Why blind "unionists" are the Problem of Somalia

I have noticed that many Somalis are blind unionists. These people have all one common characteristic, which is to ignore the reality that exits.

First of all, we have to question, if union is always the solution for every problem ? Many Somalis use as an example Germany. It might be true that the German union in 1871 made them the strongest power in the world at that time. But what was the key for this union ? Before the German union, Germany existed as a confederation of Federal States (actually kingdoms). The two strongest States were Preußen and Austria-Ungarn and they were always competing with each other. The Bundeskanzler of Preußen Otto von Bismarck understood very quickly that there is no hope for a united Germany with both States, because of their rivalry. So what did he do ? He and his State Preußen provoked Austria and invaded it in a war. After the victory of Preußen over Austria Ungarn, Bismarck put the famous condition on Austria, that they are not allowed to join the new German country in the coming union. But he made clear Austria-Ungarn will be Germanys little brother and in both world wars they fought side on side. Bismarck is not a hero because of the German union. He is a hero because he managed to create a united Germany under a Hegemony of his state Preußen and he managed to keep Austria-Ungarn as loyal little brother. This is what you expect from a wise politician. So he analysed the situation and made the best of it.

What is the situation of Somalia today ? Somalia is mainly divided into three parts. The first part is Somaliland in the North, which has developed in the last 30 years every condition to become a country, but they are still not recognized. There is no hope that Somaliland comes back, the people and politicians are very strong in their cause. The second part is Puntland, a state, which want to be Part of a Federal system and has progressed the last 20 years with peace and statehood. Puntland will never accept a central state, because of what happened in the Mudug massacre. The third part of the country is lawless, unfortunately because of many years of wars. No where is anything near statehood and i refuse to call the other 4 states as states because they are actually not. The south has many thousands of foreign soldiers, terrorists and no structures at all. They south is not suitable for a federal system, because of the clan diversity and actually most southerners don't believe in Federalism, the most prominent one is The admin of Xamar, who spits on this law constantly. You see how much problems the Puntland has with the FGS since 2012. This status quo made it possible that we (all of us !!) are today the dogs and puppets of Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians.

In my humble opinion these fake unionists people are the real curse of Somalia. They never talk about what is reality in Somalia, but about their wishes and dreams. They always try to belittle Somaliland and Puntland and every community wich wanna destiny its own fate and they play down the actual problems we face. Some of them even wanna convince us that Farmaajo for example, who rules one street with foreign help, has developed the country so much that he needs another few years more to solve all our problems. They are not interested in facts and that every year the situation is getting worse and worse and the country is splitted mote than ever. Everyone else who tries to actually analyse the situation and looks for a solution for his community is a Somalidiid, Qarandumis, Qabyalist and many more. With Fake unionists i am not talking about certain tribes. You have Isaaq, Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Dir and every community, who are of them.

I have one question to yall. If you were asked to create a master plan for Somalia to solve our problems, like Otto von Bismarck did for Germany, what would be your plan ?
 

Apophis

Daludug Above all
VIP
Thier only answer is midnimada umaada somaliyeed waa muqadas. Well great, but how do we get there nacala kuyaal? No answer. All emotions with no solutions. Lets us all stick to the same train that we all know leads no where but over a cliff. We PLers come with federalism, it might not be perfect, but its something that can work if we all sincere. Or come up with something we can all compromise with but staying on the same route is insane.
 

Apophis

Daludug Above all
VIP
Tedakale adeer, we are not against centralism because of "mudug massacre". We all saw how everyone suffered due to all somalis putting all thier eggs in one city. Our home regions were all one hut tulos. The biggest benefit of Federalism is it makes people concentrate on thier home regions and not a city state.
 

nine

VIP
I have noticed that many Somalis are blind unionists. These people have all one common characteristic, which is to ignore the reality that exits.

First of all, we have to question, if union is always the solution for every problem ? Many Somalis use as an example Germany. It might be true that the German union in 1871 made them the strongest power in the world at that time. But what was the key for this union ? Before the German union, Germany existed as a confederation of Federal States (actually kingdoms). The two strongest States were Preußen and Austria-Ungarn and they were always competing with each other. The Bundeskanzler of Preußen Otto von Bismarck understood very quickly that there is no hope for a united Germany with both States, because of their rivalry. So what did he do ? He and his State Preußen provoked Austria and invaded it in a war. After the victory of Preußen over Austria Ungarn, Bismarck put the famous condition on Austria, that they are not allowed to join the new German country in the coming union. But he made clear Austria-Ungarn will be Germanys little brother and in both world wars they fought side on side. Bismarck is not a hero because of the German union. He is a hero because he managed to create a united Germany under a Hegemony of his state Preußen and he managed to keep Austria-Ungarn as loyal little brother. This is what you expect from a wise politician. So he analysed the situation and made the best of it.

