What is this Bantu woman saying, and is she valid?

[Espaa_]

Talk about anti-discrimination, but don't lie about the history of the Somali peninsula to appease minorities. That does not honor them.

Lying when its an actual theory. I gave you a whole thread in which people have debated about their origins.

 

[Crook]

Icl i didnt wanna say this but stick to SL politics and other regions where its strictly “ethnic” somali. We in the south are happy with them regardless of ideology. Dont bring that here. We accept them whether they are majority or minority. We should increase intermarriage with them in fact and break these stereotypes.

insha Allah I see a government made up of diverse individuals from all somali backgrounds and dialects and I see the racist 4.5 system dismantled.

Allah said in the Quran. We have created you into different colours and tribes so that you may get to know one another

 

[marcellady]

i will defend a patriotic somali bantu before ill ever defend a isaaq you secessionist mf

You need to check yourself, respectfully.

 

[The alchemist]

Lying when its an actual theory. I gave you a whole thread in which people have debated about their origins.

It's not a theory if it is not substantiated by much evidence (this is a fact in matters of archeology, anthropology, ethnography, and science). It is a fabricated story, that is all it is; a lie. I have read through them and it always goes back to an cadaan that speculates. Stop peddling colonial-based lies. Bring proof to a debate. I have heavy research on my side, you peddle crafted narratives that are utterly baseless.

 

[marcellady]

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You can’t just evict people from the lands that they’ve lived on for centuries.

 

[Riftvalley]

The ones who speak a Somali language, have Somali genetics but might be mixed with Bantus, are Somalis who mixed with Bantus (and there are vice versa activities among Somali Bantus). It's as simple as that. Bantus were indeed brought in by slavery. Somalis were already in the south 2000 years ago. Bantus had barely expanded to south of Kenya by that point.

We do not have hunter-gatherers unless you go to the tropics on the margins of Kenya in the Lamu region, and we have their genetics, which is a mix of Somalis, hunter-gatherers, and Bantu. Bantus came to the region later by force due to slave trade.

Hunter-gatherers had existed in the region many thousands of years ago, according to archaeology. This is not a mystery, we have research on it showing various lithic industries and occupational sites that go from the Paleolithic to the Holocene. But these people left the region due to the drying period. The people in southern Somalia today are merely Somalis (this includes Somalis of separate languages and dialects), Bantus (who were brought through slavery), and coastal mixed groups (who came through trade).

Southern Somalis don't have enriched hunter-gatherer ancestry because there was no such thing there at the time. Whenever you see Cushitic move toward a place with foragers, they somewhat mix with them. The fact that we've seen the genetics of the clans in the south but don't see an increasing frequency of a unique signal reinforced the archeological and lithic assessment, that the foragers were gone by the time Somalis moved in, and it would be impossible for these Makane and Shiidle to be descendants of them. Otherwise we'll see a radiance of increasing frequency in the south among the interrelated groups dispersing through geographic distance, as one sees in demographic population genetics, dealing with spatial dimensions.

The endemic hunter-gatherer ancestry is distinct in genetic expression (we know what it looks like because HGs existed in a certain cline, which has been established through research), and those people look phenotypically distinct from Bantus. The Somalis in the south simply look like Somali-Bantu hybrids when it comes to these so-called "indigenous."

All these false notions stem from stories conjured up by colonists trying to spin their little stories by claiming certain people were indigenous without any evidence, but that is nonsense. There is no proof, and so far, the evidence we know about speaks to the contrary.

What about Boni, what do you think their origin is? I remember reading a while ago something by a Somali research about hunter gatherers being more and common around the Badoia area and then scattering after Somali clans became dominate in the area. Or maybe they weren’t fully blown Hunter gatherers, and more similar to groups up north (Gabooye etc)?basically, Somalis whose lifestyles were looked down upon and later mixed with Bantu slaves.

 

[Espaa_]

You can’t just evict people from the lands that they’ve lived on for centuries.

