Why Are Arabs Weak In War?

[DR OSMAN]

Maybe Somalis who know them well can explain why we see arabs in war the most humiliating feats happen? The mongols ran over them without much war, it lasted a few weeks and their leader was forced to 'eat gold' looooooool. Israeli put a karbash on them and put em in the history book of 6 days war in 1967. The gulf didn't even bother fighting knowing their weak ass situation lol and surrendered to British. Sultan Bargash of Zanzibar who controlled the coastal strip from Mogadishu to Zanzibar got whooped in 38 minutes a world record achievement that all the future studies. Then u have Somalis who look up to them.

Darawish fought all Somalia plus British and bloody aerial bombardment was deployed and lasted for years, they wouldn't need to do that if Darawish were 'weak ass'. Majerteniya just the Bari kingdom put up a massive effort and italians deployed submarines and a mix of eritrean/somali/italian foot soldiers. If they were weak kingdom, why would they need to resort to such thing plus they were divided with half its power in Hobyo? I mean even Siyad Barre turned us into an african powerhouse where russia-cuba-south yemen had to intervene to save Ethiopia. If u don't see the trend by now, Somalis should put all their faith in Darod leadership, I am not asking u to love them but put it aside like grown ass man as your clan will enjoy respect in the world also.

I give it up to the turks tho, waa laysku wada tagay the whole world in WW1 and they put up a mighty effort and their ottoman campaigns in the balkan is well noted in history. Same with Germans their damn warriors the whole world powers went against them including Russia.

I also give credence to Amhara who put up a mighty effort on Italy and won also.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Sad thing is u still have Somalis seeking validation from these Cowards, colonized minds can't be freed, their still joining their terror groups or muslim brotherhoood, talk about embarassing, joining or looking up to mr 38 minute in war or 6 day, dont know if thats sad or funny

 

[DR OSMAN]

Anigu waxan la yaaba reer bargash oo 38 minutes lagu karbashay oo tarikhda aduunka gashay as the quickest war, sidee ku dhacday inu hukumo mogadishu illa kismaayo, they must of been weak as hell runti hadi niin 38 minutes lagu karbashay while HE WAS controlling ur ppl, which only shows adiguna waad ka liidatay, u wud be karbashed maybe under 90 seconds a new world record lol.

 

[Abdalla]

Read the article ‘Why Arabs lose wars’ by a retired US colonel. It’s one of the best articles on the military inefficiency of Arabs and the reasons that cause this inefficiency. It goes beyond military capabilities but goes into the culture and mindset of Arabs

Why Arabs Lose Wars

Arabic-speaking armies have been generally ineffective in the modern era. Egyptian regular forces did poorly against Yemeni irregulars in the 1960s.1 Syrians could only impose their will in Lebanon during the mid-1970s by the use of overwhelming

www.meforum.org

 

[Chase]

Sad thing is u still have Somalis seeking validation from these Cowards, colonized minds can't be freed, their still joining their terror groups or muslim brotherhoood, talk about embarassing, joining or looking up to mr 38 minute in war or 6 day, dont know if thats sad or funny

Pan-Arabism: Imposition by France and Englando to control the Middle East for their Colonial ambitions, hence why house of Saud is totally and utterly subservient to the West/Jews.

Just because you SPEAK Arabic, doesn't MAKE you Arabic.

The day Ana Carabs realise it was actually the Phonecians (the Lebanese who humiliated Israel in 2006), the Iranians (Persians), the modern day Iraqis Syrian who are the children of the ancient Aramaeans, the Egyptians are Copts, Sudanese are Cushite etc. Who are the REAL intellectuals and movers of Islam.

The truth these Salafi Wahabi freaks will never admit is that the 'Arabs' were always a weak, backwards unintelligent race, even our prophet (pbuh) noted the ignorance of his very OWN clan the Quraaysh.

We're taking about a people who buried their daughters alive, no wonder why any culture or race with honour or conviction managed to kick their sh!t in, they're just like Jews in character/fighting spirit.

 

[Burqad]

Arab armies were created by British and French imperialists to point guns at their own people, they’re not focused on defending their country, they are police forces

 

[Bazed]

Ibn Khaldun once said: "Nomadic tribesmen are untamed, primitive, but also, as indicated above, pure in heart, courageous and uncorrupted by the influence of civilization."

He spoke of how the nomadic Islamic civilizations would take control of sedentary people before becoming sedentary and in turn losing that drive that once made them conquerors. I think modern Arabia has been throughly designed never to produce any new powers. The boarders drawn by colonialist have made sure no Arab power can challenge them. Plus the current ground of Arab leaders seem comfortable as lap dogs. So it is what it is

 

[The Ace]

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In analyzing the Darawish war, we have to consider how the whole thing went down. The British were in unfamiliar environment and lacked adaptability in the same way if we were to face Finland in a winter war, however, as you rightly said technology (aircraft) eventually turned things around. Based on lessons learnt from long historical experience many Western armies now train for jungle, desert, winter and even arctic warfare.