What is the situation of Somalia today ? Somalia is mainly divided into three parts. The first part is Somaliland in the North, which has developed in the last 30 years every condition to become a country, but they are still not recognized. There is no hope that Somaliland comes back, the people and politicians are very strong in their cause. The second part is Puntland, a state, which want to be Part of a Federal system and has progressed the last 20 years with peace and statehood. Puntland will never accept a central state, because of what happened in the Mudug massacre. The third part of the country is lawless, unfortunately because of many years of wars. No where is anything near statehood and i refuse to call the other 4 states as states because they are actually not. The south has many thousands of foreign soldiers, terrorists and no structures at all. They south is not suitable for a federal system, because of the clan diversity and actually most southerners don't believe in Federalism, the most prominent one is The admin of Xamar, who spits on this law constantly. You see how much problems the Puntland has with the FGS since 2012. This status quo made it possible that we (all of us !!) are today the dogs and puppets of Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians.

In my humble opinion these fake unionists people are the real curse of Somalia. They never talk about what is reality in Somalia, but about their wishes and dreams. They always try to belittle Somaliland and Puntland and every community wich wanna destiny its own fate and they play down the actual problems we face. Some of them even wanna convince us that Farmaajo for example, who rules one street with foreign help, has developed the country so much that he needs another few years more to solve all our problems. They are not interested in facts and that every year the situation is getting worse and worse and the country is splitted mote than ever. Everyone else who tries to actually analyse the situation and looks for a solution for his community is a Somalidiid, Qarandumis, Qabyalist and many more. With Fake unionists i am not talking about certain tribes. You have Isaaq, Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Dir and every community, who are of them.

I have one question to yall. If you were asked to create a master plan for Somalia to solve our problems, like Otto von Bismarck did for Germany, what would be your plan ?
Under Hitler Germany went from being weak and having fresh wounds from a karbash to having the British practically hand over Poland to them while they went on a rampage in Europe and sitting down with Russia on how to divide the Balkan countries.
Germany is not a good example. Germans are not Somalis. Germany functioned under both types.

However I do agree with you on PL, SL and the south. PL and SL are functioning maamuls while the south isn't. Crazy people need someone to calm them down.

Federalism can work past the Galkayo line. Those people aren't tied to Xamar they can be more focused on themselves. It means whatever issue happens in GM, SW or JL, Xamar can slip in because local clan(s) are politically and/or economically connected to the capital.
Thier only answer is midnimada umaada somaliyeed waa muqadas. Well great, but how do we get there nacala kuyaal? No answer. All emotions with no solutions. Lets us all stick to the same train that we all know leads no where but over a cliff. We PLers come with federalism, it might not be perfect, but its something that can work if we all sincere. Or come up with something we can all compromise with but staying on the same route is insane.
There are more clans native to the Shabelle Valley than SL maybe even SL + PL combined. This is one reason why federalism is much more suitable for PL and SL.
I give up on the south. I wanna eat good and live in qurbaha for the rest of my life.

@embarassing i tag you, because after i mentioned Farmaajo once in my text, you would asnwer anyway. :salute:
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There are more clans native to the Shabelle Valley than SL maybe even SL + PL combined. This is one reason why federalism is much more suitable for PL and SL.
I give up on the south. I wanna eat good and live in qurbaha for the rest of my life.


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Who lives at Shabelle river? Somaliland is about 15 clans btw. Dulbahante, warsangeli, Ciise, Gadabuursi, Isaaq(8 clans),Fiqishiini, Tumaal..few more
 
I have noticed that many Somalis are blind unionists. These people have all one common characteristic, which is to ignore the reality that exits.

