What existed before the Big Bang ...?

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  1. Shushue

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    If existence and time itself began with the Big Bang what could’ve existed before?

    Is the question even valid because we’re asking “before” times existence?

    Where do the laws of physics come from?

    Tell your views
     
  2. Abdipapaya

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    Allah created time so shat do you think brother
     
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  3. Shushue

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    What is time? You know what it is?

    There is spacetime not time alone.
     
  4. Abdipapaya

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    Even though Allah created that too so it doesnt matter
     
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    it's a tough question brother that's all I will say, I'll think about it but it's not easy to think in such realms. The laws of physics are measurable one way or another, there was always a number in some way or another, be it the effects like gravity has on us and other objects or the cosmos and it's elements like various different gases even the it's various physical objects like stars, planets, etc which can also be measured. You can map planets around the sun they orbit, you can start grouping them into neighbourhoods on some measurement even like galaxies.

    The big questions are Time, Space, Gravity the serious laws of science, the laws once removed impacts on everything within the universe like in one swoop. You take away one star, or planet it isn't a huge impact like those laws.
     
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    But what is nothingness? is empty space nothing? that is something to me, can we even imagine what nothingness looks like? can u describe it for me? is the removal of all things we know space, time, gravity, planets, stars, elements? what in the world would that look like? does nothingness even exist? cause if you take away everything we know as existence that will change into something else. Mind boggling truly.
     
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    Are you having doubts? If so i would not blame you , you live in norway afterall hehehehe
     
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    Deez nuts. Or maybe even the fabled hadiths :russ:
     
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    Are we brainwasjed by white comedians sheeko nakadaaf

    :bell::birdman::damedamn::damn::damnmusic::mindblown::leon::lawd:
     
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    Nothingness is the antithesis of existence. That’s the whole point, nothingness isn’t the absence of concepts that exist; existence’s starting point is nothingness, not vice versa.
    You’re thinking of it as a bipolar plane whereby things can regress from being to not being. That doesn’t make sense to me.
     
  13. Abdipapaya

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    Wallahi this is a easy religion you just make it hard for yourself if you dont stop you
    What about people who deny the Hadiths?

    Mu' meneen Brothers and Sisters,

    As Salaam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. (May Allah's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)





    One of our brothers/sisters has asked this question:

    the internet has its positive sides as well as its negative sites. Its sad when people claiming to be muslims create webpages that show their perspective about Islam, which eventually deviates people of weaker faith or knowledge. Brother, what would you tell a person who does not believe in hadith, or rather how would you tell a person who doesnt believe in hadith that they are mistaken. Awaiting

    regards

    (There may be some grammatical and spelling errors in the above statement. The forum does not change anything from questions, comments and statements received from our readers for circulation in confidentiality.)



    What about people who deny the Hadiths?

    In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and who-ever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.



    Your Statement: the internet has its positive sides as well as its negative sites. Its sad when people claiming to be muslims create webpages that show their perspective about Islam, which eventually deviates people of weaker faith or knowledge.

    We absolutely agree with you that the internet has its positive and negative sites, and it is indeed unfortunate when people start propagating their sects and their visions in presence to the guidance of the Holy Quran. That is why a believer should always try to gain sufficient knowledge from the Book of Guidance: The Al Quran.



    Then whatever anyone says or propagates must be referred to the guidance of the Holy Quran. If the guidance is from the Holy Quran, then accept it. If the guidance is not from the Quran, then obviously it is not the Truth and must be rejected.



    Your Statement: Brother, what would you tell a person who does not believe in hadith, or rather how would you tell a person who doesnt believe in hadith that they are mistaken.

    The hadiths are nothing but the various collections of the scholars over time about the life and traditions of the Prophet (saws). What is important is that a believer, who sincerely believes in Allah and the Last Day, must follow the guidance of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws).



    Thus if someone claims that he does not want to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws), then he is definitely astray. And the people who generally claim that they do not follow any of the hadiths, are in real terms, the people who have denied to obey and follow the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws).



    We must also understand that there a lot of hadiths which might have been written by unscrupulous people over the years for their own political and material gains.Thus if a person, who has knowledge from the Quran and Sunnah, has a doubt on the authenticity of a hadith and is able to provide evidence from the Holy Quran or other established and accepted hadiths to prove his doubt, that is fair.



    And that is why eminent scholars and collectors of hadith have done extensive research during their times to check the authenticity of the various hadiths. Among the most respected collectors were Bukhari and Muslim, who collected in excess of 300,000 hadiths each, but only about 7,000 of these hadiths met their austere criteria of authenticity, which were named in their collections as Sahih or authentic.



    Thus there is a clear difference between the ones who refuse to accept Prophet Mohamed (saws) as their guide and thus deny the whole Sunnah of the Messenger (saws); and the ones who doubt the authenticity of a particular hadith, which according to their knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah, may be weak or fabricated.



    Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allahs Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.



    Your brother and well wisher in Islam,





    Burhan
     
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    Depending on who you are your answers would vary , an observer should note that these are all hypothesises not theoretical observations based on empirical truth. Many scientists go on to the realm of philosophy when they try to answer the cause of the big bang.

    I will delve into the "cause" as the cause of such a situation is inextricably linked to what happened before the situation. It shouldn't come to a surprise that the Big bang itself was theorized by Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, RAS Associate who was a Belgian Catholic priest. Said theory was further refined and supported through Edwin Hubbles discovery of the expansion of our universe. Microwave radiation , advancements in telescopy along with other milestones gave further backings to the theory.

