why are Somalis obsessed with Ethiopians and Sudanese people?

[Cartan Boos]

The vast majority of South Sudanese don't know anything about Somalia, so we generally don't have any quarrels with Somalis; a few trolls doesn't change this fact.

The only population that we actually dislike in the continent (for obvious reasons) are Sudanese Arabs.

Most South Sudanese have embraced their skin tone; in addition to height, slim build, high cheekbones and smooth skin, our obsidian skin tone is something we're known for -- and are now beginning to develop pride in.

My beautiful Nilotic people are unproblematic I blame the other savages

 

[Aseer]

Baati

They can wear our traditional clothes but I draw the line at them claiming it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baati_(garment)
Let them cope and seethe even wikipedia known for spreading misinfo confirms this. They just mad that all they got is arab clothes and thus try to project their insecurities on us by claiming our traditional clothes, with what proof? Lol

 

[Rasheedosman619]

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Well, theirs a whole Somali region in Ethiopia, (Ogaden) which is my qabil & like 30% of Somalis worldwide live in Ethiopia (4.5 million Somali(2008 estimate) but a 2024 estimate says that number could be close to 21 Million) so go figure.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

Thats not at all. If anything its sudanis who beg somalis and other horn africans.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Theres an obsession with Ethiopians here, and other sites. Dont see much about sudanese though.

Sudanese are our brethren. We don't have an obsession with them and wish the best for them.

You guys are being called out for your historical revisionism and falsely attributing historical Arab and Ethio-Semitic empires to Somalis. Calling you out for distorting historical accounts shouldn't be regarded as hate. Somalis played an insignificant role in the establishment of the Adal and Ifat kingdoms.

The ruling elite of those two kingdoms primarily consisted of Semetic-speaking groups. Ethio-Semitic speakers and Arabs formed the dominant section of the population. Imam Ahmed is either believed to be Harla or Balaw. He wasn't Somali. Please hit the books and do some reading. You are extremely intellectually dishonest.

Xarla are Somalis, you weirdo. They're today found in Sitti zone in DDS. Both Daarood and Ciise have Xarla clans that are part of their tribes. The Xarla in Daarood are part of the Koombe Kablalax family.

In Futuuxal Habash, the only people documented are Somalis. Where are the Ethio-Semitic groups that you mentioned in Futuuxal Habash? Imam Ahmed was documented to be part of the Roble clan. The only Somali clan who was documented in Futuuxal Habash who has the name Roble are Yabare of Jidwaaq Absame.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

I remember seeing this. It was primarily fobs engaging in that beef at least on the Somali side.

Same for the Sudani side. Western-born Sudanis definitely played a role but I noticed a lot of the hate accounts and content was mostly made by random Sudani bums probably from Khartoum who were youths that just learnt how to communicate properly in English, with a minority being Sudanis born and raised in the west.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

Such an exaggeration.

Sudanis, north and south and Ethiopians had to assemble like the avengers to take on the Somalis and even then, the Sudanese were quick to cry raCisM when both Somalis back home and those in the diaspora united to hand out some well deserved karbash.

I'm not particularly interested in the immaturity of "we SO won that beef", just stating what I saw happen. You oughta make a separate post explaining why you thought the Somalis managed to outdo the Sudanis at being xenophobic, racist, colorist and just outright dicks instead of responding to me, I'm not concerned about who managed to own who. And winning beefs like these isn't something to be proud of. I have immense respect for Somalis but you honestly gotta reconsider your integrity as a people if you find genuine national pride in allegedly winning some immature squabbles over the internet mainly fought by lonely basement-dwelling individuals who've never and never will feel the touch of a woman. If Sudan displayed the GigaChad energy to hold off against numerous online communities as such in a similar fashion, I don't understand the pride and really just see it as a source of embarrassment and shame on our part.

Idk. I just think this type of stuff is so stupid, I've never really understood the people that take pride in either watching, cheering on, and/or pledging allegiance to a side and taking part as if it's an opportunity for E-Jihad lmao. Call me crazy but this typa stuff is so petty. But to each their own, if you're into that, do as you please.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

i dont see much south sudanese beef but the north sudanese were mainly behind it and also it was a good time in social media since this united the somalis on the internet to hit back and hit back HARD, it is ironic what is happening in sudan rn although its sad the diaspora sudanese and online have been humbled too smoothly We wont be seeing those sudanese yapping against us for a long time, the main problem is ethiopia as I said the sudanese were merely just a pesky sidequest that was quickly destroyed by us.

These issues seem to all be strictly online. Even Ethiopia, Somalia's main problem as you put it, seems to only really be a main problem on the internet. Irl you'll get along like cookies and butter in the west, and only real issues occur back home where your governments have histories of bad blood.

