Where do Somalis originate from?

[Hamzza]

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[attash]

Lamagoodles originated in the north, while D&M originated in the south. I read this theory that both of them are descended from a proto-Somali population that lived in southern Ethiopia.

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Lamagoodles originated in the north, while D&M originated in the south. I read this theory that both of them are descended from a proto-Somali population that lived in southern Ethiopia.

d&m don't descend from the south, they entered the south in the 16th century after reer samaale and they are also lamagoodle

 

[mohamedismail]

d&m don't descend from the south, they entered the south in the 16th century after reer samaale and they are also lamagoodle

We entered the south in the 13th century actually not 16th. Second of all when we entered we encountered Gaala Madow people in which we converted to Islam and banished those who denied Islam.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Obviously from the waqooyi

 

[mohamedismail]

My answer is neither. I believe the bulk of Somalis originate in Western Somalia aka Somali Galbeed. Especially if you listen to Somali oral history it will tell you that we originate in Harar region.

D&M oral history also states we originate from Harar region and gradually migrated to southern Somalia. Southern Somalia pre D&M was inhabited by non Muslims who were later on pushed out by the D&M and some assimilated.

Some Somalis may have also originated in the north but they are minority compared to the ones who originate from Galbeed.

 

[Burqad]

Lamagoodles originated in the north, while D&M originated in the south. I read this theory that both of them are descended from a proto-Somali population that lived in southern Ethiopia.

D&M are from modern day Oromia, they used to live there until the Oromo invasion

 

[attash]

We entered the south in the 13th century actually not 16th. Second of all when we entered we encountered Gaala Madow people in which we converted to Islam and banished those who denied Islam.

From what I've read, Af-maay speakers branched off from the proto-Somali population thousands of years ago and then began migrating to the southern rivers. The Af-Maxaa Tidhi speakers went north.

Hawiye presence in the south has been recorded since at least the 12th century. If D&M migrated south in the 13th like you said, this means Lamagoodles came to the south before them.

 

[mohamedismail]

From what I've read, Af-maay speakers branched off from the proto-Somali population thousands of years ago and then began migrating to the southern rivers. The Af-Maxaa Tidhi speakers went north.

Hawiye presence in the south has been recorded since at least the 12th century. If D&M migrated south in the 13th like you said, this means Lamagoodles came to the south before them.

That could be true. There were definitely cushitic living in the south before us Reewins. I can't confirm if they were hawiye or other samaales. But according to oral traditions they were gaalos and were pushed out due to them refusing to accept the religion.

 

[Hargeysa]

D&M are from modern day Oromia, they used to live there until the Oromo invasion

Who's D&M? Thanks in advance

 

[attash]

Who's D&M? Thanks in advance

Digil iyo Mirifle. They are a tribal confederation in the south who speak the Af-maay dialect.

 

[mohamedismail]

Digil iyo Mirifle. They are a tribal confederation in the south who speak the Af-maay dialect.

Confederation. We aint no confederation. We are just as authentic clan as Hawiye Daarood and Dir.

 

[Step a side]

Dalalos the MX guy asked me about the migration route his clan took so I went on to explain.

Both Adal and Ajuran coincidently destructed in a similar timeframe, so migrations in Somalia were abundant. I read a mention of Isaq, Geri, Harti, MX and Other Dir and Karanle still living in Hararge today. In the North 1600s Dir were too far west and started moving back to the east. MX split three ways from Harar, some remained with the Geri and the general region, a group went south (Rer Hasan etc) and majority stayed in the current MX areas between Shilaabo to their old Ximan. The bulk of Hiraab moved south and captured Mogadishu. The Harti moved east from Sanaag. The Ajuran moved to Kenya. Gugundhabe held the long left bank of the Shabelle starting from Bale all the way to Afgooye until the Absame grew in numbers to leave northwestern Somalia and dominate the Ogaden region or desert. Karanles didn't migrate to Somalia during this upheavel nor did the Geri and some Dir clans, they faced the brunt of damages by Oromia, Afars and Gurages. Just like the Murusade part of Villa Somalias road was the most battle struck part of the Civil War.

