What is this Bantu woman saying, and is she valid?

[Sigmundd]

Icl i didnt wanna say this but stick to SL politics and other regions where its strictly “ethnic” somali. We in the south are happy with them regardless of ideology. Dont bring that here. We accept them whether they are majority or minority. We should increase intermarriage with them in fact and break these stereotypes.

insha Allah I see a government made up of diverse individuals from all backgrounds and I see the racist 4.5 system dismantled.

Allah said in the Quran. We have created you into different colours and tribes so that you may get to know one another

I won't stick to somaliland politics I'm Somali and have every right to speak of all Somalia. Everything I said is facts. In no way did I say they can't inter marry with other clans, but if i was the leader I would increase indigenous somali population so no one can outnumber us. I don't give a flying monkeys if people disagree with me Your saying things that I didn't say. In no way am I discriminating bantus just because I said I want ethnic somali population to be the majority.

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

I know only a minority thinks this way that's why I said some. Most are miskeen and don't Hold those belief but we should check them just incase they try to brainwash the rest. And only those thst hold those dangerous views shouldn't remain in Somalia in No way did I say bantu Somalis should leave since like you said is there home.

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[Sigmundd]

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It would be impossible to repriate them as Somalia would be viewed as a racist country globally and we will get sanctioned, etc. Only few that left the country hold those ill views. What the government needs to do is increase every city in the south and make sure ethnic somalis are 95 percent and more so there won't be any threat to our existance. also ban social media in Somalia so no oje can get influenced outside the country. We should also reprogramme the entire population educating everyone that indigenous somalis are the owners and that the bantus came in as slaves.

 

[novanova]

Icl i didnt wanna say this but stick to SL politics and other regions where its strictly “ethnic” somali. We in the south are happy with them regardless of ideology. Dont bring that here. We accept them whether they are majority or minority. We should increase intermarriage with them in fact and break these stereotypes.

insha Allah I see a government made up of diverse individuals from all backgrounds and I see the racist 4.5 system dismantled.

Allah said in the Quran. We have created you into different colours and tribes so that you may get to know one another

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But those bantus arent the somali bantus. They are people who dont know ish about somalia.

 

[The alchemist]

Makane and shiidle arent bantu at all.

The ones who speak a Somali language, have Somali genetics but might be mixed with Bantus, are Somalis who mixed with Bantus (and there are vice versa activities among Somali Bantus). It's as simple as that. Bantus were indeed brought in by slavery. Somalis were already in the south 2000 years ago. Bantus had barely expanded to south of Kenya by that point.

We do not have hunter-gatherers unless you go to the tropics on the margins of Kenya in the Lamu region, and we have their genetics, which is a mix of Somalis, hunter-gatherers, and Bantu. Bantus came to the region later by force due to slave trade.

Hunter-gatherers had existed in the region many thousands of years ago, according to archaeology. This is not a mystery, we have research on it showing various lithic industries and occupational sites that go from the Paleolithic to the Holocene. But these people left the region due to the drying period. The people in southern Somalia today are merely Somalis (this includes Somalis of separate languages and dialects), Bantus (who were brought through slavery), and coastal mixed groups (who came through trade).

Southern Somalis don't have enriched hunter-gatherer ancestry because there was no such thing there at the time. Whenever you see Cushitic move toward a place with foragers, they somewhat mix with them. The fact that we've seen the genetics of the clans in the south but don't see an increasing frequency of a unique signal reinforced the archeological and lithic assessment, that the foragers were gone by the time Somalis moved in, and it would be impossible for these Makane and Shiidle to be descendants of them. Otherwise we'll see a radiance of increasing frequency in the south among the interrelated groups dispersing through geographic distance, as one sees in demographic population genetics, dealing with spatial dimensions.

