why do some madows do this

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Religious freedom for who?

Muslim women who want to be "empowered" by taking off the hijab! Gay "imams".

Religious freedom for Muslims who want to water down their Islam and alter it to be in line with ideologies pushed by Jews and white liberals.

I don't deny that white people are racist and I avoid dealing with them.

However, I believe Kurolady was absolutely correct in this:




but that being said......

I am not interested in hanging around the down South white people.

There are so many black and brown people down South who are interesting people who are worth knowing and there are areas where's not all that many white people.

I'm from Texas. I would want to go live in a Latin area near the border in Texas. You'll meet very kind, deeply religious people.

A Muslim must navigate both liberal and conservative sensibilities equally in America. In both groups their exposure to Islam is limited..

As far as liberal feminist agenda goes. It depends. In america, women suffer from pay bias, so equal pay helps them economically. They deal with sexual harassment in the work place so holding men who can't control their hands accountable is legit demand. Just to mention few feminist agenda that work positively in favor of women. There is good and bad in Liberalism. From economics to culture, you pick and choose what is acceptable to you as a Muslim.

As far as Muslims are concerned, it is their responsibility to be truthful to Islam and about Islam, to be knowledgeable of what is acceptable in Islam as a religion, and live as a Muslim. A Muslim's decision on practicing Islam and what is Islamic would have Nothing to do with a liberal person's views. So a liberal agenda can be opposite of Islam but it is for the Muslim to adhere to Islam and object to a liberal view that contradicts their faith.

 

[Tukraq]

Did you read the wiki quote? Cause Alaska is the most northern state and Minnesota second most according to them, get it?

And from where I sit

Bullshit, Washington and Maine are further north than Minnesota, I’m currently further north than Toronto in seattle “Seattle is also futher north than most major Canadian cities: Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City. The cities in”

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Bullshit, Washington and Maine are further north than Minnesota, I’m currently further north than Toronto in seattle “Seattle is also futher north than most major Canadian cities: Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City. The cities in”

Blame wiki sxb. All things relative still. To where I am, Seattle is parallel to us. A line drawn from Minneapolis straight to the left as you look at the map will run through Seattle, yet, MN is considered second most northern state after Alaska.

 

[Tukraq]

Blame wiki sxb. All things relative still. To where I am, Seattle is parallel to us. A line drawn from Minneapolis straight to the left as you look at the map will run through Seattle, yet, MN is considered second most northern state after Alaska.

Sxb it’s not, check a map

Seattle is further north than Minneapolis, heck even Portland Oregon is

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Sxb it’s not, check a mapView attachment 87686
Seattle is further north than Minneapolis, heck even Portland Oregon is

Except you forgot the earth is curved and global, so the map is not flat. You are looking at a western state and argue it is Northern. May be Seattle has more corporate presence and thus wins a favor with you? Okay, I get it.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Tukraq,


I asked the question "which state is further north, MN or WA? Look at the answer below

Northernmoststate = MINNESOTA
Westernmoststate = WASHINGTON

 

[Omar del Sur]

A Muslim must navigate both liberal and conservative sensibilities equally in America. In both groups their exposure to Islam is limited..

As far as liberal feminist agenda goes. It depends. In america, women suffer from pay bias, so equal pay helps them economically. They deal with sexual harassment in the work place so holding men who can't control their hands accountable is legit demand. Just to mention few feminist agenda that work positively in favor of women. There is good and bad in Liberalism. From economics to culture, you pick and choose what is acceptable to you as a Muslim.

As far as Muslims are concerned, it is their responsibility to be truthful to Islam and about Islam, to be knowledgeable of what is acceptable in Islam as a religion, and live as a Muslim. A Muslim's decision on practicing Islam and what is Islamic would have Nothing to do with a liberal person's views. So a liberal agenda can be opposite of Islam but it is for the Muslim to adhere to Islam and object to a liberal view that contradicts their faith.

Are you talking about the actual people (rather than abstract ideology)?

My viewpoint as far as the actual people go is to avoid being all that close with non-Muslims.

I don't need to navigate any kaffir's sensibilities. I need to navigate my religion's sensibilities.

As far as people go,"hi, bye" and such is my mentality. I try to be polite but I don't really talk to them.

You believe in the alleged wage gap being an issue? Women should be in the home anyways.

From a Quranic perspective, a woman should be in the home. There are widows and other cases which are exceptions but generally women should be in the home.

The emphasis on getting women in the workplace is straight out of The Feminist Mystique by Naomi Goldstein ("Betty Friedan").

This is already an issue where the liberals have got you to weaken.

The Quran warns us against the people trying to get us to water down and weaken our position

They wish that you would soften [in your position], so they would soften [toward you].

-Surah Al-Qalam [68:9]

From a purely Quranic standpoint, uninfluenced by any modern ideologies, women should be in the home. I am not talking about "but what if" exceptions.... but in general she should be in the home.

And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance.

-Surah Al-Azhab 33:33

Islam is inherently conservative. It isn't white and it isn't neoconservative. But it is inherently conservative.