    It should then be no surprise that Lemaitre believed God created the universe .The Big bang, in his view, was simply the manifestation of Gods will. God has always existed in Abrahmic religions and thus he was the cause for the Big bang , thence creation .Therefore many theologians believe that before the "event" along with after it God existed. There is intra-religious arguments especially based on the idea of time not existing. Time is was formulated by God and hence the question what existed before the Big Bang is a nonsensical question as time didn't exist.

    Scientists have hundreds of competing theories on the cause of the big bang ranging from the event happening due to there being no time to a multiverse theory of bubbles and back to an infinity cycle(big crunch) .Most have no theoretical backing and hence all claims are not scientific although the theorisers may themselves be physicists etc . Instead they go onto the realm of philosophy which has theology as a component within it. A common claim within the scientific community is "it just occurred" the argument surprisingly goes along the same line as the intra-theological debates main contender. Notedly both parties believe that since time came to existence after the big bang, the latter however claim all events that can occur occur.They don't occur simultaneously or have a time difference as such claims counter the preposition that time doesn't exist. Its a quizzical notion but at the same time is possible.

    To recap the answer to your question is no one knows, for now. However the questions which lead to the answer hold many answers themselves.
     
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    Which 00 site did you get that from?
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    The only reason God is allowing the spreading of these hadith.

    [Quran 6:112-113] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS , in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.

    [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

    We don't need the hadiths when we have the quran, to claim otherwise is to go against the words of god.

    [18:109] Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply."

    [31:27] If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink, augmented by seven more oceans, the words of God would not run out. God is Almighty, Most Wise.

    Hadiths should not be followed, especially when they contradict the quran like most do, follow the words of God, not the words of men.

    [6:114] Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

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    Why ?
     
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    gravity is fake
    big bang is a scam
    NASA is a hoax
    God created Adam and Eve

    Wake up, research what youve been taught, explosions only destroy, so how was this one create? Use your god given Brain
     
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    Religiously speaking, I don't think any religion is wrong to say a religion is wrong is to say god doesn't encompass all knowledge right and wrong, good or bad, etc. There would be a gap in his knowledge basically as something exists without him authorising it or without him knowing it.

    So this idea of abrahamic god deep down in my belief-set it's a long line of added understandings of god from the beginning of mankind. The first man probably stepped out into the world and looked at a tree and since it was his first time seeing such a thing, probably said this is my god and created a cult around it, is he wrong? I don't think so, he was within his time period and his brain capacity. Can you say a year 1 student is wrong because of their understanding of life to you maybe as your older and wiser but seriously to them can you say that? That's how I see it and my guess is God will possibly see it like that too as he is far wiser and smarter then us.

    I mean you find this progressive and evolving idea still prevalent in animist religions especially in Africa and native tribes of the new world, where they say the sun, air, moon, the earth are all spirits of god and they have a very strict attachment to the environment as a result as they were some of the earliest culture in the world so their understanding would be revolved around things of nature as there was not much civilization or throught exchange(explorers) yet to occur. Their to busy chasing their food to really sit down and worry about progressing that's not to say they didn't progress relative to their hunting requirements. Through the eyes of relativity you see the world different.

    Our understanding of god probably developed further when civilization entered the picture as mankind grew and they started to enter the age of idol worship or creating things for god and as time went on superstitious were added to those idols. I mean honestly think about it, your a civilization and you have covered your food source and water source just like we have today, what are people going to do?just sit there and stare at each other? they will begin the journey of progress either in relation to our physical world or our understandings of the spiritual world hence why we see such complex ideas being formed about who god is in civilizations as compared to primitive folks, I highly suspect primitive folks and their god priorities were linked to the environment as their hunting for food and I can understand why their brain-capacity would say hey I need a god regarding the situation I am in, hunting for food and varieties of practises would develop in relation to hunting and the environment and various aspects of nature as we see in their belief-set.

    I am very keen to study them further as we are bombarded with civilization story of god.

    We know about this idol worshipping generation from the pagan arabs and ancient egypt and even still prevalent today in India through hinduism.

    But there seems to be a big shift that occured also in the far-east from the Hindu idealogy when Buddha came along who was basically a Hindu who was fed up with the rituals and idealogy and started his journey of enlightment and he came to the conclusion basically it's not about god, life is about the individual as we are basically the ones here and in this miserable life of suffering and the suffering really meant 'never being truly satisfied in life' you know the feeling where it only lasts for a while and you need to keep refuelling that joy hit over and over again. So his faith centred around the student not the teacher(god) as he taught you need to progressively better yourself rather then running to god.

    There also seems to a big shift in middle east from the idol worshipping that was prevalent at the time due to the civilizations that existed in that area like sumeria, mesoptamia, persia.

    People shifted from seeing god in idols or using idols as a way to get closer to him to the radical one god that is unseen that we see today and as you can see this even evolved later on with different variations of it in christianity, islam, judaism.

    So I honestly don't see any of it as wrong and I don't think God does either, he knew what their intention was to get closer to him and that was their capacity mentally at the time. No qualms here at all for me, it really sits well with me because everything is relative in life not static.

    How you treat a year 1 student is not the same as a year 5 student and both can be measured and tested relative to their effort in each class and it's possible a year 1 student has exerted much more effort and better result within their class then say a year 5 student who knows far more but comes back down with a lower grade in his class. So how you judge each person in mankind history is relative and static as religions teach nowadays a much more static approach rather then Einsteins relative approach which makes much more sense.
     
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    Ciiyalkina markey deeragtu iyo barwaqada idinka badaatay ayaad bilabten philosophy iyo wax lamiid ah .. Waan uuhsonahay inad dhalinyaro tihin oo aad waxyaalo baadan is weydisan lakinse diinta wa wax fuudud wax adaag haa kaa dhiigna. Inta muslimska ah Nah wa salama aleykum!.
     
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