The endemic hunter-gatherer ancestry is distinct in genetic expression (we know what it looks like because HGs existed in a certain cline, which has been established through research), and those people look phenotypically distinct from Bantus. The Somalis in the south simply look like Somali-Bantu hybrids when it comes to these so-called "indigenous."

All these false notions stem from stories conjured up by colonists trying to spin their little stories by claiming certain people were indigenous without any evidence, but that is nonsense. There is no proof, and so far, the evidence we know about speaks to the contrary.

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

But those bantus arent the somali bantus. They are people who dont know ish about somalia.

But still we should stay ahead of the games and teach our history more

 

[Espaa_]

The ones who speak a Somali language, have Somali genetics but might be mixed with Bantus, are Somalis who mixed with Bantus (and there are vice versa activities among Somali Bantus). It's as simple as that. Bantus were indeed brought in by slavery. Somalis were already in the south 2000 years ago. Bantus had barely expanded to south of Kenya by that point.

We do not have hunter-gatherers unless you go to the tropics on the margins of Kenya in the Lamu region, and we have their genetics, which is a mix of Somalis, hunter-gatherers, and Bantu. Bantus came to the region later by force due to slave trade.

Hunter-gatherers had existed in the region many thousands of years ago, according to archaeology. This is not a mystery, we have research on it showing various lithic industries and occupational sites that go from the Paleolithic to the Holocene. But these people left the region due to the drying period. The people in southern Somalia today are merely Somalis (this includes Somalis of separate languages and dialects), Bantus (who were brought through slavery), and coastal mixed groups (who came through trade).

Southern Somalis don't have enriched hunter-gatherer ancestry because there was no such thing there at the time. Whenever you see Cushitic move toward a place with foragers, they somewhat mix with them. The fact that we've seen the genetics of the clans in the south but don't see an increasing frequency of a unique signal reinforced the archeological and lithic assessment, that the foragers were gone by the time Somalis moved in, and it would be impossible for these Makane and Shiidle to be descendants of them. Otherwise we'll see a radiance of increasing frequency in the south among the interrelated groups dispersing through geographic distance, as one sees in demographic population genetics, dealing with spatial dimensions.

The endemic hunter-gatherer ancestry is distinct in genetic expression (we know what it looks like because HGs existed in a certain cline, which has been established through research), and those people look phenotypically distinct from Bantus. The Somalis in the south simply look like Somali-Bantu hybrids when it comes to these so-called "indigenous."

All these false notions stem from stories conjured up by colonists trying to spin their little stories by claiming certain people were indigenous without any evidence, but that is nonsense. There is no proof, and so far, the evidence we know about speaks to the contrary.

As I said we dont have the full picture. I do not disagree with you I already stated the vast majority do come from arab $Iavery. However a minority might very well be native. As you said there is no proof and not many of them take dna tests

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

As I said we dont have the full picture. I do not disagree with you I already stated the vast majority do come from arab $Iavery. However a minority might very well be native. As you said there is no proof and not many of them take dna tests

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[Espaa_]

Your saying things that I didn't say. In no way am I discriminating bantus just because I said I want ethnic somali population to be the majority.

Your saying things which come from a place of prejudice and discrimination.

it is worrying how some have the belief that they're indigenous to Somalia. every city in Somalia particularly the south should make the ethnic somali population more than 95 percent so we don't have to worry about these rhetoric since they're always will be a minority. That would be my proposal. The audacity of some of them to really spread misinformation, people just using our name to spread hate and we are an easy target. If these bantus hate us why wont they leave Somalia. They shouldn't even be there if they hate us.

If a hawiye, reewin or darood southerner hated somalia, would you tell them to leave?

I know only a minority thinks this way that's why I said some. Most are miskeen and don't Hold those belief but we should check them just incase they try to brainwash the rest. And only those thst hold those dangerous views shouldn't remain in Somalia in No way did I say bantu Somalis should leave since like you said is there home.

Cant we re educate them? Where would they go? This is just plainly weird. They have ties to Somalia regardless of ideology.

