What does the west gain out of destabilizing Somalia?

[MR.𐒈𐒝𐒑𐒛𐒐𐒘]

I lived in Xamar when the Islamic Courts Union controlled Somalia. The ICU was the first institution in 15 years to bring an unprecedented period of peace, law, order, security, and stability throughout most of south-central Somalia. No other government or institution in Somalia was capable of achieving that.

But who helped destroy the ICU? Somalis themselves. Abdullahi Yusuf invited Ethiopia to invade Somalia in 2006 and dislodge the ICU from power. That gave rise to Al Shabaab and destroyed the peace we had achieved for six months.

Wrong again, America told Ethiopia in 06 to invade Somalia

 

[repo]

I'd understand if we were like the DRC and had an insane amount of resources but Somalia is just a small mostly desert country.

Literally nothing. It's a cope.

 

[Sup]

Soomaaliya is sitting on 110 billion barrels of oil worth trillions along with gas aswell.

Not to mention, one of the world’s largest supply of Uranium. As well as Gold, copper, 5th largest location of fish ( there’s approx 1500 different type of tuna), diamonds etc I’m sure there’s more.

 

[Aseer]

I'd understand if we were like the DRC and had an insane amount of resources but Somalia is just a small mostly desert country.

We have large resource deposits like oil and gas and around 25% of the worlds entire uranium reserve if we extracted and exported those we would be too rich and try to pull a gadaffi by making a gold backed currency and putting the US dollar out of business and the westerners know this thats why they hellbent on keeping us down and having stupid leaders also that is merely a fraction of the capabilities we have i can have a list that goes on and on how prosperous we will be that will make the west not want that and want to keep the status quo they already let countries like china slip away from their grasp and develop while they are distracted and they definitely dont want that again.

 

[Aseer]

Really? Have their been efforts to extract it?

never because each leader is a incompotent bum but word on the street is hassan sheikh is looking/plotting to sell the resource rights for these reserves to line his pockets the bastard.

 

[Aseer]

Stop scapegoating and placing blame on others. There is no one to blame for destabilizing Somalia except for the Somalis themselves. The West or Europe, quite frankly, don't have any substantial interests in a failed state. Somalia isn't vital to the economic or security interests of the West. We lack accountability for the mess we have created in Somalia.

i'd say its semi our fault and other powers in play fault like USA, Kenya , Ethiopia and majority of the West.

 

[Burqad]

It’s mostly that a stable Somalia would immediately invade Ethiopia and Kenya which are both American puppets states. Same reason why Pakistan tried to keep Afghanistan at civil war.

 

[NidarNidar]

Generally many reasons.
1-Oil control- we have a huge amount of oil, 6th largest reserves in the world and virtually no oil consumption. We threaten Saudis oil monopoly and we can virtually destroy global prices at our whim even though it wouldn’t be in our interest to we certainly could which threatens the petrodollar and us hegemony over the world. What would happen if we signed a deal with China called the Petroyuan?Oil companies profited almost 40 billion this year alone even though the had the capacity to produce more they didn’t to keep prices high, so we have the ability to threaten the oil market if we’re stable.

2) MENA- US foreign policy. The illusion of the US wanting democracy’s is a facade. They killed irans democracy, algerias democracy. But why is a democracy in Muslim majority nations dangerous? And why isn’t there a strong Islamic democratic nation, especially considering many inhabit resource rich lands? It’s because a Muslim majority nation would not idly stand by and watch the mistreatment of their brothers in other nations. Which is why we have these shitty weak dictatorships now in Saudi and Jordan because a democratic one would most certainly want an oil embargo on these nations or even blocking of the Red Sea to put pressure on Israel.
I mean joe Biden said it himself if there wasn’t an Israel the US would have to create one to protect her interests in the reigion. Why is that? It’s because Islam is contrary to the current world system. Obliging by an international law based on whose values?
Following an international court with whose divine decree?
Having secular nationalism instead of a United Muslim empire. All these things threaten US hegemony and the current system made for them to flout and us to obey.
3) competition- “The best competition is no competition” We occupy an important geographic location which could’ve been our ace but has become a burden since we are weak. Almost all trade coming from Asia to Europe and vice Versa comes through our territorial waters and had we united with Djibouti we have the legal right to tax every single one of them since it falls under of eez. Similar to turkey taxing all boats that pass through the dardanell, and who’s interested in paying tariffs on their cargo? No one, absolutely no one.
thus there’s more incentive for nations to keep us destabilised as we have the capacity to become an economic and military powerhouse in the religion arguably even more than Saudi and that threatens US hegemony, who wants subservient dictators that follow their orders not democratic nations that make their own decisions based on their values and interests as that differs from the US especially as we are a Muslim majority nation were also a potential enemy of Israel which is even more reason to keep us destabilised and neutered so we have no capacity to project our power
I mean just look at turkey, erdogan doesn’t follow the US’s every whim and desire and he’s labelled authoritarian in their media. The US supports greeces maritime claims supports the PKK which turkey has been fighting for so long, tried to sell them us patriots defends system hella overpriced even though there a nato member so they bought from Russia got kicked off the F35 program and got sanctioned. They can’t even get eurofighter typhoons. Had they just been subservient to the US all of this would’ve been avoided but this is what happens when a country prioritises its own interests over the US’s

We had a chance to prove ourselves to be loyal dogs to Uncle Sam, we bite him and his cronies but Ethiopia has always been a faithful servant to the West, The same goes for Kenya, right now we're in the process of wagging our tails for Masta, we have been broken and separated as a people, and now we're being sold to the highest bidder.