Generally, junior soldiers don’t fail, it’s the leaders that do. Like running a deli, the staff (“men”) and facilities (“guns”) are resources used by the manager (“commander”) to operate the business (“war”) and make some profit (“win”). Its why a failing corporate will usually hire new a CEO and not new staff to save the company. Similarly, we have done extremely well in other countries even in the southern lands (SA, kenya, etc) but not our own, management of these countries is the difference.

These are some online sources I have read and this should go some way towards explaining things. Kenneth Pollack has written books on this very subject and his opinions are also widely referenced to by others. While his research has its critics I think it’s still worth checking out. There's also good info from the analysis and comments on Reddit and Quora about the subject given by actual experts, you can tell by their depth of technical detail.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/31/the-u-s-has-wasted-billions-of-dollars-on-failed-arab-armies/

https://affiliate-network.co/2022/01/arab-army-failures/

Kenneth Pollack’s New History of Arab Armies

Why have Arab armies performed so poorly? Kenneth Pollack offers an answer.

nationalinterest.org

 

[The Ace]

2/3
Basically
1. higher ranking officers are usually political or tribal appointees
Arabs still identify themselves more by family, tribe, and clan affiliations rather than their nation also promotions are influenced by nepotism not merit. “Seniors quite often have little in common with the men they are supposed to command.”

2. the regimes are not particularly loved by their citizens
Internal uprising is the number one fear of Arab leaders and there’s much mistrust towards the military so the regular army is deliberately kept weak for fear of revolt. For this reason, they have private loyalist armies separate from the regular army eg the UAE Presidential Guard is run by Australian, American and European officers. While in Sudan the RSF began as a private army that took a life of its own. Others are Special Republican Guard (Iraq), Royal Guard Regiment (Saudi) etc. While such armies are common around the world the difference here is their composition, objectives and size.

3. poor training outcomes
This relates to the Saudi tank operators in Yemen. There’s an answer in Quora by an American who gives a first-hand account of how even after training on battle tactics the trainees kinda trash what they have learnt and just do their own stuff. You’ve probably seen the videos of Saudi tanks being blown up like crazy and they are like latest models. SA can afford European\US standard training and equipment. See Nick Pappas very detailed analysis on this here

https://theworldhistoryofwar.quora.com/Why-are-Saudi-Arabia-s-M1-Abrams-tanks-being-knocked-out-so-easily-in-the-Yemeni-War-How-many-have-they-lost-and-are-t?share=1

4. lack of independent thinking, critical thinking and self-criticism
Largely due to culture and their education system. While obedience without question can have some benefits, such a rigid relationship can hinder beneficial feedback that could otherwise influence a change in strategy at leadership level. The education system is based on rote learning and memorization ie not thinking outside the box so “soldiers are unable to fully (or efficiently) utilize their equipment”.

More quotes from Pollack on the Egyptian military..
"Having learned to perform some complicated procedure, an Arab technician knows that he is invaluable so long as he is the only one in a unit to have that knowledge; once he dispenses it to others he no longer is the only font of knowledge and his power dissipates. This explains the commonplace hoarding of manuals, books, training pamphlets, and other training or logistics literature"

“Because the Egyptians don’t record their missions or debrief, let alone actually critique their own performances, and no one at operational levels wants to rock the boat by pointing out that their tactics are suicidal and their training rigged, all of these practices have become institutionalized elements of Egyptian Air Force training, and U.S. pilots have reported constant frustration trying to convince the EAF that its school solutions are not only wrong but potentially fatal.”

“The Russians had identical frustrations because they faced the same issues derived from the wider Arab society.
the Egyptians drove their Russian advisors to distraction trying to convince them not to take their guidelines as unbreakable laws. It was also one of the many reasons that the Egyptians lost so many tank duels to the Israelis in 1973.”

You see the same mistakes Egyptians made in the seventies being repeated in the 80’s and more recently playing out yet again in Yemen by the Saudis. Different trainer, different time with same outcome and it’s kinda hard not to see where the problem is.

 

[The Ace]

3/3
Still, we do have success stories though...
The Jordanian army is highly regarded today even by Western experts. They did have some successes during the 1948 war even though this is attributed to a British commander.
Egypt had victories to in the 1972 war and Syria did manage to get to the Golan heights during the same war. In both cases the losses that followed were due to bad judgement by their military leaders. These quotes are from the nationalinterest.org article.

“Had Syrian forces continued onward and seized the three bridges that spanned the Jordan River, they would have been in an excellent
position to retain the Golan or advance beyond the so-called Green Line into Israel itself. But Syrian commanders did not attempt to seize the bridges, thereby affording the Israelis valuable time to position reinforcements that ultimately made it possible to push the Syrians back toward Damascus.”

“.. they faced so little Israeli resistance, and the bridges were the key to the entire war.”

As mentioned earlier Pollack’s views are not without criticism and are therefore not perfect. Some of his views are considered to be outdated one reason why you will need to read widely about the subject for a more complete picture of things. What should however be clear is that the days of group raiding and ambushing as a strategy are long gone.