First of all, we have to question, if union is always the solution for every problem ? Many Somalis use as an example Germany. It might be true that the German union in 1871 made them the strongest power in the world at that time. But what was the key for this union ? Before the German union, Germany existed as a confederation of Federal States (actually kingdoms). The two strongest States were Preußen and Austria-Ungarn and they were always competing with each other. The Bundeskanzler of Preußen Otto von Bismarck understood very quickly that there is no hope for a united Germany with both States, because of their rivalry. So what did he do ? He and his State Preußen provoked Austria and invaded it in a war. After the victory of Preußen over Austria Ungarn, Bismarck put the famous condition on Austria, that they are not allowed to join the new German country in the coming union. But he made clear Austria-Ungarn will be Germanys little brother and in both world wars they fought side on side. Bismarck is not a hero because of the German union. He is a hero because he managed to create a united Germany under a Hegemony of his state Preußen and he managed to keep Austria-Ungarn as loyal little brother. This is what you expect from a wise politician. So he analysed the situation and made the best of it.

What is the situation of Somalia today ? Somalia is mainly divided into three parts. The first part is Somaliland in the North, which has developed in the last 30 years every condition to become a country, but they are still not recognized. There is no hope that Somaliland comes back, the people and politicians are very strong in their cause. The second part is Puntland, a state, which want to be Part of a Federal system and has progressed the last 20 years with peace and statehood. Puntland will never accept a central state, because of what happened in the Mudug massacre. The third part of the country is lawless, unfortunately because of many years of wars. No where is anything near statehood and i refuse to call the other 4 states as states because they are actually not. The south has many thousands of foreign soldiers, terrorists and no structures at all. They south is not suitable for a federal system, because of the clan diversity and actually most southerners don't believe in Federalism, the most prominent one is The admin of Xamar, who spits on this law constantly. You see how much problems the Puntland has with the FGS since 2012. This status quo made it possible that we (all of us !!) are today the dogs and puppets of Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians.

In my humble opinion these fake unionists people are the real curse of Somalia. They never talk about what is reality in Somalia, but about their wishes and dreams. They always try to belittle Somaliland and Puntland and every community wich wanna destiny its own fate and they play down the actual problems we face. Some of them even wanna convince us that Farmaajo for example, who rules one street with foreign help, has developed the country so much that he needs another few years more to solve all our problems. They are not interested in facts and that every year the situation is getting worse and worse and the country is splitted mote than ever. Everyone else who tries to actually analyse the situation and looks for a solution for his community is a Somalidiid, Qarandumis, Qabyalist and many more. With Fake unionists i am not talking about certain tribes. You have Isaaq, Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Dir and every community, who are of them.

I have one question to yall. If you were asked to create a master plan for Somalia to solve our problems, like Otto von Bismarck did for Germany, what would be your plan ?
This was always the problem. They hid their qabyaalad and leaders failures behind midnimo unity talk:pachah1:
 

Mercury

Staff Member
Moderator
I have noticed that many Somalis are blind unionists. These people have all one common characteristic, which is to ignore the reality that exits.

First of all, we have to question, if union is always the solution for every problem ? Many Somalis use as an example Germany. It might be true that the German union in 1871 made them the strongest power in the world at that time. But what was the key for this union ? Before the German union, Germany existed as a confederation of Federal States (actually kingdoms). The two strongest States were Preußen and Austria-Ungarn and they were always competing with each other. The Bundeskanzler of Preußen Otto von Bismarck understood very quickly that there is no hope for a united Germany with both States, because of their rivalry. So what did he do ? He and his State Preußen provoked Austria and invaded it in a war. After the victory of Preußen over Austria Ungarn, Bismarck put the famous condition on Austria, that they are not allowed to join the new German country in the coming union. But he made clear Austria-Ungarn will be Germanys little brother and in both world wars they fought side on side. Bismarck is not a hero because of the German union. He is a hero because he managed to create a united Germany under a Hegemony of his state Preußen and he managed to keep Austria-Ungarn as loyal little brother. This is what you expect from a wise politician. So he analysed the situation and made the best of it.

