Why are ''DARKER'' people always shitted on in every culture? Why it can be the other wise?

[Webb]

I don’t know about Portuguese slaves but it’s true some Barawe people do have Portuguese blood

it's not true, it's a baseless myth debunked by multiple dna tests from that community

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

Same for somalis though. When somalis say light skin is beautiful they certainly don't want cadaan skin like Europeans.

No one said Somalis want to, I said they are the exception. But why a Syrian, a Filipino or an Indian would use skin bleaching creams when they're actually light skin? I think the answer's obvious.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

I’ve lived in Syria lol,

How was life there? Were they xenophobic and anti-migrant in the media and in real life? Because if they were so then it just can get more ironic as they're refugees all over the world now specially in Turkey where they're experiencing waves of anti-them.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

Simple ppl working on the farms(lower classes) spent alot of time under the sun and got that tan/darkskin complexion. While the nobility, royalty and clergy(upper classes) didnt spend that much time under the sun. Over time lightskin became the trait of nobility. This happened in China, India, Middle East, Europe heck even West Africans were witnessed to favor lightskinned noble women. Hence modern prejudice on tanned/darkskinned.

This was true in Europe until 1950s when socialite Coco Chanel made tanning popular among the European elites and it got huge traction as it was the opposite what the defeated Nazis were preaching.

How Somalis would view dark skinned people back then? the more geel you've the more time you spend in the sun hence giving the impression of being hantiile?. Somalis were and still are all equally in the sun so colorism isn't a thing there but next door Arabia has a colorism problem as the Levantine fairer wives are now a trend among the middle class and the elite Gulf men. But in Somalia your clan status def matters, laangaab/laandheere is still a thing.

 

[Nilotic]

Same for somalis though. When somalis say light skin is beautiful they certainly don't want cadaan skin like Europeans.

Exactly! No group in Sub-Saharan Africa wants to approximate to white when they bleach; they usually want to be mariin or ayaan.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

it’s also a class based issue ?

You can get away with anything if you've enough Benjamins. Even in the most colorist nation India a black Indian will be respected and treated well there if he's a rich. Rich blacks didn't have the same white-only problem back in the 60's. It's always the middle and lower class people who are always at each other's throats. Rich people and politicians just take advantage of their ignorance and aren't racist against each other. The lower you go down the hierarchy ladder the more colorist it gets, that's why the people down there are poor, they didn't think for themselves and focus on things that could get them out of the poverty.
A Somali from Somalia would experience harsher treatments than a Somali from the US would in any Middle Eastern airport.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

Exactly! No group in Sub-Saharan Africa wants to approximate to white when they bleach; they usually want to be mariin or ayaan

Then what the already maariin Asians want? double or triple maariin lol? I never thought an African would bleach themselves btw, I always thought that was an Asian/Latino problem. There's black and there's white so... It thought Sub-Saharans were the admins.
Africans can only allure people to the black color if they get a good number of TV shows where the cast are predominantly black.
If Koreans could pull it off so can we. We aren't more unattractive than the Koreans tbh loool

 

[Abba Sadacha]

funny thing is in oromo culture, we praise the chocolate and darker color, but some oromo do put light skinned women on a pedestal, similar to how our habesha neighbors do.

 

[Nilotic]

Then what the already maariin Asians want? double or triple maariin lol?

The only Asians that are close to mariin are Vietnamese, Cambodians, Burmese and Filipinos, however, those populations have people that are naturally much lighter than any Sub-Saharan population -- and it's the light-skin among their populations that they idealise.

I never thought an African would bleach themselves btw, I always thought that was an Asian/Latino problem. There's black and there's white so... It thought Sub-Saharans were the admins.

You can't be an "admin" when you occupy the lowest economic position in the world; being in a weak position (in every metric) is demoralising, so it's somewhat understandable that bleaching is endemic as it is.

Africans can only allure people to the black color if they get a good number of TV shows where the cast are predominantly black.
If Koreans could pull it off so can we. We aren't more unattractive than the Koreans tbh loool

You need economic heft before embarking on a soft-power program like that; AA culture is powerful but it emanates from the most powerful Nation in human history.

I personally don't want to influence people beyond the Caribbean, AA and blacks in Latin America.

As long as we're politically stable, economically significant, morally sound and socio-culturally refined... I wouldn't care about the rest of the world's sentiments and conceptualisations of attractiveness.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

some oromo do put light skinned women on a pedestal, similar to how our habesha neighbors do.

They should've seen it from the habesha who don't even have enough self-esteem to say I'm Amharic when asked, I'm Ethiopian they say as if Ethiopian is a race lol.

Btw how do you see the future of Ethiopia? Do think Oromos will ever have their own state and get rid of Ethiopia?.
We're at 25 million at most and have 2 states.. you guys should've had at least one state with your 40 million. Oromos are fierce, c'mon use Cushiticness and instill that Oromo state next door and keep them Amharo at bay as always..

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

As long as we're politically stable, economically significant, morally sound and socio-culturally refined... I wouldn't care about the rest of the world's sentiments and conceptualisations of attractiveness.

That's the main goal

AA culture is powerful

But in a very negative manner, the roles they play in American movies are very stereotypical

You need economic heft

I meant the AA should be doing it, Sub-Saharan Africa needs to treat its people for malaria first lol

 

[Based]

Bro he just told you the basic points.

