Who Benefits from the Destabilization of Somalia? And When Will This Be Over?

[Dibleyy]

Now I can acknowledge that at least 60% of our problems are tribal, we’ve had these conflicts for 200 years now!

I think the real question I want to ask other Somalis is how did it get so bad that we’ve let outer countries bribe us into keeping it in this state?!

Be for real, Al shabab isn’t getting paid $10 a day and receiving bombs and weapons from the sky, who is supplying these weapons and what is their end goal?

It pisses me off when I look at videos of the past Somalia because it looked peaceful, stable and beautiful. We had so much to the point where a lot of western countries would have pamphlets outside universities trying to entice them to study or work there and most Somalis wanted to stay in their own country.

Now you have bottom of the barrel Nigerians who are bragging about their poverty stricken shit hole countries talking shit about Somalia as if we are on the same level. Highest gdp in Africa and yet the roads look the same as Somalia and the ppl are starving beggars and scammers.

The diasporan Somalis have gone mad have a sick sense of self hatred and pretty much let ajnabis disrespect them, they’re also entitled shits. The ones who live back home are equally tapped and entitled and think their entire fucking lives are an Indian drama.

I’m getting more and more sick and tired of living in this country, the displacement is real. I feel really bitter and angry seeing a lot of ‘refugees’ who live here who have a stable country to go back to but want to claim they’re being oppressed when really it’s just about money. While I literally have no place to go back to, barely speak my own language, barely have any family who lives back home and Mogadishu gets bombed every other day so I can’t even invest properly because the building can be burnt down at any moment simply because of jealousy.

Who is at fault for the way Somalia is today? The US? Kenya? Ethiopia? Saudi Arabia? Or us the Somali people?

 

[WaterBottle]

Idc

 

[Dibleyy]

Idc

Yeah this might be too over your head, go back to the stupid threads like ‘Tall women or short women’ thread and contribute your great opinions

 

[Khaem]

Now I can acknowledge that at least 60% of our problems are tribal, we’ve had these conflicts for 200 years now!

I think the real question I want to ask other Somalis is how did it get so bad that we’ve let outer countries bribe us into keeping it in this state?!

Be for real, Al shabab isn’t getting paid $10 a day and receiving bombs and weapons from the sky, who is supplying these weapons and what is their end goal?

It pisses me off when I look at videos of the past Somalia because it looked peaceful, stable and beautiful. We had so much to the point where a lot of western countries would have pamphlets outside universities trying to entice them to study or work there and most Somalis wanted to stay in their own country.

Now you have bottom of the barrel Nigerians who are bragging about their poverty stricken shit hole countries talking shit about Somalia as if we are on the same level. Highest gdp in Africa and yet the roads look the same as Somalia and the ppl are starving beggars and scammers.

The diasporan Somalis have gone mad have a sick sense of self hatred and pretty much let ajnabis disrespect them, they’re also entitled shits. The ones who live back home are equally tapped and entitled and think their entire fucking lives are an Indian drama.

I’m getting more and more sick and tired of living in this country, the displacement is real. I feel really bitter and angry seeing a lot of ‘refugees’ who live here who have a stable country to go back to but want to claim they’re being oppressed when really it’s just about money. While I literally have no place to go back to, barely speak my own language, barely have any family who lives back home and Mogadishu gets bombed every other day so I can’t even invest properly because the building can be burnt down at any moment simply because of jealousy.

Who is at fault for the way Somalia is today? The US? Kenya? Ethiopia? Saudi Arabia? Or us the Somali people?

Everyone but somalis benefits. Oh maybe the few elites that rake in the profits from selling out their nation's dignity and sovereignty also.

 

[Khaem]

Join the dark side abaayo. Right is right.
Become a Wadani, fight these clanist, Shisheeye, Al kebab & traitors.
The Somali race will end those who work with shaytaan to destroy our country. Mass graves shall be filled Inshallah.

We went from a stable devolping country to a poster child of failed state, our honour will be taken back by the barrel of a gun.

