doesn’t matter if it’s deserved putting money in SL pockets rn is putting bullets in their clip so they can shoot us. Once they drop the independence talks only then can reparations be negotiated and we can open up the door to discourse.

that isnst going to work we have to give them incentive so that they want to be part of Somalia again
its for us the unionist to make the union actractive as far as they are concern they gone they want out, we are saying dont go we are better of united., if we say we are not gonne recognise their genocide and give incentive how are we going to win them over. i dont mind if we throw msb under the bus and his legacy if it takes to have a unified nation to he is dead any way we need to think about the future and the survival of the somali race.

 

[Idilinaa]

It’s impossible no one will ever give SL a single crumb as long as they’re still going for independence because as of right now they’re an active threat to the country and it’d be political suicide to offer them any type of reparations doesn’t matter if it’s deserved putting money in SL pockets rn is putting bullets in their clip so they can shoot us. Once they drop the independence talks only then can reparations be negotiated and we can open up the door to discourse.

I am not talking about political accommodation, i was also talking about grass roots community-to community reconciliation region wide between all Somalis and that Somalis create a commision to investigation of violence and reconciliation.

"Highlighted the need for direct , community-to-community reconciliation. It was abundantly clear that what people wanted was not political accommocation but genuine national recognition that heals the scars of the civil war"

 

[reer]

I am not talking about political accommodation, i was also talking about grass roots community-to community reconciliation region wide between all Somalis and that Somalis create a commision to investigation of violence and reconciliation.

"Highlighted the need for direct , community-to-community reconciliation. It was abundantly clear that what people wanted was not political accommocation but genuine national recognition that heals the scars of the civil war"
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sorry bro what youve mentioned is virtue signaling. how would you go about it?

 

[Idilinaa]

sorry bro what youve mentioned is virtue signaling. how would you go about it?

I literally gave an example of how a Somali region achieved this.

Its not virtue signaling its a study that surveyed people from across Somalia and they expressed that desire for social reconciliation.

 

[Man with a garuun]

What do you call what the Kacaan did to MJs?

Violent military-led suppression and crimes committed against civilians because they belonged to a particular Somali clan.

That being said, we need to understand that the genocide has a special bar to meet (https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition). Actions carried out by the Somali military under the former military regime to suppress the support base of armed opposition groups, as much as painful and heinous it was, did not meet that bar.

For instance, in the Rwandan Genocide, every Tutsi man, woman, and child was targeted regardless of their profession and association with the government. Even poor farmers were not spared. These were planned massacres carried out within a few weeks and a million people were killed.

In Gaza, Israel closed off all exists and denied food from getting in, then carried out massive land, aerial, and naval campaign to kill everyone in sight.

Both Rwandan tragedy and Gaza clearly fit the definition of genocide.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Violent military-led suppression and crimes committed against civilians because they belonged to a particular Somali clan.

That being said, we need to understand that the genocide has a special bar to meet (https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition). Actions carried out by the Somali military under the former military regime to suppress the support base of armed opposition groups, as much as painful and heinous it was, did not meet that bar.

For instance, in Genocide, every Tutsi man, woman, and children was targeted regardless of their profession and association with the government. Even poor farmers were nor spared. These were planned massacres carried out within a few weeks and a million people were killed.

In Gaza, Israel closed off all exists and denied food from getting in, then carried out massive air, aerial, and naval campaign to kill everyone insight.

Both Rwandan tragedy and Gaza clearly fit the definition of genocide.

The Kacaan poisoned wells- there is no life without water, as you well know. Not to mention murdering people, raping women and destroying houses. This was a scorched earth policy.

Particularly when intended towards one heritage group DOES meet the definition of a genocide.

 

[3LetterzMM]

that isnst going to work we have to give them incentive so that they want to be part of Somalia again
its for us the unionist to make the union actractive as far as they are concern they gone they want out, we are saying dont go we are better of united., if we say we are not gonne recognise their genocide and give incentive how are we going to win them over. i dont mind if we throw msb under the bus and his legacy if it takes to have a unified nation to he is dead any way we need to think about the future and the survival of the somali race.

Offer them actual power in the govt while also retaining full autonomy of their state on the condition that they drop the talks immediately after all waqooyi feeling alienated from konfuur was what started everything in the first place. After that we can sit down and have further dialogue which would include public apologies reparations and further initiatives. Either they accept these terms or we go back to the status quo they aren’t in a position where they can dictate terms.

I am not talking about political accommodation, i was also talking about grass roots community-to community reconciliation region wide between all Somalis and that Somalis create a commision to investigation of violence and reconciliation.

"Highlighted the need for direct , community-to-community reconciliation. It was abundantly clear that what people wanted was not political accommocation but genuine national recognition that heals the scars of the civil war"
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Thats a good idea ngl