If you're going to live near liberals, don't let them influence you.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Are you talking about the actual people (rather than abstract ideology)?

My viewpoint as far as the actual people go is to avoid being all that close with non-Muslims.

I don't need to navigate any kaffir's sensibilities. I need to navigate my religion's sensibilities.

As far as people go,"hi, bye" and such is my mentality. I try to be polite but I don't really talk to them.

You believe in the alleged wage gap being an issue? Women should be in the home anyways.

From a Quranic perspective, a woman should be in the home. There are widows and other cases which are exceptions but generally women should be in the home.

The emphasis on getting women in the workplace is straight out of The Feminist Mystique by Naomi Goldstein ("Betty Friedan").

This is already an issue where the liberals have got you to weaken.

The Quran warns us against the people trying to get us to water down and weaken our position

They wish that you would soften [in your position], so they would soften [toward you].

-Surah Al-Qalam [68:9]

From a purely Quranic standpoint, uninfluenced by any modern ideologies, women should be in the home. I am not talking about "but what if" exceptions.... but in general she should be in the home.

And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance.

-Surah Al-Azhab 33:33

Islam is inherently conservative. It isn't white and it isn't neoconservative. But it is inherently conservative.

If you're going to live near liberals, don't let them influence you.

"This is already an issue where the liberals have got you to weaken."

 

[Omar del Sur]

"This is already an issue where the liberals have got you to weaken."

"This is already an issue where the liberals have got you to weaken."

Is that Islamic for you to respond in that insulting way? With pictures of laughter?

You are clearly signifying exactly what the Quran says not to do.

O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

-Surah Al-Hujurat

Are you not aware of that verse? Did you forget about it? Or maybe you don't take the Quran all that seriously and you're not pious. I'm not saying that's the case but it could be that you really don't take it all that seriously and that's why the liberals don't really bother you.

If religion is everything to you and religion is the number one issue hanging out with a bunch of atheists might make you uncomfortable.

Honestly, it should make you uncomfortable.

But I think a lot of the people who identify with religion.... and who defend liberalism.... a lot of times in my experience their behavior seems strangely in contradiction to their claimed beliefs. It may be that they claim religion but that religion is actually a side issue for them and God is not the most important issue for them.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Are you talking about the actual people (rather than abstract ideology)?

My viewpoint as far as the actual people go is to avoid being all that close with non-Muslims.

I don't need to navigate any kaffir's sensibilities. I need to navigate my religion's sensibilities.

As far as people go,"hi, bye" and such is my mentality. I try to be polite but I don't really talk to them.

You believe in the alleged wage gap being an issue? Women should be in the home anyways.

From a Quranic perspective, a woman should be in the home. There are widows and other cases which are exceptions but generally women should be in the home.

The emphasis on getting women in the workplace is straight out of The Feminist Mystique by Naomi Goldstein ("Betty Friedan").

This is already an issue where the liberals have got you to weaken.

The Quran warns us against the people trying to get us to water down and weaken our position

They wish that you would soften [in your position], so they would soften [toward you].

-Surah Al-Qalam [68:9]

From a purely Quranic standpoint, uninfluenced by any modern ideologies, women should be in the home. I am not talking about "but what if" exceptions.... but in general she should be in the home.

And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance.

-Surah Al-Azhab 33:33

Islam is inherently conservative. It isn't white and it isn't neoconservative. But it is inherently conservative.

If you're going to live near liberals, don't let them influence you.

Better be approachable and friendly if you are a Muslim. One constant praise from non-Muslims and about Muslims is how nice majority of Muslims they have interacted with were to their surprise. These people expected an uptight, unfriendly and death-to-infidel yelling Muslims. So it is a surprise when they find out Muslims are personable and kind in general.

As far as interactions with non-Muslims are concerned, there are coworkers, classmates, etc. Each setting will require you to maintain civility and cordial relationship with them despite their lack of faith or non-muslim faith. That is what Islam asks of Muslims really, to be reps for their faith and conduct themselves better than everyone.

I am friends with my coworkers at work but do not have friends outside work including Somalis. Not my personality. I refer to some of them coworkers as "Bro" despite them being whites. They know I am Muslim and Somali. They ask me everything about Islam and Somalis. I have given two Quranic translation copies, one to an atheist and another to a die-hard Trump voting evangelical. They equally respect me as a Muslim and we debated many times before. I have responsibility towards both and would help them if they need my help. I would also defend them from another Muslim who out of aggression would harm them. All my actions are in line with Islam sxb.

I practice kindness and generosity to others who deserve. I fight those who declare me personalty as their enemy and want to harm me. And I have had my share of heated arguments with some before after they thought they could bs me over something.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Better be approachable and friendly if you are a Muslim. One constant praise from non-Muslims and about Muslims is how nice majority of Muslims they have interacted with were to their surprise. These people expected an uptight, unfriendly and death-to-infidel yelling Muslims. So it is a surprise when they find out Muslims are personable and kind in general.

As far as interactions with non-Muslims are concerned, there are coworkers, classmates, etc. Each setting will require you to maintain civility and cordial relationship with them despite their lack of faith or non-muslim faith. That is what Islam asks of Muslims really, to be reps for their faith and conduct themselves better than everyone.