 

[NordicSomali]

There is no foreign force keeping Somalia where it is today, everything is the fault of somalis. Exactly what is keeping them back? Probably religious conservatism mixed with tribalism, it's a potent mix. And perhaps a culture of always fighting something.

The world wants Somalia to be stable and prosperous, I don't think we have serious enemies our country, that's the somali paranoia speaking.

I personally gave up on this country. The worse thing is that climate change will totally destroy this nation that is no where close to being prepared for it. Think about yourself.

 

[Khaem]

There is no foreign force keeping Somalia where it is today, everything is the fault of somalis. Exactly what is keeping them back? Probably religious conservatism mixed with tribalism, it's a potent mix. And perhaps a culture of always fighting something.

The world wants Somalia to be stable and prosperous, I don't think we have serious enemies our country, that's the somali paranoia speaking.

I personally gave up on this country. The worse thing is that climate change will totally destroy this nation that is no where close to being prepared for it. Think about yourself.

If it's only somalia then why are foriegn troops in somalia as we speak? Kenya and Ethiopia occupies our land and want us to be destabilised so we don't pose a threat like we always have.
Al shabab is funded by foriengiers, they get millions in weapons.
Foriefn countries loot our sea and the locals had no option to fight back which led to a global propaganda campaign calling us pirates for fighting for our rights to our coast.
Don't forget America is still bombing places in somalia.

Of course there are also internal issues. Clan warfare is the big one.
It is both an internal and external issue, to claim everything is the fault of the Somalis is dishonest and best and propaganda at worst.

We sit on the most strategic areas for global trafe and commerce as well as sitting between two western allies who hate us. Why is it that somalia gets all the news coverage but places in Africa like CAR & Congo don't get that news coverage. Somalia is pointed out and noticed whilst other nations are just under the umbrella term of "african conflicts".

We have many enemies in the inside and the outside. Every level of Somali society has been rotten, even the clan leaders are rotten. The people who most somalis put their total loyalty to are the same ones who accept bribes daily and push propaganda onto the young to have them fight other somalis from different clans, for their own monetary gain or just pure pettiness.

As I said in the previous post, there are many mass graves to be filled once we take back our country from the rotten followers of shaytaan.

 

[Kurobecky]

@Dibleyy There’s some counties that would benefit from it for various reasons that vary from financial, religious or political reasons.
Other Africans and Western countries, like the USA and Canada that heavily support pan Africanism, extreme centralized government, globalization, open borders, nanny and/or marixism don’t want Somalia to succeed because Somalia thriving discredits their ideologies .

From the research article, Visible and Invisible Differences: The Somali Paradox by social anthropologist I.M Lewis : In exploring the difficulties experienced by the traditionally politically uncentralised Somalis in establishing a stable and effective state, based on their ethnicity, this article compares ethnicity, nationalism and lineage identity.

In this case, ethnicity and nationalism are local products, influenced but not created by the colonial experience. They have had to contend with the intractable force of segmentary lineage identity, which has proved extremely difficult to adapt and accommodate to the requirements of modern statehood.

In its cultural context, agnation is all the more pervasive and powerful in constituting an 'invisible' bond, conceived by Somalis as a biologically based distinction like 'race'.
Unlike race, it is almost infinitely elastic and divisible.

Ethnic identity, which rests on external distinctions such as language, culture and religion, cannot be broken down into a series of formally equivalent segments, but is less binding as a social force.

 

[Khaem]

@Dibleyy There’s some counties that would benefit from it for various reasons that vary from financial, religious or political reasons.
Other Africans and Western countries, like the USA and Canada that heavily support pan Africanism, extreme centralized government, globalization, open borders, nanny and/or marixism don’t want Somalia to succeed because Somalia thriving discredits their ideologies .

From the research article, Visible and Invisible Differences: The Somali Paradox by social anthropologist I.M Lewis : In exploring the difficulties experienced by the traditionally politically uncentralised Somalis in establishing a stable and effective state, based on their ethnicity, this article compares ethnicity, nationalism and lineage identity.

