When will PL declare independence

[Socrates]

What do you guys think will happen if PL leaves?

 

[DR OSMAN]

What do you guys think will happen if PL leaves?

It wont happen unless there is situation of a 'vacuum' and PL needs to save itself and the world knows that its wisest decision to save what is savable then what is not savable and let it run its course the unsavable. Wa inay jirta a huge reason to the world and proof your actually focusing on solutions and not playing apart of the misery of the people as u will only spread that out regionally and globally as the world copies your methodology

 

[DR OSMAN]

I dont want to conquer hamar but design a solution that they stay within their 'territory' zone, hamar has enuff issues then handling regional matters also, as they demonstrate there is success there, it's a-lot easy to talk and not be worried regionally that we are heading back into conflict mode mogadishu due to none of our requirements to be met. We just dont wanna die, we have that right niyahow and we dont wanna beg you or convince u of something that even animals understand.

 

[Socrates]

@DR OSMAN Do you want to be independent?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN Do you want to be independent?

That is not the will of the people, I would love to discuss negiotations of commonwealth with OMAN and a proven mamul, proven good history, trust of great porportion between the two parties, etc but that is unrealistic due UN approval how it will fit within the model of the world order. The realistic issue the people have chosen this man made somalia 'mythology' and I am not going against the will of masses, but only how to make this myth work is the discussion

 

[PhySom]

Somalia is like the early United states. States have their own army and are only beginning to agree on a proper constitution.

Puntland is not declaring independence, we just haven't agreed on the constitutional rights of the federal government.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Somalia is like the early United states. States have their own army and are only beginning to agree on a proper constitution.

Puntland is not declaring independence, we just haven't agreed on the constitutional rights of the federal government.

I am not saying PL is perfect but it's in the solution focused model, it separated itself from conflict model to show it's going to work in a space with 'no somali actor hence we are given the leadership role' and let the players in the south play within the conflict model because it's known that the conflict model ends nowhere positive.

PL needs to focus on good governance now and by mixing PL with Hamar with clearly different priorities is going to cause mistrust and people to not cooperate. Mogadishu needs to learn to stop looking outside but start looking within and developing evidence about themselves as positive. I found one thing the south credibility finishes, they don't talk about themselves meaning they clearly need to be 'led' by someone else or else they would sxb.

 

[Tukraq]

Never, we are in it for the long haul, we just have a horrible fgs currently however a rational regime will eventually come, even SL is in the same situation once a rational regime is in place and as @PhySom said is ready for a US style state system with state rights we will come together just like the early US that was in the same exact predicament

 

[DR OSMAN]

Never, we are in it for the long haul, we just have a horrible fgs currently however a rational regime will eventually come, even SL is in the same situation once a rational regime is in place and as @PhySom said is ready for a US style state system with state rights we will come together just like the early US that was in the same exact predicament

SL media propaganda must of got to u, lol it's funny how ppl can be convinced with bit of TV selling. SL is identical to Hamar. Violent beginning not peaceful under the tree puntland style state building. These niggas had technicals all over awdal niyahow, yet claim a democracy? that's first mistake they made and when they realized it, they joined idealogical groups that are 'conflict driven'. If u preent the SL a solution model, he can't accept it, since they are in chaos model.

There is huge divisions among them inside Isaaq, that is why u see Fowziyo Haji aden pro somalia fearing a sacad muse LED SL. U see galgala leaders primarily hj/hy leadership to bring down PL with HY civilians in bosaso providing information. They employ isaaq lives matter style tactics of we were genocided 'using emotional appeal' politics meaning it's not 'rational' or else u could prove it scientifically. Emotions doesnt create a state, it leads to your desire not what is rational and testable. They refuse SSC referendum to show if it's the will of the people cause they know it's not which then conflicts with how are you 'democracy'. They killed garowe imam(hj), HY operates in galgala also. Their not doing it to discredit' PL cause CIA knows we are 'hated' by Somalis, their doing it to 'descredit sacad muse regime as terrorist haven'' their openly living in erigavo and burco.

So gimme a break on SL, they never provide a single solution to Somalia, not one that is the will of the people and PROVABLE nor any solution focused politics. They never had sultanates, they were a bunch of tribes under the colony of ENGLAND, there was no treaty with a government, it said ELDERS OF ISAAQ. Why u like them so much niyahow? is it emotionally driven, they are the worst among somalis as they don't produce jack shit in terms of solutions. SL waan jecel ahay iyo Hamar waan neceb ahay means u support one conflict model style politics over another jepordising PL role as mother of somalia.

 

[Tukraq]

SL media propaganda must of got to u, lol it's funny how ppl can be convinced with bit of TV selling. SL is identical to Hamar. Violent beginning not peaceful under the tree puntland style state building. These niggas had technicals all over awdal niyahow, yet claim a democracy? that's first mistake they made and when they realized it, they joined idealogical groups that are 'conflict driven'. If u preent the SL a solution model, he can't accept it, since they are in chaos model.

There is huge divisions among them inside Isaaq, that is why u see Fowziyo Haji aden pro somalia fearing a sacad muse LED SL. U see galgala leaders primarily hj/hy leadership to bring down PL with HY civilians in bosaso providing information. They employ isaaq lives matter style tactics of we were genocided 'using emotional appeal' politics meaning it's not 'rational' or else u could prove it scientifically. Emotions doesnt create a state, it leads to your desire not what is rational and testable. They refuse SSC referendum to show if it's the will of the people cause they know it's not which then conflicts with how are you 'democracy'. They killed garowe imam(hj), HY operates in galgala also. Their not doing it to discredit' PL cause CIA knows we are 'hated' by Somalis, their doing it to 'descredit sacad muse regime as terrorist haven'' their openly living in erigavo and burco.

So gimme a break on SL, they never provide a single solution to Somalia, not one that is the will of the people and PROVABLE nor any solution focused politics. They never had sultanates, they were a bunch of tribes under the colony of ENGLAND, there was no treaty with a government, it said ELDERS OF ISAAQ. Why u like them so much niyahow? is it emotionally driven, they are the worst among somalis as they don't produce jack shit in terms of solutions. SL waan jecel ahay iyo Hamar waan neceb ahay means u support one conflict model style politics over another jepordising PL role as mother of somalia.

We’re talking about a military pact, you don’t have to think they’re successful lol, look at hitler and stalins pact