Sufis might be conspiring to turn Somalia +90% sufi like it used to be. I approve, this is better than Wahabbism and khwarijs.
What do you think about sufis?
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Sufis might be conspiring to turn Somalia +90% sufi like it used to be. I approve, this is better than Wahabbism and khwarijs.
Timo Jareer and proud
2nd Emir of the Akh Right Movement
I'm Sufi and I think of myself nicely.
I never thaught about it, but I think my fam is Sufi, we always organise mawliid.
Does mawliid equal sufi?
Timo Jareer and proud
2nd Emir of the Akh Right Movement
Mawiid is a dance muslims peforme after or right before the month of Ramadan.I never thaught about it, but I think my fam is Sufi, we always organise mawliid.
Does mawliid equal sufi?
Any Muslim group regardless if they are Sufi or not can perform the dance.
And to answer your question, if your family only does that and nothing else Sufi like then they are probably just Safri Sunni Muslims.
Dance?
I mean the celebration of prophet's (SAW) birthday. My local mosque doesnt organise or celebrate it. The imaam and majority of the locals(Paki, Somali and north africans) considers it bidcah.
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Dance?
I mean the celebration of prophet's (SAW) birthday. My local mosque doesnt organise or celebrate it. The imaam and majority of the locals(Paki, Somali and north africans) considers it bidcah.
Youre right, Mawlid is the celebration of the prophet's sws birthday.
Timo Jareer and proud
2nd Emir of the Akh Right Movement
I guees it is only a Sufi thing then.Dance?
I mean the celebration of prophet's (SAW) birthday. My local mosque doesnt organise or celebrate it. The imaam and majority of the locals(Paki, Somali and north africans) considers it bidcah.
Your family is probably Sufi then, welcome to the squad saxiib lol.
Deadly combo, it could get worst only if it was 50% shia and 50% wahhabi. How does your fam cope, or dont you disguss religious matters?
Elaborate, would ya?
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AIOPZ
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Anyways, for the most part I don't have a problem with Sufis. My entire family is Sufi and to be honest they aren't much different from other Shafi'i Sunni Muslims except they occasionally do digri. The primary thing that personally annoys me about Sufis is that they're usually pretty lenient when it comes to cultural innovations.
Oh, and that a significant portion of self-proclaiming "Sufis" (especially some that I've encountered online, have yet to see one in real life) are really just liberals trying to butcher Islam but are doing it under the banner of Sufism.
Oh, and that a significant portion of self-proclaiming "Sufis" (especially some that I've encountered online, have yet to see one in real life) are really just liberals trying to butcher Islam but are doing it under the banner of Sufism.
Im not sufi, Im shafici sunni too, but Im against arab bedouin cultures encroachment into Islam and Somali culture.
AIOPZ
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Could you clarify on what exactly you mean by that? As someone who identifies with the Salafiyyah, I don't believe that they're trying to force Arab culture on non-Arab societies but rather are following the Salafs and discouraging bid'ah within the ummah.
Wahabbism is what I meant. Salafism is of all the school of thaughts the most complete. But the major flaw it has imo is that it puts way too much emphasis into hadiths and the way its supposed to be taken litterally(litteralism). This litteralism reduces flexibility in jurisdiction. Salafism seeks purity and considers many daily practices like saying good morning something to be avoided. Salafism doesnt allow to identify with your nation, nor does it allow non muslim names or non arab dresses.
When you take all of that away from someone what will be left is a person who lost touch with his own culture and traditions. Salafism is culture genocide and aims to make us all the same. If Somalis give into this for few generations, what will be left is someone who has lost his culture and identity, a black muslim is what we will become if Salafism continues spreading among Somalis. Hence I consider it better than Wahabbism that would take away even your language since the prophet only spoke Arabic.
Healthy dose of Sufism and Salafism is the best model. You keep your culture, traditions(that are not against Islam like saying good morning, and moderate your traditional dresses while trying to minimize bid'ah.
Do you think that god wants us all to be same and have only "muslim" (Arab) culture and loose our traditions and identity? @Lolalola?
AIOPZ
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Akhi, how else are we suppose to interpret the Hadiths? If we water down or manipulate the Hadiths to fit whatever culture we're currently in then that's going against the will of Allah (subhanu wa tala). If there were components of the Hadiths intended to be understood by us, the believers, in a non-literal sense then our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would've clarified that. But he didn't. Unless there is strong reason to do so, taking the Sunnah in a non-literal manner is erasing the Sunnah to fit our own worldly desires.
Also, I've never heard of the phrase 'good morning' being haram or even discouraged. Even trying to do further research into that I've come up with nothing. Mind giving me your sources for where you heard that?
Also, the ruling against non-Arab dresses? As long it covers the 'awrah, then it's halal. I've never heard of this obligation that one must only wear Arab clothing.
Arabic is a good language to learn because it's the language the Qu'ran was revealed in and by learning Arabic you're finally understanding the meaning of ayats without the complications of faltering translations - but no, you're not going to be forced to only know and speak Arabic. Lol.
Nationalism and tribalism were discouraged by our Messenger, peace be upon him. A man once asked the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, "O Messenger of Allah, is it tribalism if a man loves his people?’ He said: ‘No, rather tribalism is when a man helps his people to do wrong." Supporting and loving your people is halal but being nationalistic and hating everyone else simply for not being part of said tribe/nation is not. There's a biiig difference between being a patriot and being a nationalist. It's okay to love your people, but remember that your duty to Allah (azza wa jala) should always come first and so the ummah should always come first.
In regards to names, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: "Name yourselves with the names of the Prophets. The names which Allah Almighty loves most are 'Abdullah and 'Abdu'r-Rahman. The most truthful names are Harith and Humam. The ugliest names are Harb and Murra."
It's very apparent from this Hadith that it's Sunnah to give your child a name like "Abdelfattah" and "Salih." It's discouraged to give your children blatantly unpleasant names like Harb (which means war in Arabic). While it's preferable to give your child a name derived from the Qu'ran, you don't have to. There's nothing un-Islamic about giving your daughter a name like Ubax.
Much of the things you've told me that the Salafiyyah allegedly practice aren't even what the Salafiyyah practice. Shocker. Many people in the ummah have a very shallow understanding of the Salafiyyah to where their first thoughts are either the infamous ISIS or the unpopular Saudi Arabia. And then, shocker shocker, they end up holding all these prejudice beliefs thinking that the purpose of Salafiyyah is to "erase everyone's culture." Sxb, as long as components of your culture don't directly conflict with what the Qu;ran and Sunnah say, then you're free to embrace those components of that culture.
Lol @ your question. "And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided." (Surah Ali-Imran 103). This ayat discusses the importance of unity amongst the ummah. No, it does not require us to "all be the same" and "[lose] our identity." It does however require us to settle our differences and unite in order to please our Lord (subhanu wa tala).
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