What I'm really trying to say is, I think people, especially on Somalispot and other Somali online spaces, overblow the actual seriousness of these online problems. Realistically they don't mean anything and an obsessed Habesha who likes to troll Somalis by telling them Adal was founded by Arabs and Ethio-semites, has no actual real-world impacts on Somali people and the Somali nation. Just take a step back, close the phone, laptop or computer and think if @HabarSteven12 posts actually mean anything beyond this forum or any other online space? It's ridiculous

 

[HabarSteven12]

These issues seem to all be strictly online. Even Ethiopia, Somalia's main problem as you put it, seems to only really be a main problem on the internet. Irl you'll get along like cookies and butter in the west, and only real issues occur back home where your governments have histories of bad blood.

What I'm really trying to say is, I think people, especially on Somalispot and other Somali online spaces, overblow the actual seriousness of these online problems. Realistically they don't mean anything and an obsessed Habesha who likes to troll Somalis by telling them Adal was founded by Arabs and Ethio-semites, has no actual real-world impacts on Somali people and the Somali nation. Just take a step back, close the phone, laptop or computer and think if @HabarSteven12 posts actually mean anything beyond this forum or any other online space? It's ridiculous

Blah blah blah. You can't prove anything I said is intellectual dishonesty or factually incorrect. I only call out Somalis who distort historical accounts and attribute historical Arab and Ethio-Semitic empires to Somalis. You don't have the intellectual capacity or maturity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Don't waste my time and go cry somewhere else.

 

[Aseer]

These issues seem to all be strictly online. Even Ethiopia, Somalia's main problem as you put it, seems to only really be a main problem on the internet. Irl you'll get along like cookies and butter in the west, and only real issues occur back home where your governments have histories of bad blood.

What I'm really trying to say is, I think people, especially on Somalispot and other Somali online spaces, overblow the actual seriousness of these online problems. Realistically they don't mean anything and an obsessed Habesha who likes to troll Somalis by telling them Adal was founded by Arabs and Ethio-semites, has no actual real-world impacts on Somali people and the Somali nation. Just take a step back, close the phone, laptop or computer and think if @HabarSteven12 posts actually mean anything beyond this forum or any other online space? It's ridiculous

 

[HabarSteven12]

These issues seem to all be strictly online. Even Ethiopia, Somalia's main problem as you put it, seems to only really be a main problem on the internet. Irl you'll get along like cookies and butter in the west, and only real issues occur back home where your governments have histories of bad blood.

What I'm really trying to say is, I think people, especially on Somalispot and other Somali online spaces, overblow the actual seriousness of these online problems. Realistically they don't mean anything and an obsessed Habesha who likes to troll Somalis by telling them Adal was founded by Arabs and Ethio-semites, has no actual real-world impacts on Somali people and the Somali nation. Just take a step back, close the phone, laptop or computer and think if @HabarSteven12 posts actually mean anything beyond this forum or any other online space? It's ridiculous

You are not North Sudanese lol. Stop cosplaying as a Sudanese. You are Somali. Your garbage talking points gave you away.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

This is another known South Sudanese pro Black activist with a relatively large following who regularly comes for Somalis. Here she is trying to paint us as the most anti Black group while her country was literally split from North Sudan following years of racial abuse and while the Janjaweeds are still running around killing Black Darfurians. You would think that it was Somalis and not North Sudanese that abused their people the way she and other Sudos come for us online.

Not a good point lmao. Sudan is multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic, and multicultural. Somalia as a nation consists of one ethnicity, united by language and identity, only divisions by clan exist.

Your reasoning in trying to discredit her criticism of Somali anti-blackness by referencing the actions of Sudanese Arabs, a totally different and culturally divergent group, basically polar opposites in the spectrum of Sudanese cultures lmao is similar to trying to link Kenyan Somalis with Kenyan Bantu cultural flaws that bring crimes and injustices to all other Non-Bantu Kenyans and using that to shut down anytime a Kenyan Somali decides to speak about injustice in the Somali ethnic group or anywhere else on the continent.

I don't really know what you were trying to say with this but it sounded a lot like "Stfu, people you formerly shared nationality with are super anti-black, so that means you can't be accusing us of the same thing"?

A Dinka (who proudly attests to their blackness anywhere and everywhere) would be furious that you even try paint him as complacent with Sudanese Arabs who are plagued with Anti-blackness.

Southerners are well aware of the Anti-Blackness of Northerners. If you think these Sudo activists are letting Sudanese Arabs get a pass and coming for Somalis for the fun of it, you're delusional and have a main-character syndrome for Somalia because you've been conditioned to think it's all about y'all. I want to mention that a Southerner who even attempts to slightly soften or sugar-coat the severity of North Sudanese anti-blackness commits an act almost sacrilegious, that he himself is putting his wellbeing at risk. If my words sound harsh or possibly trying to induce some national conflict, I promise this isn't my goal, you just said some stuff that sounded like straight bull, I had to type this up.