Than they need a reprogramming scheme. Because I refuse these type of ideology should be expanded. We also need to increase the ethnic Somali population so they will forever be a minority.

They are Somali. Always has been, always will be. This is just extremely embarassing on your behalf.

For the rest of you downvoting me, have some shame. They are our brothers and sisters in both nationality and religion. Many Somalis hold fucked up views about other clans. This is no different and should be treated the same as a somali which displays qabyaalad.

 

[marcellady]

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[Sigmundd]

Your saying things which come from a place of prejudice and discrimination.

If a hawiye, reewin or darood southerner hated somalia, would you tell them to leave?

Cant we re educate them? Where would they go? This is just plainly weird. They have ties to Somalia regardless of ideology.

They are Somali. Always has been, always will be. This is just extremely embarassing on your behalf.

How is me wanting ETHNIC Somalis to be the majority in Somalia me being racist. Are you actually that stupid?

 

[Espaa_]

How is me wanting ETHNIC Somalis to be the majority in Somalia me being racist. Are you actually that stupid?

You sound like an cadaan person who screams replacement theory. As i said clearly stick to SL and its demographics

 

[Sigmundd]

You sound like an cadaan person who screams replacement theory. As i said clearly stick to SL and its demographics

Shut up.

 

[The alchemist]

As I said we dont have the full picture. I do not disagree with you I already stated the vast majority do come from arab $Iavery. However a minority might very well be native.

You can't just claim they "might very well be" without substantiating with proof. Furthermore, we do have the broad picture. All the languages down there are either Somali or Bantu, no endemic ones related to hunter-gatherers; no distinct substratum (this would exist if we merely absorbed language-shifted groups). The genetics is what I described as well, Somali, Bantu, coastal Asiatics -- that is it.

You need to show evidence that goes contrary to this, and you will never meet those burdens because they do not exist, since you would have seen evidence through genetics by now, as people in the south are not isolated, especially when they are in a clan confederacy. People of mixed Bantu and Somali roots are not hunter-gatherer endemics, and farming was first practiced by the agro-pastoralist Somalis in the region. Bantus never expanded that far north since Cushitic pastoralists of Somali and other Cushitic existed as a buffer and the land between is too arid or too tropical (in some ecosystems that hunter-gatherers in Kenya lived in) for intensive farming.

Hunter-gatherers left the region at least 2000 years before Somalis arrived in Southern Somalia, and we have evidence in the archeological record that Somalis did come and represent the newer layer after those people, introducing domesticates and pottery. The land was literally empty before the Cushites came to the land for millennia.

 

[Sigmundd]

??

Don't reason with her. She will accuse you of being a racist just because you want ethnic somalis to be the majority. You jusy have to laugh

 

[livinlavish]

Icl i didnt wanna say this but stick to SL politics and other regions where its strictly “ethnic” somali. We in the south are happy with them regardless of ideology. Dont bring that here. We accept them whether they are majority or minority. We should increase intermarriage with them in fact and break these stereotypes.

insha Allah I see a government made up of diverse individuals from all somali backgrounds and dialects and I see the racist 4.5 system dismantled.

Allah said in the Quran. We have created you into different colours and tribes so that you may get to know one another

Walaal with all due respect you do not speak for the average Southerner. I don't mind other ethnicities such as the bantus or cadcads living with us but saying we would accept them even if they become a majority is outrageous. And you also said intermarriage should be common with them to break these stereotypes but can we not just include them into society without having to intermarry with them in en-masses. Why can't we just accept these minorities for who they are without intermarrying? Also I'm not against intermarriages but saying we should make it common is crazy ngl

 

[Sigmundd]

i will defend a patriotic somali bantu before ill ever defend a isaaq you secessionist mf

Your actually trolling loooool

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

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[The alchemist]

Talk about anti-discrimination, but don't lie about the history of the Somali peninsula to appease minorities. That does not honor them.