Before 1600, there was a long Haysin caravan route that went from Harar to Berbera down the Nugaal valley, the desert inbetween the 3 was harsh but temporay, in times of the numerous Adal leaders of the 1400/1500 alot of experts and farmers came and built small towns. The oromo expansion also contributed to economy, they are more intelligent than Somalis and ruled Ethiopia many times now.

The Bimal were also in Tadjoura before they came to live with Sheekhaal in Merca. But the original southern clans of Karanles (including murusade), Garres, RX and old Hawiye clans like Silcis, Xaskul, Ajuran etc were part of the 1600 southern migrations. All these clans were already southern tribes and either migrated back to the North or dispersed even more. RX were two groups one in Harar and one in the Bakool Afdheer area. Garre moved from the baraawe-kismaayo hinterlands, into kenya and ethiopia. Murusade moved north from Barawe closer to Marka, Xamar and Afgooye while the central Murusades moved south in small groups to the river. Xaskuls, Silcis and remnants of Hawiye of the ancient south returned back to Xamar, or moved to Mudug or Harar. Digil and small samaales of ancient koonfur migrated up and down the coast they never crossed their side of the rivers much.


MX lived in Old Ximan, a vast area including the Nugal valley. Murusade is ancient and split up long before these wars from the Karanle. The Murusade that lived with the Hirab moved south from Nugaal. Another splinter Murusade already lived in Xamar and various migrations happened around Benadir. The Karanles were scattered between the 14 mountains from Harar to Imey. XL is also another ancient clan that had seperated before any wars and some lived in Ethiopia and some lived in the South before they met in the centre to dominate Hiiraan

The Murusade that were recruited or stayed behind in Harar are the Musetuur Codweyne living in Dire Dawa today. There have always been old Hawiye remaining around Harar continuously for over 2 millenia. Even Abgaal have a clan called Abdaal living in Hararge.

 

[attash]

Confederation. We aint no confederation. We are just as authentic clan as Hawiye Daarood and Dir.

I didn't mean that you guys aren't related to each other, I meant that you are a collection of major sub-clans with a common origin, just like Hawiye and Darood.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Lamagoodles originated in the north, while D&M originated in the south. I read this theory that both of them are descended from a proto-Somali population that lived in southern Ethiopia.

actually D%M orginated from shabelle river

 

[Burqad]

actually D%M orginated from shabelle river

Shabelle where Arsi now live. I have a theory that the jrers on the Shabelle are related to the omotic people who even today live in that area as iron and tanning workers for the oromo, and why D&M lack a madhibaan section living among them like the other Somali clans

 

[Cartan Boos]

Shabelle where Arsi now live. I have a theory that the jrers on the Shabelle are related to the omotic people who even today live in that area as iron and tanning workers for the oromo, and why D&M lack a madhibaan section living among them like the other Somali clans

yes, around the bale and shabelle, nahh they were brought by hawiye and ajuran

 

[Burqad]

yes, around the bale and shabelle, nahh they were brought by hawiye and ajuran

Shiidle and Makaane lineages are too long for them to be descended from slaves, and they’ve clearly lived among Somalis for a long period of time. Maybe their numbers have been bolstered by escaped slaves and outcaste ethnic Somalis, but I think the core of them was probably omotic “madhibaan”, who lived among the early D&M like the konso and burji do today among the Borana.

 

[Khaem]

That could be true. There were definitely cushitic living in the south before us Reewins. I can't confirm if they were hawiye or other samaales. But according to oral traditions they were gaalos and were pushed out due to them refusing to accept the religion.

The whole region was always Cushitic. It's just somalis moved in and killed the other tribes.
Much of Cushitic Kenya would've been recently lost to Bantu expansion.

 

[NidarNidar]

The whole region was always Cushitic. It's just somalis moved in and killed the other tribes.
Much of Cushitic Kenya would've been recently lost to Bantu expansion.

The only South Cushites that are still around are the Iraqw, the rest have been assimilated into Bantus and some have travelled as far as South Africa mixing in with the local population and bringing pastoralism to the locals.