Who Are the Habasha (Abyssinians)?

[Cali Maxamed]

H ( Ḥ ) son of Noah, is a Jewish

ḥa means (“to be black”) from Proto-Afroasiatic .
in Somali the ( habeen ) means night .
( habeen ) : from Proto-Somaloid *hib'èén (“night”), from Proto-Cushitic *ham- (“darkness”), from Proto-Afroasiatic *ḥam- (“to be black”). Cognates include Jiiddu hamin, and Rendille iben.

b ↔ l ,
n ↔ l ,
hab → hal → lee (

also ,
g ↔ ḥ ,
m ↔ b ,
ḥam = gub ,
gub means to burn ( would eventually turn black ) .

Cush or Kush ( Hebrew: כּוּשׁ
k ↔ g ,
sh ↔ b ,
kꜣš ( kaash ) in ancient Egyptian language .
כּוּשׁ Kin Hebrew
aa ,
kꜣš ( kaash ) → כּוּשׁ Kūš ( kuush ) .

kaash ( kuush / Cush in Hebrew ) ↔ ḥaam / gub .
kaash ( kuush / Cush in Hebrew ) ↔ khaal .

**- the word

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These are not mythical or fabricated characters. The proof lies in the Qur’an and the Prophetic hadiths, where the Prophet mentioned Noah’s three sons, and the Qur’an states that his descendants were the ones who remained, from whom all the nations of the earth came. Please note that your critical and overly skeptical approach—especially trying to reduce everything to linguistic analysis—is misguided. I'm open to hearing your arguments, but anything that contradicts the Qur’an and authentic hadiths is a red line. If you are a Muslim, you should not cross that line.

 

[GALAN]

These are not mythical or fabricated characters. The proof lies in the Qur’an and the Prophetic hadiths, where the Prophet mentioned Noah’s three sons, and the Qur’an states that his descendants were the ones who remained, from whom all the nations of the earth came. Please note that your critical and overly skeptical approach—especially trying to reduce everything to linguistic analysis—is misguided. I'm open to hearing your arguments, but anything that contradicts the Qur’an and authentic hadiths is a red line. If you are a Muslim, you should not cross that line.

Quran does not mention his three sons this is a grave sin do not lie on the word of Allah

 

[cunug3aad]

These are not mythical or fabricated characters. The proof lies in the Qur’an and the Prophetic hadiths, where the Prophet mentioned Noah’s three sons, and the Qur’an states that his descendants were the ones who remained, from whom all the nations of the earth came. Please note that your critical and overly skeptical approach—especially trying to reduce everything to linguistic analysis—is misguided. I'm open to hearing your arguments, but anything that contradicts the Qur’an and authentic hadiths is a red line. If you are a Muslim, you should not cross that line.

Why cant a name refer to a charastericic? The prophet is literally called Muhammad

 

[Arabsiyawi]

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One thing that needs to be noted is that, among Horn African Muslims, it’s been a pretty universal thing to strictly associate the term « Habesha » with Ethiopian Orthodox Christians. To this day you still have Jebertis and a lot of Central/Southern Ethiopian Muslims who categorically refuse the label.

 

[Cali Maxamed]

Why cant a name refer to a charastericic? The prophet is literally called Muhammad

The name of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is "محمد," which is written/spelled in Latin letters as "Muhammad."

Meaning of the name:
"Muḥammad" is an Arabic name that means "the praised one" (al-muḥammad), i.e., "the glorious."
It also means "the commendable" (al-maḥmūd), i.e., "the praised," "the exalted," or "the one worthy of praise."
The name is derived from the linguistic root "ḥ-m-d," which means "praise, gratitude, and commendation."

The name of the Prophet Muhammad—"Muhammad" in English—means "the praised one," "the glorious," or "the exalted."


So, based on this, should we say that the Prophet is a mythical figure? Our friend's methodology is flawed, and if we follow it, we’ll end up like this video below.