Exactly my point except i went a but too extreme hence the 10 downvotes I got. Then talking about population numbers and saying they should br a minority forever. Man wtf is this

 

[Devilsadvocate]

i will defend a patriotic somali bantu before ill ever defend a isaaq you secessionist mf

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[The alchemist]

What about Boni, what do you think their origin is? I remember reading a while ago something by a Somali research about hunter gatherers being more and common around the Badoia area and then scattering after Somali clans became dominate in the area. Or maybe they weren’t fully blown Hunter gatherers, and more similar to groups up north (Gabooye etc)?

That is who I was talking about earlier. The Boni/Aweer are indeed hunter-gatherers with a Somali mixture, and they also have Bantu. But they live more so south of what we're talking about, as they live historically in the lacustrine Lamu region. I have checked their haplogroups, maternally and paternally, and those people have a heavy HG element to them.

And these people, unlike the Bantus in southern Somalia, have subsistence that goes back to their ancient ways. Their anthropology reflects their endemic characteristics. But they mixed with Kenyan-based Somalis that settled in the northern Kenya region, not a mixture that occurred among the people of southern Somalia.

I should post their results since it is fascinating.

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

You can’t just evict people from the lands that they’ve lived on for centuries.

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[bobby_hill-Punt]

i will defend a patriotic somali bantu before ill ever defend a isaaq you secessionist mf

You shouldn't talk about qabil stuff that's going too far

 

[Sigmundd]

Idgaf imagine saying shit about somali bantus when they live on my tribal territory and not hers. Shes saying transport them and ship them to other places and talking about them foreever being a minority WTF is that?

you disgusting liar WHERE did I say they need to be deported? I only said those who hold ill views towards somalis should leave. That doesn't equate to all bantus being deported you retard

 

[Espaa_]

you disgusting liar WHERE did I say they need to be deported? I only said those who hold ill views towards somalis should leave. That doesn't equate to all bantus being deported you retard

And i repeated how many bloodclart times. Where should they be deported to? They are SO MA LI!

 

[Sigmundd]

And i repeated how many bloodclart times. Where should they be deported to? They are SO MA LI!

your defo 14 at max

 

[Unicorn]

i will defend a patriotic somali bantu before ill ever defend a isaaq you secessionist mf

@Espaa_ @Sigmundd time out. lets chill everyone. It shouldnt be this deep.

 

[livinlavish]

Exactly my point except i went a but too extreme hence the 10 downvotes I got. Then talking about population numbers and saying they should br a minority forever. Man wtf is this

They should be a minority forever this is my ancestral land my ancestors fought hard against invaders and colonisers for this land why should people who came a couple centuries ago be a majority in my land? Do you think any Bantu majority country like congo would let somalis be the majority? Like I said I have nothing against these minorities but they will never be the majority this is the only country in which somalis are the majority in the cadcads could go back to multiple countries in asia and middle east whilst the bantus have a lot of African countries to choose from but this is our only home

 

[Espaa_]

your defo 14 at max

A 14 year old would deffo be you. You dont even have the common decency to refute what I am saying. Ill repeat again.

Even with those ideologies where do you want to deport them to? Outside of Somalia?

 

[Unicorn]

A 14 year old would deffo be you. You dont even have the common decency to refute what I am saying. Ill repeat again.

Even with those ideologies where do you want to deport them to? Outside of Somalia?

Dont let this get to u walal. Ive met plenty of bantus in real life and theyre chill. You are going back and forth with people who dont live next to them. Southern somalis are chill with them and thts all tht matters.

 

[livinlavish]

Idgaf imagine saying shit about somali bantus when they live on my tribal territory and not hers. Shes saying transport them and ship them to other places and talking about them foreever being a minority WTF is that?

Why you bringing up tribal territories here? And no we shouldn't forcefully evict them but these ppl are always saying we get discriminated against or they don't feel "Somali" enough. If that's the case then they are free to go back to their ancestral land no one is stopping them

 

[EainA2]

I will defend a patriotic somali bantu before ill ever defend a isaaq you secessionist mf

Wild comment.

Also a patriotic Bantu wouldn't speak like that girl

And why did isaaqs catch a stray