What is wrong with them?

Aurelian

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They are claiming that Africans were gay friendly trans supportive and yadi yadi ya. And all homotransphobics is due colonialism.


I’m sure some Somalis will come up saying ““abayasheydi khaniisinta wey ogolayeen” type of shit to fit in.
some of them talking about Egyptian female goddess having penis. :dead:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum


Many parts of the world didn't have a problem with homosexuals. So theyre right to an extent. People seem to think the world was 100% against homosexuals in the past. It was only really 'bad' after the 18th century for many countries, which is when Christianity began to dominate most of the world.


"The Ancient Greek tradition of an older man courting a younger man in a sometimes homoerotic and symbiotic social relationship. The older man would be expected to have wisdom and experience which he would pass onto the younger boy, while the younger boy would act as a muse to the older man. These relationships held a very important place in society, as families were bonded not only by marrying off daughters and exchanging dowries but developing these relationships between their sons and older men of powerful families creating a sense of political unison. The relationships were viewed as a pupil-student bond and the erotic element of the relationship was viewed as a building block to education."


In greece, Homosexual relations didn't replace heterosexual, it was acceptable but not the norm



"John Boswell argued that up until the twelfth century, same-sex desire and activity were not a major concern to the church or to lay society (writing in the late 1970s he used the terms “homosexuality” and “gay people”).1 When Peter Damian wrote his Book of Gomorrah sometime around the middle of the eleventh century, the first major blast against same-sex relations among the clergy, the Pope declined to act on it.2 Boswell argued that this changed in the thirteenth century, when legal systems began to adopt strict penalties (and sometimes enforce them) and churchmen, following in particular the lead of Thomas Aquinas, used the discourse of “nature” to cast any nonreproductive sex as deeply deviant"

Even Christians in Europe only really focused on homosexuality after the 12th century.

England reiterated its anti-sodomy laws in the 16th century, but these early cases featured homosexuality as a tangential charge, and it wasn't until the 19th century that someone was executed for homosexuality.

  • 1548 – The provisions of the Buggery Act 1533 were given new force, with minor amendments. The penalty for buggery remained death, but goods and lands were not forfeit, and the rights of wives and heirs were safeguarded.[23]"
  • 1553 – Mary Tudor ascends the English throne and repeals the Buggery Act 1533 during her brief reign of 1553–8.[23]




"The noble class of the Mughals engaged in both homosexuality and pederasty, the latter considered as "pure love" and prevalent among those from Central Asia. In India, however, this wasn't as rife. The governor of Burhanpur was murdered by a boy servant with whom he tried to be intimate with. Ali Quli Khan was recorded to have homosexual relations with males.[4]"



"Anthropologists Stephen Murray and Will Roscoe reported that women in Lesotho engaged in socially sanctioned "long term, erotic relationships," named motsoalle.[7][page needed] E. E. Evans-Pritchard also recorded that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely took on boy-wives between the ages of twelve and twenty, who helped with household tasks and participated in intercrural sex with their older husbands. The practice had died out by the early 20th century, after Europeans had gained control of African countries, but was recounted to Evans-Pritchard by the elders with whom he spoke.[8]"
 

Aurelian

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum


Many parts of the world didn't have a problem with homosexuals. So theyre right to an extent. People seem to think the world was 100% against homosexuals in the past. It was only really 'bad' after the 18th century for many countries, which is when Christianity began to dominate most of the world.


"The Ancient Greek tradition of an older man courting a younger man in a sometimes homoerotic and symbiotic social relationship. The older man would be expected to have wisdom and experience which he would pass onto the younger boy, while the younger boy would act as a muse to the older man. These relationships held a very important place in society, as families were bonded not only by marrying off daughters and exchanging dowries but developing these relationships between their sons and older men of powerful families creating a sense of political unison. The relationships were viewed as a pupil-student bond and the erotic element of the relationship was viewed as a building block to education."


In greece, Homosexual relations didn't replace heterosexual, it was acceptable but not the norm



"John Boswell argued that up until the twelfth century, same-sex desire and activity were not a major concern to the church or to lay society (writing in the late 1970s he used the terms “homosexuality” and “gay people”).1 When Peter Damian wrote his Book of Gomorrah sometime around the middle of the eleventh century, the first major blast against same-sex relations among the clergy, the Pope declined to act on it.2 Boswell argued that this changed in the thirteenth century, when legal systems began to adopt strict penalties (and sometimes enforce them) and churchmen, following in particular the lead of Thomas Aquinas, used the discourse of “nature” to cast any nonreproductive sex as deeply deviant"

Even Christians in Europe only really focused on homosexuality after the 12th century.