What is the situation of Somalia today ? Somalia is mainly divided into three parts. The first part is Somaliland in the North, which has developed in the last 30 years every condition to become a country, but they are still not recognized. There is no hope that Somaliland comes back, the people and politicians are very strong in their cause. The second part is Puntland, a state, which want to be Part of a Federal system and has progressed the last 20 years with peace and statehood. Puntland will never accept a central state, because of what happened in the Mudug massacre. The third part of the country is lawless, unfortunately because of many years of wars. No where is anything near statehood and i refuse to call the other 4 states as states because they are actually not. The south has many thousands of foreign soldiers, terrorists and no structures at all. They south is not suitable for a federal system, because of the clan diversity and actually most southerners don't believe in Federalism, the most prominent one is The admin of Xamar, who spits on this law constantly. You see how much problems the Puntland has with the FGS since 2012. This status quo made it possible that we (all of us !!) are today the dogs and puppets of Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians.

In my humble opinion these fake unionists people are the real curse of Somalia. They never talk about what is reality in Somalia, but about their wishes and dreams. They always try to belittle Somaliland and Puntland and every community wich wanna destiny its own fate and they play down the actual problems we face. Some of them even wanna convince us that Farmaajo for example, who rules one street with foreign help, has developed the country so much that he needs another few years more to solve all our problems. They are not interested in facts and that every year the situation is getting worse and worse and the country is splitted mote than ever. Everyone else who tries to actually analyse the situation and looks for a solution for his community is a Somalidiid, Qarandumis, Qabyalist and many more. With Fake unionists i am not talking about certain tribes. You have Isaaq, Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Dir and every community, who are of them.

I have one question to yall. If you were asked to create a master plan for Somalia to solve our problems, like Otto von Bismarck did for Germany, what would be your plan ?
You’re saying Somaliland will never rejoin with Somalia rejoin would mean they left Somalia which isn’t the case according to literally the entire world
 
You qabilists are funny people.

Somalis are worse off under your qabiil system than even under Siad Barre brutal dictatorship mixed in with his weird socialism.

Somaliland and Puntland have both regressed since 2006.

The argument your making is somehow Somalis are better under this divided system is false.

The truth is and will hurt you qabilist, is that Somalis would be better under one centralised leadership and government.
 

Samaalic Era

QurboExit
Federalism is for large countries with diverse ethnic groups and languages like Russia or a large country like US.

Somalia must be centralised to become a World power and take back Somali Galbeed and the deep south of NFD.
 

Mercury

Staff Member
Moderator
The qabilist are funny people.

Somalis are worse off under you qabiil system than even under Siad Barre brutal dictatorship mixed in with his weird socialism.

Somaliland and Puntland have both regressed since 2006.

The argument your making is somehow Somalis are better under this divided system is false.

The truth is and will hurt you qabilist, is that Somalis would be better under one centralised leadership and government.
:qri8gs7::qri8gs7:

Well said


Somalia failing will affect us all
 

wawenka

Guul Ama Geeri
I have noticed that many Somalis are blind unionists. These people have all one common characteristic, which is to ignore the reality that exits.

First of all, we have to question, if union is always the solution for every problem ? Many Somalis use as an example Germany. It might be true that the German union in 1871 made them the strongest power in the world at that time. But what was the key for this union ? Before the German union, Germany existed as a confederation of Federal States (actually kingdoms). The two strongest States were Preußen and Austria-Ungarn and they were always competing with each other. The Bundeskanzler of Preußen Otto von Bismarck understood very quickly that there is no hope for a united Germany with both States, because of their rivalry. So what did he do ? He and his State Preußen provoked Austria and invaded it in a war. After the victory of Preußen over Austria Ungarn, Bismarck put the famous condition on Austria, that they are not allowed to join the new German country in the coming union. But he made clear Austria-Ungarn will be Germanys little brother and in both world wars they fought side on side. Bismarck is not a hero because of the German union. He is a hero because he managed to create a united Germany under a Hegemony of his state Preußen and he managed to keep Austria-Ungarn as loyal little brother. This is what you expect from a wise politician. So he analysed the situation and made the best of it.

What is the situation of Somalia today ? Somalia is mainly divided into three parts. The first part is Somaliland in the North, which has developed in the last 30 years every condition to become a country, but they are still not recognized. There is no hope that Somaliland comes back, the people and politicians are very strong in their cause. The second part is Puntland, a state, which want to be Part of a Federal system and has progressed the last 20 years with peace and statehood. Puntland will never accept a central state, because of what happened in the Mudug massacre. The third part of the country is lawless, unfortunately because of many years of wars. No where is anything near statehood and i refuse to call the other 4 states as states because they are actually not. The south has many thousands of foreign soldiers, terrorists and no structures at all. They south is not suitable for a federal system, because of the clan diversity and actually most southerners don't believe in Federalism, the most prominent one is The admin of Xamar, who spits on this law constantly. You see how much problems the Puntland has with the FGS since 2012. This status quo made it possible that we (all of us !!) are today the dogs and puppets of Arabs, Kenyans, Ethiopians.