In this case, ethnicity and nationalism are local products, influenced but not created by the colonial experience. They have had to contend with the intractable force of segmentary lineage identity, which has proved extremely difficult to adapt and accommodate to the requirements of modern statehood.

In its cultural context, agnation is all the more pervasive and powerful in constituting an 'invisible' bond, conceived by Somalis as a biologically based distinction like 'race'.
Unlike race, it is almost infinitely elastic and divisible.

Ethnic identity, which rests on external distinctions such as language, culture and religion, cannot be broken down into a series of formally equivalent segments, but is less binding as a social force.

Somalis have a common identity as we are a homogenous single ethnicity with a single language, religion ect.
Unlike other countries like Ethiopia who are arguing over which language to use.

The main issue is we put clan loyalty and too much pride in lineage over the concept of the Somali race and Islam.
One of the deadly sins is pride, Somalis have that to the max and our society is paying the price for it.

I also agree that somalia has a big issue in that a unified somali state ruled by a single government is a bit of a challenge. Historically the Somali peninsula was ruled by smaller clan based sultanates and the closest we got to unification of the Somali peninsula was in the early half of the 1500s when the north was ruled by the Adal empire and the south was ruled by the Ajuuran.
However despite being divided into small states the Somali kingdoms did have a closer bond with each other than they would with a non somali state. Think the Somali peninsula similar to the Italian peninsula or maybe even Japan with its clan based states ruled by leaders who went to war with each other similar to how somalia was clan based kingdoms who constantly invaded each other.

This is fixable though, much of Arabia was United under the house of Saud despite their clan differences. The nation states of Europe was formed through decades of unification wars in the 1800s.

The main issue stopping somali unification is that there isn't a single entity strong enough to over power the rest and take control and untie the nation. Japan had oda nobunaga and his sons who conquered everyone else to form a unified state. Germany had prussia which unified the rest of the German states under a prussia led empire. Mongol nomadic clans United under the khan so on. Somalis just need an entity that overpowers all levels of authority on the Somali peninsula.

 

[Kurobecky]

There’s a religious element as well. A lot of Europeans, ESPECIALLY THE SLAVS are still salty about the Ottoman Empire colonizing the Balkans . Slavs have the same Post Slavery/Colonization Depression that African Americans have. Just look :

 

[Kurobecky]

 

[Sol]

NGOs are a blight on poor countries yes some are helpful but they never treat the root cause of any issues

 

[Kurobecky]

Somalis have a common identity as we are a homogenous single ethnicity with a single language, religion ect.
Unlike other countries like Ethiopia who are arguing over which language to use.

The main issue is we put clan loyalty and too much pride in lineage over the concept of the Somali race and Islam.
One of the deadly sins is pride, Somalis have that to the max and our society is paying the price for it.

I also agree that somalia has a big issue in that a unified somali state ruled by a single government is a bit of a challenge. Historically the Somali peninsula was ruled by smaller clan based sultanates and the closest we got to unification of the Somali peninsula was in the early half of the 1500s when the north was ruled by the Adal empire and the south was ruled by the Ajuuran.
However despite being divided into small states the Somali kingdoms did have a closer bond with each other than they would with a non somali state. Think the Somali peninsula similar to the Italian peninsula or maybe even Japan with its clan based states ruled by leaders who went to war with each other similar to how somalia was clan based kingdoms who constantly invaded each other.

This is fixable though, much of Arabia was United under the house of Saud despite their clan differences. The nation states of Europe was formed through decades of unification wars in the 1800s.

The main issue stopping somali unification is that there isn't a single entity strong enough to over power the rest and take control and untie the nation. Japan had oda nobunaga and his sons who conquered everyone else to form a unified state. Germany had prussia which unified the rest of the German states under a prussia led empire. Mongol nomadic clans United under the khan so on. Somalis just need an entity that overpowers all levels of authority on the Somali peninsula.