 

[Pastoralist]

Stop scapegoating and placing blame on others. There is no one to blame for destabilizing Somalia except for the Somalis themselves. The West or Europe, quite frankly, don't have any substantial interests in a failed state. Somalia isn't vital to the economic or security interests of the West. We lack accountability for the mess we have created in Somalia.

What a dumbass

 

[Almis]

Nothing its all in Somalis head. After the Habashi boogeyman Somalis thought of another excuse for their failure and lack of stability and again had to blame someone else beside themselves so they came up with the " The whole world is working against us because we have so much resources".

 

[soomal__.nur1]

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[TheManWhoIsAlive]

I'd understand if we were like the DRC and had an insane amount of resources but Somalia is just a small mostly desert country.

Uranium
Oil & Gas
Strategic ports for trade
Frankincense and Myrrh farms
Arable land in the south

 

[Yahya]

I'd understand if we were like the DRC and had an insane amount of resources but Somalia is just a small mostly desert country.

Red sea trade control! it's a simple as that. Also there is a satanic agenda to destroy Muslim countries I've noticed and Somalia is no exception to that rule.

 

[Celery]

They’re not trying to destabilize it. If anything they want a stable, friendly government running that part of the world. HSM and co are trying to fill that role now.

 

[Yahya]

If you want to make a difference then call on Allah and his messenger in the masjid during Fajr prayer for it is heard by the almighty and request change in our leadership whilst praying for the destruction of our enemies.

I pray one day all 10-15 million somalis pray tahjjud and repent for fighting tribe against tribe and shedding Muslim blood. Maybe then Allah will forgive us if we repent as a nation. How long has it been since a Muslim nation did something like mass repentance?

Far too long imo. Pray for the above in every Fajr prayer and make Istikhaara prayers so Allah can remove that which is bad for us and replace it with something good. Please spread this message my Muslim brothers and sisters so we all gain deeds.

 

[Serene Sharif]

If you want to make a difference then call on Allah and his messenger in the masjid during Fajr prayer for it is heard by the almighty and request change in our leadership whilst praying for the destruction of our enemies.

I pray one day all 10-15 million somalis pray tahjjud and repent for fighting tribe against tribe and shedding Muslim blood. Maybe then Allah will forgive us if we repent as a nation. How long has it been since a Muslim nation did something like mass repentance?

Far too long imo. Pray for the above in every Fajr prayer and make Istikhaara prayers so Allah can remove that which is bad for us and replace it with something good. Please spread this message my Muslim brothers and sisters so we all gain deeds.

“Allah will not change the condition of a people unless they change their inner selves.” I agree 100%

 

[Celery]

Hundreds of millions of righteous Muslims pray around the world every minute of everyday. Either their prayers are denied or praying just doesn’t work. Come up with a constructive solution.

 

[Yahya]

Hundreds of millions of righteous Muslims pray around the world every minute of everyday. Either their prayers are denied or praying just doesn’t work. Come up with a constructive solution.

Praying without taking action will not work.

I refer you to the nation of Nabi Yunus when they repented as a nation before the calamity struck. Did Allah not aid them after such a noble action? Yes or No. Have we somalis or any other muslim nation tried dedicating an entire day to repentence as a nation al together?

Why have national holidays when we lost people can pray to Allah for forgiveness? how hypocritical and ungrateful are we! Not one day set aside for mass repentance. I do take your point on board and refute it however.

The people of Nineveh, at first, opposed Jonahas and rejected his call. However, after facing the threat of Divine punishment, they repented and were ultimately saved. The Holy Quran also makes mention of this in Surah Yunus (10:99).

Refer to the above mentioned please.

 

[Celery]

Praying without taking action will not work.

I refer you to the nation of Nabi Yunus when they repented as a nation before the calamity struck. Did Allah not aid them after such a noble action? Yes or No. Have we somalis or any other muslim nation tried dedicating an entire day to repentence as a nation al together?

Why have national holidays when we lost people can pray to Allah for forgiveness? how hypocritical and ungrateful are we! Not one day set aside for mass repentance. I do take your point on board and refute it however.

The people of Nineveh, at first, opposed Jonahas and rejected his call. However, after facing the threat of Divine punishment, they repented and were ultimately saved. The Holy Quran also makes mention of this in Surah Yunus (10:99).

Refer to the above mentioned please.

A better approach is being civilized, following laws and not constantly griping about which government did what and how you’re aggrieved by everything.

The correct solution is the Nayib Bukele approach. Look him up. In his country there was mass disorder and violence so he hired and armed 100,000 paramilitary to arrest tens of thousands of dissenters and gang members. El Salvador went from the most dangerous and violent to the most peaceful.

Contrary to popular belief, people in civilized countries aren’t just better people. They fear credible state violence if they act out of line. Somalis don’t because they have their clan to run to. This needs to be killed off. They need to understand the government is the biggest, baddest and most heavily armed gang.

 

[Yahya]

A better approach is being civilized, following laws and not constantly griping about which government did what and how you’re aggrieved by everything.

The correct solution is the Nayib Bukele approach. Look him up. In his country there was mass disorder and violence so he hired and armed 100,000 paramilitary to arrest tens of thousands of dissenters and gang members. El Salvador went from the most dangerous and violent to the most peaceful.

Both procedures can be implemented. But without religious morality we are lost.