In my humble opinion these fake unionists people are the real curse of Somalia. They never talk about what is reality in Somalia, but about their wishes and dreams. They always try to belittle Somaliland and Puntland and every community wich wanna destiny its own fate and they play down the actual problems we face. Some of them even wanna convince us that Farmaajo for example, who rules one street with foreign help, has developed the country so much that he needs another few years more to solve all our problems. They are not interested in facts and that every year the situation is getting worse and worse and the country is splitted mote than ever. Everyone else who tries to actually analyse the situation and looks for a solution for his community is a Somalidiid, Qarandumis, Qabyalist and many more. With Fake unionists i am not talking about certain tribes. You have Isaaq, Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Dir and every community, who are of them.

I have one question to yall. If you were asked to create a master plan for Somalia to solve our problems, like Otto von Bismarck did for Germany, what would be your plan ?
"Puntland will never accept a central state, because of whathappened in the Mudug massacre"... what are you on about kid ! , we the cumar maxamud dont hold grudges!
 
It amazes how clan states who have no pavements think they can be a country :gucciwhat:
Look at Somaliland.

The Somaliland central bank said they managed only a 1% GDP growth rate over a 5 year period.

If they continue with this rate, it will take them 200 years to reach the same GDP as Lesotho, 3000 years to reach the same GDP per capita as Spain.

Not to mention the fact that 80% of their children don't finish primary school, with poverty above 70%.

Puntland is pretty much the same as Somaliland.

Qabilits are the most delusional people you can meet. It's like arguing with a person who believes that the earth is flat.
 
You qabilists are funny people.

Somalis are worse off under your qabiil system than even under Siad Barre brutal dictatorship mixed in with his weird socialism.

Somaliland and Puntland have both regressed since 2006.

The argument your making is somehow Somalis are better under this divided system is false.

The truth is and will hurt you qabilist, is that Somalis would be better under one centralised leadership and government.
Are you retarded:gucciwhat:
Puntland virtually had no cities before 91. Somaliland had all its cities destroyed to rubble shelled and bombed
 
Look at Somaliland.

The Somaliland central bank said they managed only a 1% GDP growth rate over a 5 year period.

If they continue with this rate, it will take them 200 years to reach the same GDP as Lesotho, 3000 years to reach the same GDP per capita as Spain.

Not to mention the fact that 80% of their children don't finish primary school, with poverty above 70%.

Puntland is pretty much the same as Somaliland.

Qabilits are the most delusional people you can meet. It's like arguing with a person who believes that the earth is flat.
Schooling is free in Somaliland until University. So cut the bullshit kid:bell:
 
Are you retarded:gucciwhat:
Puntland virtually had no cities before 91. Somaliland had all its cities destroyed to rubble shelled and bombed
Both Somaliland and Puntland are worse off since 2006.

Explain if balkanization and separate states are better for Somalis.

Why have they become substantially worse since 2006?
 
Schooling is free in Somaliland until University. So cut the bullshit kid:bell:
80% of children in Urban and Rural areas don't finish primary school let alone high school or university in Somaliland.

This doesn't even take into account Nomadic populations who aren't included in most studies but will likely push the figure to 90%.

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You qabilist are so delusional.

Explain why Somaliland is such a shithole?

How could this even be an independent state when it can't even give children good access to primary school or reduce the poverty rate from 70%?
 
Both Somaliland and Puntland are worse off since 2006.

Explain if balkanization and separate states are better for Somalis.

Why have they become substantially worse since 2006?
Somaliland GDP, budget and everything else has always steadily risen

Is this that world bank "report" that was debunked long ago :chrisfreshhah:
 
Somaliland GDP, budget and everything else has always steadily risen

Is this that world bank "report" that was debunked long ago :chrisfreshhah:
How was it debunked?

Show me evidence that Somaliland primary school completion rate is higher than this figure?

Also, explain to me why Somaliland is gotten significantly worse since 2006?

I'm waiting.


:hillarybiz::hillarybiz:
 

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