I'm sure @Nilotic who doesn't shy away for his opposition to North Sudanese anti-blackness can comment on this. Better hear it from the actual people than me, an intermediary trying to speak on behalf of them.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

You are not North Sudanese lol. Stop cosplaying as a Sudanese. You are Somali. Your garbage talking points gave you away.

I see you liked the special Feature I gave you in my response. I'm a huge fan btw, your trolling is elite, admirable and I pay respects to the number of cheeto crumbs compiling in your keyboard as you dwell your Mother's basement typing what you type. Keep up the good work Steven, truly one of the most entertaining posters on here, and I mean that with NO irony


قالو ما تزعلو ال حبشي عشان مفتكر انت صومالي

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

Blah blah blah. You can't prove anything I said is intellectual dishonesty or factually incorrect. I only call out Somalis who distort historical accounts and attribute historical Arab and Ethio-Semitic empires to Somalis. You don't have the intellectual capacity or maturity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Don't waste my time and go cry somewhere else.

No, some of the stuff you say is factually correct, but like someone else put it in another thread. You're remarkable at trolling because you mix truth with exaggerated conclusions. That way you're able to rile up Somalis on this forum for the opinions you have, and then, when they come to find there is some level of basis for your take even if it doesn't cover everything you claim, it riles them up even more and they then have to actually do some work to try find a suitable refutation of your claims, and I assume in many cases there are actual refutations, most prideful big-headed users on here though aren't bothered to find them.

Some people have challenged your views on here, argue with them not me. I'm just enjoying the show. Your neighbor from the west.

 

[HabarSteven12]

No, some of the stuff you say is factually correct, but like someone else put it in another thread. You're remarkable at trolling because you mix truth with exaggerated conclusions. That way you're able to rile up Somalis on this forum for the opinions you have, and then, when they come to find there is some level of basis for your take even if it doesn't cover everything you claim, it riles them up even more and they then have to actually do some work to try find a suitable refutation of your claims, and I assume in many cases there are actual refutations, most prideful big-headed users on here though aren't bothered to find them.

Some people have challenged your views on here, argue with them not me. I'm just enjoying the show. Your neighbor from the west.

Most of the things I say are factually correct and backed by reputable scholars. I have no intention of trolling or riling up Somalis. I only correct the intellectually dishonest statements and historical inaccuracies peddled by Somali nationalists. I myself am not immune from making mistakes and errors. If I am proven wrong, I accept my mistakes and retract my statements.

I always seek to foster constructive dialogue and intellectual engagement when interacting with my Somali peers. But I have noticed that many of my interactions with Somali nationalists are not conducive to fostering intellectual growth. Most of them demonstrate bogus refutations that are not supported by any reputable academic scholar. Most of them don't have the intellectual capacity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye.

 

[HabarSteven12]

I see you liked the special Feature I gave you in my response. I'm a huge fan btw, your trolling is elite, admirable and I pay respects to the number of cheeto crumbs compiling in your keyboard as you dwell your Mother's basement typing what you type. Keep up the good work Steven, truly one of the most entertaining posters on here, and I mean that with NO irony


قالو ما تزعلو ال حبشي عشان مفتكر انت صومالي

Cut the cap. You are a Somali troll. What kind of Sudanese care about the Adal and Ethio-Semitic empires? The Sudanese people barely know anything about those empires. The fact that you are desperately trying to attribute those historical empires to Somalis shows you are a Somali troll cosplaying as a Sudanese. Somalis never get tired of cosplaying as different ethnic groups. I don't believe for one bit you are Sudanese lol.

 

[Nilo-Saharan]

Cut the cap. You are a Somali troll. What kind of Sudanese care about the Adal and Ethio-Semitic empires?

Lmao, that's the thing, I don't. I mentioned the Adal Sultanate once lol.

he fact that you are desperately trying to attribute those historical empires to Somalis shows you are a Somali troll cosplaying as a Sudanese.

I wasn't "desperately trying to attribute those historical empires to Somalis". If you are as open-minded as you have made yourself, you can go ahead and really show me where I gave off that impression aside from where I made a little tease about you and ascribing origins of Adal with Arabs and Ethio-semites. I know nothing about Adal aside from the fact this one take about it is a huge punch in the gut for Somali nationalists hence why I mentioned it when referring to your troll campaign, even if trolling isn't your primary intention. Maybe I will look into the arguments you have and the arguments people who disagree with you have on Adal's origins someday, but honestly, with all due respect to whoever founded it, I don't give half a shit, it was a kickass Islamic sultanate apparently, W Muslims regardless of their ethnicity. You're an entertaining poster nonetheless lmao.