Unfortunately, The Qing Dynasty in China didn’t have a leader like Oda Nobunaga . Emperor Meiji helped industrialize and modernize Japan. The last Chinese emperor like that was Emperor Wu.

He was able to expand China all the way to the Tarim Basin and opened China to trade with the rest of the world. This became the origins of The Silk Road, a route that future Chinese dynasties would protect with extreme jealousy.
The last Chinese dynasty, The Qing by Manchus, a group of people coming from Manchuria (and who formerly called themselves the Jurchens—see Song Dynasty) to the northeast of China. For this reason, it is sometimes called the 'Manchu Dynasty'. Europe referred to the Manchus as 'Tartars'.

They made a strict tribalist authoritarian caste system .The Manchus adapted themselves quickly to the Chinese style-governance, but with important restrictions on the majority Han based on traditional Manchurian ideas. The distinction between "Manchu" and "Han" were strictly defined and ruthlessly maintained but on the basis of cultural and social conventions, rather than ethnicity. Positions of privilege were reserved only for "Manchus" belonging to the "Eight Banners", supposedly made up of loyal members of the original Manchu tribes that founded the Qing Dynasty.

 

[Basra]

Now I can acknowledge that at least 60% of our problems are tribal, we’ve had these conflicts for 200 years now!

I think the real question I want to ask other Somalis is how did it get so bad that we’ve let outer countries bribe us into keeping it in this state?!

Be for real, Al shabab isn’t getting paid $10 a day and receiving bombs and weapons from the sky, who is supplying these weapons and what is their end goal?

It pisses me off when I look at videos of the past Somalia because it looked peaceful, stable and beautiful. We had so much to the point where a lot of western countries would have pamphlets outside universities trying to entice them to study or work there and most Somalis wanted to stay in their own country.

Now you have bottom of the barrel Nigerians who are bragging about their poverty stricken shit hole countries talking shit about Somalia as if we are on the same level. Highest gdp in Africa and yet the roads look the same as Somalia and the ppl are starving beggars and scammers.

The diasporan Somalis have gone mad have a sick sense of self hatred and pretty much let ajnabis disrespect them, they’re also entitled shits. The ones who live back home are equally tapped and entitled and think their entire fucking lives are an Indian drama.

I’m getting more and more sick and tired of living in this country, the displacement is real. I feel really bitter and angry seeing a lot of ‘refugees’ who live here who have a stable country to go back to but want to claim they’re being oppressed when really it’s just about money. While I literally have no place to go back to, barely speak my own language, barely have any family who lives back home and Mogadishu gets bombed every other day so I can’t even invest properly because the building can be burnt down at any moment simply because of jealousy.

Who is at fault for the way Somalia is today? The US? Kenya? Ethiopia? Saudi Arabia? Or us the Somali people?

This is a very smart question huuno! Only Allaah swt knows

 

[Somali Saayid]

This is a very smart question huuno! Only Allaah swt knows

Eedo welcome back.

 

[Dibleyy]

This is a very smart question huuno! Only Allaah swt knows

Basra dont you usually screenshot my profile pic with no comment?! Your being nice?! is everything okay? Have the aliens taken over sis?!

 

[Basra]

Basra dont you usually screenshot my profile pic with no comment?! Your being nice?! is everything okay? Have the aliens taken over sis?!

I guess i am baaaccccccckk

 

[HabarSteven12]

Somali Moriyans

 

[Bari🐍]

The biggest problem with Somalia is Somalis. They are selfish, prideful, and lack any sort of forward thinking. They would rather be kings of a shithole than work with each other. If you saw the tuulos that they kill each other over, you wouldn't think them human. And I don't say this to insult my people, but out of love. There are deep societal problems in that country. It is very easy to blame foreign nations, but we are our biggest enemies. The only reason foreigners can radicalize our youth or keep the nation weak is because we let them with our stupidity and lack of foresight. Somalis need to stop resorting to violence for every grievance, and they need to stop trying to overpower each other. It's like they still have ptsd and paranoia from the war.

 

[mohammdov]

The problem of the Somalis is the Somalis