Good evening, I would like to know who are the Harla people and what is their relation to Somalis? Also why don’t they exist anymore?
Who were the Harla People and what is their relation to Somalis? Did they contribute to the modern Somali ethnogenesis?
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Xarla kombe.
They are related to Geri Kombe they are Darood Somalis.
They are related to Geri Kombe they are Darood Somalis.
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What is their relation to the Harari people for anybody who knows ?
They got absorbed into various frontier clans.
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Harla were likely settled farmers like some RX while Somalis were transhumant meaning they roam from place to place and pick up farming in certain seasons.
Harari is just the name of the inhabitants of Harar whose people have different origins.
Thalassocracy
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This is actually interesting because settled people do derive their identity from their townships rather than kinship etc whilst nomadic have tribal identities
Garaad diinle
You really cannot make this stuff up. These xarla from awsa have been isolated from other somalis for almost 500 years meaning since the time of futuh al-habasha and they don't like to be called somali or associated with it yet they have the same geology as the xarla living in gursim?
In fact some of their kombe relatives living as far away as the nogal in sool the dhulbahanta states that xarla kombe use to live among them. Now keep in mind that the nogal or the surrounding area is home to almost all the kombe clans except jiraan kombe.
https://books.google.se/books?id=Rl8MAAAAIAAJ&dq=Harli+somalia&pg=PA551&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Harli somalia&f=false
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i asked alot of my relatives about them some didn't know and some said that harla koombe came from nugaal valley
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That’s interesting. Us Karanle have history migrating to the Nugaal valley after the collapse of Harar. We call it “kala guurka”. Some went back to Ethiopia while others like Murusade went southwards from Nugaal towards current Gamudug.
Thalassocracy
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There’s 2 papers I saw on Jstor tyat are commentaries to Rimbauds trip and trading dealing’s in Harar but I couldn’t find them in libgen
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Clans that are related to harla are:- issa, harti, geri and karanle
a distant relative of mine is harla koombe hes from gursum somali galbeed. he told me we were always somali they claim somali darood. they live with geris they are still pretty much around.
recently French reserchers went to djibouti & found a harla koombe family they interviewed them, the abo of the harla koombe family showed them 16th century manuscripts showing them abtirsi to Kombe - kabalalax.
Somali_patriotic
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Are the manuscripts available? Or could you send me a link about the research
yes but my friend has it need to get if from him a French team wrote about it
Harla were farmer class of the somali people, Somali title for the whole ethnicity became finalized when majoirty of the people choose the somali class , due to constant wars with Habash and Oromo many resorted to their clans or tribes nomad class Somali , city and farmer somalis aka harlas(farmers) and maya(urban) , tumal(smiths) were always first to be raided and killed.
somali historian here explains it well
here he does a long thread about them , if anything go to his account and search up "Harla"
somali historian here explains it well
here he does a long thread about them , if anything go to his account and search up "Harla"
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Garaad diinle
Can you ask your relative about his genealogy? How much does he count?
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Harari = townsfolk of Harar
Harla Koombe = Darood sub clan
Harla = tribe / clan / ethnicity (it’s hard to know as they don’t exist anymore) that used to settle in Hararghe in the medieval period and were part of Imam Ahmed Gurey’s campaigns in Ethiopia/Eritrea.
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I think it’s likely that Somalis were settled farmers in Northwestern Somalia and Eastern Ethiopia in the medieval period, but wars, climate change and diminishing water resources led to a regress in civilisation and Somalis becoming more transhumance.
In the medieval period, there were inland thriving towns across the Nugaal Valley, there is a research paper that was made about two years ago. Obviously Non Somalis couldn’t have settled as far as Sool.
Interestingly enough, there is an ancient town in Sool and the European explorers in late 1800s interviewed the local Dhulbahante who said that the people who settled there were called “Harla”
"At Badwein, in the centre of that part of the Nogal Valley which is occupied by the Arasama sub-tribe, we discovered extensive ruins of an ancient city, and close by a large tank quarried out of the gypsum rock. The deserted ruins covered an area of about 40,000 square yards, choked up with cactus and aloes, the haunt of leopards and hyasnas. Most of the houses have been reduced to mounds of stone and rubble, covered with straggling mimosa bushes, but here and there the walls of houses were better preserved. We rode into one house, whose walls stood some 10 feet high, and found it divided into many partitions, the building being in the form of a parallelogram, with sides 200 feet long and 100 feet wide. Curious niches hero and there would seem to have been used as fire-places.
Seeing these things, we listened with respect to the Somali legend of a civilised people who had long passed away before the onset of the savages whose guests we now were. The Somalis said this civilised people cultivated all the lands around, and occupied large cities, that they could read and write, and that when their (the Somalis') fathers came to the country, many buildings bore traces of writing which had long since been worn away by the work of time. They called the people " Harli," and said they were there prior to the Gallas.
The latter had dug the rocky wells at Kirrid which we saw on first entering the country, and had cut a rude Christian cross in the face of the cave—■ the only ancient sign existing of a rude form of Christianity in the land. We tried to decipher what was said to be writing on the pillar of a doorway ; but it waB impossible to make out any lotters, as the surface of the gypsum stones, of which all the houses were built, had become much decomposed by the action of rain, and looked spongy, like pumice-stone. We rode with our party of Dulbahantas in amongst the ruins, out of one house into another, and, standing on high heaps of debris, let our eyes range over a landscape dotted with crumbling grey walls imbedded in clumps of aloes and cactus. As we picked our way among the fallenblocks, we disturbed a herd of deer feeding inside the remains of an old building, and everywhere guinea-fowl, of the species called vulturine, scuttled out of our path. We wished much to dig amongst the ruins for ancient pottery, etc., but wero prevented from doing so by the suspicion and prejudice of our hosts, who consider any tampering with these places as sacrilegious. There were many old graves, some of which seemed to be built in the form of a cross; they were plastered over with a mortar composed of pounded gypsum and water. The Dulbahantas now make their graves in the same manner, only Moslem in design; always in the vicinity of water, as certain rites, for which water is necessary, have to be carried out. In some cases dead men are carried, strapped on camels, long distances in order to be buried near water.
We much wished to remain some days and explore tbis dead city, but various sub-tribes of Dulbahantas were very uneasy and suspicious of our intentions, so we thought it advisable not to prolong our stay. They could not understand why we roamed about in desolate places instead of accepting the hospitality of their wandering camps, where the whole place was infested with camel-ticks ; and having seen us working the theodolite, they credited us with designs of presently bringing an army to take the country. They dissuaded us as well as they could from proceeding to tho out-of-the-way peaks we had fixed upon as points of observation, and placed many obstacles in the way, assuring us we should be attacked by savage tribes, and that we were going into a country utterly waterless, that our camels would be devoured by lions, etc. Seeing, however, that we went all the same, and discovered water in spite of them, they gave up the attempt, and we were better friends after."
Expedition to the Nogal Valley
Lieutenant E. J. Swayne
Published in London, by John Murray, 1893
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I don’t think there is any relation between them other than sharing similar names and living in the same vicinity.
Hararis claim they descend from them, but they’re just a cosmopolitan group of Muslim townsfolk from Semitic, Cushitic and even Indian/Arab backgrounds.
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