I am friends with my coworkers at work but do not have friends outside work including Somalis. Not my personality. I refer to some of them coworkers as "Bro" despite them being whites. They know I am Muslim and Somali. They ask me everything about Islam and Somalis. I have given two Quranic translation copies, one to an atheist and another to a die-hard Trump voting evangelical. They equally respect me as a Muslim and we debated many times before. I have responsibility towards both and would help them if they need my help. I would also defend them from another Muslim who out of aggression would harm them. All my actions are in line with Islam sxb.

I practice kindness and generosity to others who deserve. I fight those who declare me personalty as their enemy. And I have had my share of heated arguments with some before after they thought they could bs me over something.

You did clearly and openly go against the Quran in your response to me.

I don't try to belittle and humiliate you because you think differently.

And btw I believe this is a part of our culture as Southerners. You basically recited verbatim the feminist talking point about "the wage gap," I disagreed with the feminist-derived talking point and you responded by trying to mock me.

This is something that is very different if you go to the blue areas versus if you go to Texas. In Texas, you can go there and tell them about the "wage gap" and the down South people will respectfully differ. You differ with the blue state liberals and they will try to shame you for thinking differently and having an alternative point of view.

I think the liberals lack in character and are boorish, lacking in manners. I have accused them of being barbarians and people from the South who have travelled here have agreed.

Yet people from liberal areas who have travelled to where I'm from have told me that the people where I'm from are polite and have better manners and that the people in the blue area are rude.

I believe that manners and politeness are important and that the valuing of them help distinguish those who are God-fearing and have piety.

And ultimately, it is our piety that is most important at the end of the day.

 

[Omar del Sur]

also btw I want to be clear that whether a person is white has nothing to do in itself with whether that person is my brother......

but being close with the kuffar is a gateway for allowing them to poison your mind

a white man is my brother, provided that he is a Muslim..... it just so happens that most white people are not Muslim.... the issue is not their skin.... it is their disbelief

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

Is that Islamic for you to respond in that insulting way? With pictures of laughter?

You are clearly signifying exactly what the Quran says not to do.

O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

-Surah Al-Hujurat

Are you not aware of that verse? Did you forget about it? Or maybe you don't take the Quran all that seriously and you're not pious. I'm not saying that's the case but it could be that you really don't take it all that seriously and that's why the liberals don't really bother you.

If religion is everything to you and religion is the number one issue hanging out with a bunch of atheists might make you uncomfortable.

Honestly, it should make you uncomfortable.

But I think a lot of the people who identify with religion.... and who defend liberalism.... a lot of times in my experience their behavior seems strangely in contradiction to their claimed beliefs. It may be that they claim religion but that religion is actually a side issue for them and God is not the most important issue for them.

I am not pious and i wouldn't take anyone who told me they were pious seriously saxib. Also, I am not uncomfortable being around people at all no matter what race or religion they belong to. By virtue of them being non-Muslims doesn't make me feel uncomfortable with them because they are human beings. Also, I didn't choose to be a Muslim but Allah granted me that as a gift through my parents. So to despise others who were born into their respective cultures and religions is short-sighted. I could be them innocent and not knowing what Islam is. So I am seeing themselves from their perspective and them needing someone to educate them about Islam instead of being shunned or despised for ignorance and not knowing what Islam is.

Also, Allah is the judge of everyone, not you or me are assigned to be the judge of others, nor can we decide the fate of anyone including ourselves.. Only Allah knows where each person will end up. As far as me doing something contradictory to Islam, who isn't including you? You may think you are correct all the time, but I don't think that way and that I am correct and perfect all the time, because I am not. Good luck to you though in your assumptions about you being perfect or correct all the time. That means you have no room to learn and self-correct, but I do have tons of holes I need to plug and I am a Muslim by conviction.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

also btw I want to be clear that whether a person is white has nothing to do in itself with whether that person is my brother......

but being close with the kuffar is a gateway for allowing them to poison your mind

a white man is my brother, provided that he is a Muslim..... it just so happens that most white people are not Muslim.... the issue is not their skin.... it is their disbelief

You are wrong about being close to someone who doesn't share your faith. Your parents can be a non-Muslim but you must be good to them. Only time you disobey them is if they call you to disobey Allah.

It would be stupid to hate them if they aren't fighting you for your faith. And even then, when they show hostility, it is better for you as their son to be patient and not match their hostility.

Patience and kindness are good virtues of Islam. Focusing on hatred and isolation does no good to anybody.

I have better things to do than to worry about other people's lack of faith. Allah guides whom he wills.

 

[ZakWantsToPlay]

also btw I want to be clear that whether a person is white has nothing to do in itself with whether that person is my brother......

but being close with the kuffar is a gateway for allowing them to poison your mind

a white man is my brother, provided that he is a Muslim..... it just so happens that most white people are not Muslim.... the issue is not their skin.... it is their disbelief

That is your personal choice to draw a line on the sand like that. That is one option among many others in Islam. Not for me.