England reiterated its anti-sodomy laws in the 16th century, but these early cases featured homosexuality as a tangential charge, and it wasn't until the 19th century that someone was executed for homosexuality.

  • 1548 – The provisions of the Buggery Act 1533 were given new force, with minor amendments. The penalty for buggery remained death, but goods and lands were not forfeit, and the rights of wives and heirs were safeguarded.[23]"
  • 1553 – Mary Tudor ascends the English throne and repeals the Buggery Act 1533 during her brief reign of 1553–8.[23]




"The noble class of the Mughals engaged in both homosexuality and pederasty, the latter considered as "pure love" and prevalent among those from Central Asia. In India, however, this wasn't as rife. The governor of Burhanpur was murdered by a boy servant with whom he tried to be intimate with. Ali Quli Khan was recorded to have homosexual relations with males.[4]"



"Anthropologists Stephen Murray and Will Roscoe reported that women in Lesotho engaged in socially sanctioned "long term, erotic relationships," named motsoalle.[7][page needed] E. E. Evans-Pritchard also recorded that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely took on boy-wives between the ages of twelve and twenty, who helped with household tasks and participated in intercrural sex with their older husbands. The practice had died out by the early 20th century, after Europeans had gained control of African countries, but was recounted to Evans-Pritchard by the elders with whom he spoke.[8]"
Some societies being ok with homos doesn’t mean everyone was like that as they claim in the tweets.
 
Some societies being ok with homos doesn’t mean everyone was like that as they claim in the tweets.
I don't see where it says everyone in the text they screenshoted. They just said it wasn't something rare to see in parts of the world. Who knows even Somalis might've been accepting of homosexuals before Islam took over. I'd have to try look for it or ask historians.
 
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Qeelbax

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Definitely not my ancestors, wouldn’t be shocked with their ancestors, as described by ibn khaldun, approved of such shit. But even then, most africans looked down on this regardless of colonialism or not. Stuff like this would’ve been well documented but they bring like nothing.
 

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Definitely not my ancestors, wouldn’t be shocked with their ancestors, as described by ibn khaldun, approved of such shit. But even then, most africans looked down on this regardless of colonialism or not. Stuff like this would’ve been well documented but they bring like nothing.
Definitely not Africans and I can 100% prove this because of history and the way homosexuality was viewed even in the past.

People in Africa this this got imported by the white people, that says enough.
 

greznigrezni

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I don't see where it says everyone in the text they screenshoted. They just said it wasn't something rare to see in parts of the world. Who knows even Somalis might've been accepting of homosexuals before Islam took over. I'd have to try look for it or ask historians.
I agree it wasn't common, but there's no way people didn't try it.
 
Definitely not Africans and I can 100% prove this because of history and the way homosexuality was viewed even in the past.

People in Africa this this got imported by the white people, that says enough.

If you read the sources I've linked, homosexual practices died out due to Europeans taking control over African countries. The world became more conservative and discouraged homosexuality which was mostly inspired by colonialism.


"We argue that colonial Christian missions had a long-term impact on anti-gay attitudes in Africa. We use a geo-coded representative survey of African countries and the location of historical Christian missions to estimate a significant and economically meaningful association between proximity to historical missions and anti-gay sentiments today. Using anthropological data on pre-colonial acceptance of homosexual practices among indigenous groups, we show that the establishment of missions, while nonrandom, was exogenous to pre-existing same-sex patterns among indigenous population. The estimated effect is driven by persons of Christian faith and statistically indistinguishable from zero on samples of Muslims, nonbelievers, and followers of traditional indigenous religions. Thus, we argue that our results are indicative of a causal effect of missionary religious conversion to Christianity."


There are many books on homosexuality in precolonial Africa from academic perspectives.


"Hungochani unpacks this paradox. It challenges the myth that homosexuality is historically un-African. Colonialism and Western decadence did not introduce same-sex practices to southern Africa but rather the concept of homophobia, the active loathing or fear of same-sex practices and desires."