Somalis never get tired of cosplaying as different ethnic groups. I don't believe for one bit you are Sudanese lol.

Nah, you can trace my messages if you want. I came to this forum as a Sudani because I saw interesting discussions about kingdoms in MY homeland, such as Kush and Kerma. You're free to label me a somali troll but for someone who admirably reiterates the importance of evidence in reaching conclusion, you haven't did yourself a favour here. This is just a hunch you have.

ان اصلن ما عرف لو انت حبشي لاكن لو فاحم ال كلام دء، هذا زول سوداني انت شايف هن

 

[HabarSteven12]

Lmao, that's the thing, I don't. I mentioned the Adal Sultanate once lol.


I wasn't "desperately trying to attribute those historical empires to Somalis". If you are as open-minded as you have made yourself, you can go ahead and really show me where I gave off that impression aside from where I made a little tease about you and ascribing origins of Adal with Arabs and Ethio-semites. I know nothing about Adal aside from the fact this one take about it is a huge punch in the gut for Somali nationalists hence why I mentioned it when referring to your troll campaign, even if trolling isn't your primary intention. Maybe I will look into the arguments you have and the arguments people who disagree with you have on Adal's origins someday, but honestly, with all due respect to whoever founded it, I don't give half a shit, it was a kickass Islamic sultanate apparently, W Muslims regardless of their ethnicity. You're an entertaining poster nonetheless lmao.


Nah, you can trace my messages if you want. I came to this forum as a Sudani because I saw interesting discussions about kingdoms in MY homeland, such as Kush and Kerma. You're free to label me a somali troll but for someone who admirably reiterates the importance of evidence in reaching conclusion, you haven't did yourself a favour here. This is just a hunch you have.

ان اصلن ما عرف لو انت حبشي لاكن لو فاحم ال كلام دء، هذا زول سوداني انت شايف هن

You seem triggered and extremely infuriated about me factually calling out Somalis for falsely ascribing historical semetic-speaking empires to Somalis. You have done a poor job at concealing and camouflaging your Somali identity. The fact that you tagged me and called me a troll for factually stating that Ethio-Semitic speakers and Arabs formed the dominant section of the Adal population exposes your true colors. Semetic-speakers founded the Adal sultanate, and the ruling elite consisted of semetic-speaking groups.

You are now trying to desperately backtrack by claiming you were only teasing and joking around. What's funny is that your talking points look identical to those of another Somali nationalist troll I previously interacted with. I suspect this is your second account.

You claimed you knew nothing about Adal, yet you call me a troll and get enraged when I factually attribute Adal to semetic-speaking groups. You didn't demonstrate neutrality, and you clearly showed your confirmation bias.

You are another basement-dwelling Somali nationalist troll cosplaying as a different ethnic group. I am very familiar with Somali nationalist social media antics, and you are not fooling anyone. You got extremely triggered about me correcting historical distortions, and you have been following my historical refutations for quite some time. You even awkwardly tagged me, and I never had an interaction with you before. That is not something a Sudaese would do.

 

[attash]

Blah blah blah. You can't prove anything I said is intellectual dishonesty or factually incorrect. I only call out Somalis who distort historical accounts and attribute historical Arab and Ethio-Semitic empires to Somalis. You don't have the intellectual capacity or maturity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Don't waste my time and go cry somewhere else.

Tell me, have you managed figure out who populated the city of Zeila yet? Was it the Arabs or "ethio-semites"?

 

[Xoriyo]

I'm not particularly interested in the immaturity of "we SO won that beef", just stating what I saw happen. You oughta make a separate post explaining why you thought the Somalis managed to outdo the Sudanis at being xenophobic, racist, colorist and just outright dicks instead of responding to me, I'm not concerned about who managed to own who. And winning beefs like these isn't something to be proud of. I have immense respect for Somalis but you honestly gotta reconsider your integrity as a people if you find genuine national pride in allegedly winning some immature squabbles over the internet mainly fought by lonely basement-dwelling individuals who've never and never will feel the touch of a woman. If Sudan displayed the GigaChad energy to hold off against numerous online communities as such in a similar fashion, I don't understand the pride and really just see it as a source of embarrassment and shame on our part.

Idk. I just think this type of stuff is so stupid, I've never really understood the people that take pride in either watching, cheering on, and/or pledging allegiance to a side and taking part as if it's an opportunity for E-Jihad lmao. Call me crazy but this typa stuff is so petty. But to each their own, if you're into that, do as you please.

Drop the self righteous act.

You were positively giddy a few posts back about how Somalis were supposedly tag teamed. Gangbanged was the exact term that you used.