 

[Cali Maxamed]

Quran does not mention his three sons this is a grave sin do not lie on the word of Allah

I said

Prophet mentioned Noah’s three sons

As for the Quran. I said

the Qur’an states that his descendants were the ones who remained, from whom all the nations of the earth came.

I'm speaking English. It's tedious to repeat everything I say multiple times

 

[cunug3aad]

I said

As for the Quran. I said

I'm speaking English. It's tedious to repeat everything I say multiple times

The quran only mentions he has descendants and the prophet in the hadith only mentions "sons" not 3 of them. The only places where you can find any hint of this is in tafsiir and these sources are tenuous because they may come from biblical tradition

The name of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is "محمد," which is written/spelled in Latin letters as "Muhammad."

Meaning of the name:
"Muḥammad" is an Arabic name that means "the praised one" (al-muḥammad), i.e., "the glorious."
It also means "the commendable" (al-maḥmūd), i.e., "the praised," "the exalted," or "the one worthy of praise."
The name is derived from the linguistic root "ḥ-m-d," which means "praise, gratitude, and commendation."

The name of the Prophet Muhammad—"Muhammad" in English—means "the praised one," "the glorious," or "the exalted."


So, based on this, should we say that the Prophet is a mythical figure? Our friend's methodology is flawed, and if we follow it, we’ll end up like this video below.

Maakhri says xaam is a jewish mythical character because the details we get from him are all from the bible such as the curse which turns his descendants black, which is linked linguistically with his name, and which is problematic in islamic tradition because it is not fair to be punished for something you had no power over. Furthermore this is a minor point which does not play a part in the islamic narratives so we as muslims are able to neither believe nor disbelieve in it but rather believe in what Allaah has revealed to us, and do a linguistic analysis as he has done.
We can also do linguistic analysis on the prophet's name, unrelated to our beliefs

 

[GALAN]

I said

As for the Quran. I said

I'm speaking English. It's tedious to repeat everything I say multiple times

yes but you say HAM, SAM, and Japheth existed you cannot say his solely because of the fact that only Nabi Nuts descendants survived how can you conclude we descended from these three.

 

[GALAN]

These are not mythical or fabricated characters. The proof lies in the Qur’an and the Prophetic hadiths, where the Prophet mentioned Noah’s three sons, and the Qur’an states that his descendants were the ones who remained, from whom all the nations of the earth came. Please note that your critical and overly skeptical approach—especially trying to reduce everything to linguistic analysis—is misguided. I'm open to hearing your arguments, but anything that contradicts the Qur’an and authentic hadiths is a red line. If you are a Muslim, you should not cross that line.

These Hadith do exist but they are weak.

I am not denying these people existed


You possibly could be right here but we cannot jump to conclusions and Allahu alam if these people ever existed.

 

[Cali Maxamed]

which is linked linguistically with his name

 

[Cali Maxamed]

These Hadith do exist but they are weak.

The proof lies in the Qur’an and the Prophetic hadiths, where the Prophet mentioned Noah’s three sons

After researching the authenticity of that hadith, it became clear to me that this narration is weak (da'if) and cannot be legitimately attributed to the Prophet (peace be upon him).

However, as cunug3aad mentioned, we neither deny what is stated in the Torah and Gospel nor affirm its truth unconditionally.

 

[cunug3aad]

I dont get your argument. Names have origins from characteristics associated with a person, like if they were called smith because they do blacksmithing, or maybe named after another notable person, like john. English is just the worst language to talk about qualities of names because they are so far removed from their origins like i dont know what brian means, apparently its a celtic word meaning might/power or hill but no one knows what celtic is.. you see the point

But these are afroasiatic languages we talking about that have preserved themselves much better over time than english, so of course they are going to sound more literal. Also you may also want to take into account that these historical names like ham can be forgotten and changed because of how they are transmitted orally over time. For example a commonly transmitted origin story for nuh's name