I agree it wasn't common, but there's no way people didn't try it.
Thats a respectable position.
 

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If you read the sources I've linked, homosexual practices died out due to Europeans taking control over African countries. The world became more conservative and discouraged homosexuality which was mostly inspired by colonialism.


"We argue that colonial Christian missions had a long-term impact on anti-gay attitudes in Africa. We use a geo-coded representative survey of African countries and the location of historical Christian missions to estimate a significant and economically meaningful association between proximity to historical missions and anti-gay sentiments today. Using anthropological data on pre-colonial acceptance of homosexual practices among indigenous groups, we show that the establishment of missions, while nonrandom, was exogenous to pre-existing same-sex patterns among indigenous population. The estimated effect is driven by persons of Christian faith and statistically indistinguishable from zero on samples of Muslims, nonbelievers, and followers of traditional indigenous religions. Thus, we argue that our results are indicative of a causal effect of missionary religious conversion to Christianity."


There are many books on homosexuality in precolonial Africa from academic perspectives.


"Hungochani unpacks this paradox. It challenges the myth that homosexuality is historically un-African. Colonialism and Western decadence did not introduce same-sex practices to southern Africa but rather the concept of homophobia, the active loathing or fear of same-sex practices and desires."




Thats a respectable position.
Okay lemme read:
 

Djokovic

Somali Arab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_and_Niankhkhnum


Many parts of the world didn't have a problem with homosexuals. So theyre right to an extent. People seem to think the world was 100% against homosexuals in the past. It was only really 'bad' after the 18th century for many countries, which is when Christianity began to dominate most of the world.


"The Ancient Greek tradition of an older man courting a younger man in a sometimes homoerotic and symbiotic social relationship. The older man would be expected to have wisdom and experience which he would pass onto the younger boy, while the younger boy would act as a muse to the older man. These relationships held a very important place in society, as families were bonded not only by marrying off daughters and exchanging dowries but developing these relationships between their sons and older men of powerful families creating a sense of political unison. The relationships were viewed as a pupil-student bond and the erotic element of the relationship was viewed as a building block to education."


In greece, Homosexual relations didn't replace heterosexual, it was acceptable but not the norm



"John Boswell argued that up until the twelfth century, same-sex desire and activity were not a major concern to the church or to lay society (writing in the late 1970s he used the terms “homosexuality” and “gay people”).1 When Peter Damian wrote his Book of Gomorrah sometime around the middle of the eleventh century, the first major blast against same-sex relations among the clergy, the Pope declined to act on it.2 Boswell argued that this changed in the thirteenth century, when legal systems began to adopt strict penalties (and sometimes enforce them) and churchmen, following in particular the lead of Thomas Aquinas, used the discourse of “nature” to cast any nonreproductive sex as deeply deviant"

Even Christians in Europe only really focused on homosexuality after the 12th century.

England reiterated its anti-sodomy laws in the 16th century, but these early cases featured homosexuality as a tangential charge, and it wasn't until the 19th century that someone was executed for homosexuality.

  • 1548 – The provisions of the Buggery Act 1533 were given new force, with minor amendments. The penalty for buggery remained death, but goods and lands were not forfeit, and the rights of wives and heirs were safeguarded.[23]"
  • 1553 – Mary Tudor ascends the English throne and repeals the Buggery Act 1533 during her brief reign of 1553–8.[23]




"The noble class of the Mughals engaged in both homosexuality and pederasty, the latter considered as "pure love" and prevalent among those from Central Asia. In India, however, this wasn't as rife. The governor of Burhanpur was murdered by a boy servant with whom he tried to be intimate with. Ali Quli Khan was recorded to have homosexual relations with males.[4]"



"Anthropologists Stephen Murray and Will Roscoe reported that women in Lesotho engaged in socially sanctioned "long term, erotic relationships," named motsoalle.[7][page needed] E. E. Evans-Pritchard also recorded that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely took on boy-wives between the ages of twelve and twenty, who helped with household tasks and participated in intercrural sex with their older husbands. The practice had died out by the early 20th century, after Europeans had gained control of African countries, but was recounted to Evans-Pritchard by the elders with whom he spoke.[8]"
Why u so passionate about this
 

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