The ajuraan sultanate was suprised by the portugese sneak attack in barawe. They sacked the city and the residents fleed. Within 24 hours the navy positioned itself in a offensive way whilst the ground troops retook te city.

The navy destroyed the Portuguese ships and took their men captive. Their captain fled.

To be fair the captain could have surrendered even his crew pleaded for it but alas he eventually ran away.

It is a true story.

I know this is true this battle did occur but reer barawe are not remnants of portuguese. They are peasant indian and arab migrants that settled in the area. There are no remnants of any European in somalia.

 

[ImanStan001]

How was life there? Were they xenophobic and anti-migrant in the media and in real life? Because if they were so then it just can get more ironic as they're refugees all over the world now specially in Turkey where they're experiencing waves of anti-them.

I only have good memories of Syria. And tbh so do most Somalis that lived there

 

[Abba Sadacha]

They should've seen it from the habesha who don't even have enough self-esteem to say I'm Amharic when asked, I'm Ethiopian they say as if Ethiopian is a race lol.

Btw how do you see the future of Ethiopia? Do think Oromos will ever have their own state and get rid of Ethiopia?.
We're at 25 million at most and have 2 states.. you guys should've had at least one state with your 40 million. Oromos are fierce, c'mon use Cushiticness and instill that Oromo state next door and keep them Amharo at bay as always..

Yeah man Habesha love a particular look in women, light skin, soft curly hair, etc. Dark skinned are almost seen as inferior.


They identify as Ethiopian because historically amhara culture and language is pretty much seen as the dominant culture and language of Ethiopia. It's seen as being the default language and culture of the state. so they see Ethiopian culture and language as being amhara. The state is seen as being built in their image, ya know?
Technically on paper, at least, we rule Ethiopia and Oromia. If you rule Ethiopia you have more influence and power than if you just rule Oromia or one of the other states. Bigger state, more resources, more manpower, more influence, more potential, etc.

Oromo have various views and that reflects on the situation you see. You got Oromo federalists, those who want independence, etc. Also keep in mind that the west doesn't want Ethiopia to get wealthy and independent and they don't want it to disintegrate yet either. If they change their mind, then you'd see them supporting independent Oromia and independent Somali galbeed and independent Tigray and etc.
Despite disagreements I have with some policies, We have an Oromo son running the Ethiopian state now while we also have the Oromo liberation army in the villages, forests, etc, fighting to ensure the Oromo masses decide what their fate should be.
Our situation with Ethiopia is more complicated than somalis. Even though amhara elites we're the main ones to benefit, Since some Oromo were conquerors directly leading the armies of the expanding Ethiopian empire, while some were conquered, it further complicates our history with the Ethiopian state. Keep in mind what effects Oromo will effect you as somalis. They couldn't expand eastwards into Somali lands (Ogaden and other clans lands that are Somali galbeed) until they first conquered the Oromo there and of course harar. We're like a buffer zone between them and you.


One thing all Oromo agree on is that federalism Is the best way to continue existing with Ethiopia. Many others agree. The sidama just established their state a few years ago. The gurage are asking for one. so are the Welayta, another major ethnic group in the south.


To be honest bro, with all love and due respect that I have for somalis, only SL can claim to be a Somali success story as a state, until Somalia gets its act together. Djibouti is a military outpost, a pawn state in east Africa. I rather see it either split between an Afar state and the rest can join somalia or whatever, or see it completely independent of Any foreign powers. In exchange for cheaper port fees, Djibouti could get cheap food from Oromo and Somali farms within Ethiopia. Somalis actually have a lot of lush green lands in Ethiopia, if they used it, it'd be great.

 

[Bundasliga]

Are you listening to yourself? You sound like one of those hoteps kulaha we ended up with many white slaves I think you’re not all there in the head

Sxb I believed that folklore aswell until 23andme debunked it.

They thought they were Portuguese, but were hindi all the time

 

[Based]

Sxb I believed that folklore aswell until 23andme debunked it.

They thought they were Portuguese, but were hindi all the time

Imagine how self hating you are to claim portguese came to your land and left behind orphans

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

I know this is true this battle did occur but reer barawe are not remnants of portuguese. They are peasant indian and arab migrants that settled in the area. There are no remnants of any European in somalia.

What people don’t understand is the only slaves whom our people slept with are oromo.

making Portuguese almost non existent in their dna.
its just something we say.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

What people don’t understand is the only slaves whom our people slept with are oromo.

making Portuguese almost non existent in their dna.
its just something we say.

That's why Somali still do IR marriages with Oromos but not with Benadiris, Shaashis and every non-Somali light-skin people. Our ancestors looked down upon white/light-skin people and thought thy were kinda alien and unclean.
I can really see, thanks to them for keeping those big skull, short limb, oddly broad chest, hairy skin, so-unathletic Arab and Indian genes away from the Somalis.
Nothing can touch the Somali tall, slim, dark, curly hair, athletic genes.

 

[Sigala]

Is a worldwide issue including somalis but other countries to a larger extent. If I am speaking the truth lightskin people generally look better and this is from what I see truth be told.

 

[Soconmayso Jirjirooni]

lightskin people generally look better and this is from what I see truth be told.

Every skin complex has its own beauty, it's a always a certain facial feature that goes well with a particular skin color but why does it matter to you if someone doesn't look good? How can that bother you? Why would you add more burden?