اسم علم مذكر سامي قديم، معناه الراحة. وقالوا: نوح عربي على اسم النبي نوح، واسمه الأصلي يَشكر أو عبد الغفار. ولكثرة بكائه ونواحه على خطيئته وتقصيره في طاعة ربه أوحى الله إليه: "يا نوحُ، كم تنوحُ؟" فسُمِّي نوحاً.​

 

[Maakhri2024]

This is what I ( Maakhri2024 ) wrote in message #3 : ↓ ↓

in Somali language dictionary :

xaabso (ḥaabso ) means : to gather together ~ up for
oneself .
xaab (ḥaab) : to sweep (up), to collect, to gather; glean,
get what food one can (of animal) .
xaabi (ḥaabi ) : to collect, to sweep up, to gather, to pick up .

xaab ( ḥaab ) : Wax ururin .
xaabis ( ḥaabis ) , xaabin ( ḥaabin ) , xaabsasho .
xaabso ( ḥaabso ) (xaasaday, xaasatay) Wax firirsan oo
meel wada yaal mar wada qaadasho .

Etymologically, the word Ḥabash ( xaabsto / xaabsasho ) refers to a people renowned for collecting , harvesting and gathering valuable resins, including frankincense,
myrrh .

This is what I ( Maakhri2024 ) got from Arabsiyawi yesterday at 8:56 pm: Funny


This is what NidarNidar wrote in message #15: ↓ ↓

According to Dr. Eduard Glaser, a renowned Austrian epigraphist and historian, Habeshas were originally from Southeastern Yemen who lived east of the Hadhramaut kingdom in the modern district of Mahra.[2] He believed the etymology of Habesha must have derived from the Mahri language which means "gatherers" [2] (as in gatherers of incense).

Guess what NidarNidar got from Arabsiyawi ?

NidarNidar got from Arabsiyawi yesterday at 8:57 pm : Like


Can you spot a difference between what I wrote and what NidarNidar wrote ?

@TheLand
How could Arabsiyawi efficiently read the content I wrote ( in message # 3 ), as well as NidarNidar's ( in message #15 ), in just one minute?

This individual (Arabsiyawi) has consistently adhered to this pattern for the past two years.

Might you provide a thoughtful assessment of this character’s behavioral patterns and underlying motivations ?

Arabsiyawi reacted to Maakhri2024's message #3 yesterday at 8:56 pm .↓

Arabsiyawi reacted to NidarNidar's message #15 yesterday at 8:57 pm . ↓

 

[Maakhri2024]

For example a commonly transmitted origin story for Noah's name

اسم علم مذكر سامي قديم، معناه الراحة. وقالوا: نوح عربي على اسم النبي نوح، واسمه الأصلي يَشكر أو عبد الغفار. ولكثرة بكائه ونواحه على خطيئته وتقصيره في طاعة ربه أوحى الله إليه: "يا نوحُ، كم تنوحُ؟" فسُمِّي نوحاً.​

Hebrew : The root נָח ( nḥ / nkh ) conveys the concept of rest .

Somali : The root naso ( ns ) signifies rest.

Arabic : The root رَاحَة ( rḥ ) denotes rest .

Aramaic and Syriac languages ܢܘܚܐ ( nḥ / nkh ) related to resting .

Classical Syriac ܢܘܚܐ ( nḥ / nkh) :
1- quiet, calm, serenity, repose, rest .
2- resting-place .
3- (weather) calm weather .
4- inactivity, cessation .

n ↔ r ,
ḥ / kh ↔ s ,

nḥ ( נָח nuukh ) ↔ ns ( naso ) ↔ rḥ ( رَاحَة raaḥa ) .

even the Germanic / English word ( rest ) is related to the word ( naso / nuuḥ ( nuux ) .
n ↔ r ,
sh ↔ t ,
naso → nasasho → rest .

I think the original root of Noah's name was ( nl : nool ) which means alive, denoting the long life span of the prophet nuuḥ ( nuux ) .

L ↔ s / sh / ḥ / kh ,
nL : nool ↔ nuukh ↔ nuuḥ ...