Western Europe is done for

[government]

The year is irrelevant but you're right, yes, there are still people who believe that indeed...

I was just saying that women are less intelligent and weaker than men other than that we are basically the same so women should have the same opportunities as men

 

[The Cushitic One]

Somalia's defense minister

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He looks like a Bantu Somali ....
:siilaanyolaugh: Am I the only one thinking this?

 

[Mudug-Madman]

America is the protector of the West. The rest are all wussies who would be taken out by Russia or China easily.

I posted this earlier, I was 100% correct:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/the-most-cucked-people-on-earth.24813/#post-620790

1. Sweden
2. Germany
3. Canada
4. Norway
5. Denmark

^ Cucked ranking.

Canadians can actually fight though. It's just that Canada is a langaab country and the public doesn't have the appetite for ridiculous defense budgets. But our small military is actually quite capable. There's a reason why Canadians were in charge of Kandahar, one of the more deadly regions of Afghanistan, during the war. The US couldn't trust you sissy Europeans with such an important task. Even during D-day, it was the Canadians, Americans, and British storming the beaches. Canadians can fight.

Just because we're polite and don't like to brag, don't mistake us for feminine nu-males like you guys in mainland Europe.

 

[TooMacaan]

I was just saying that women are less intelligent and weaker than men other than that we are basically the same so women should have the same opportunities as men

Physical strength: The average woman is indeed weaker than the average man, although exceptions do exist.
Intelligence: The average woman occupies the middle of the IQ spectrum...while men occupy positions on the extreme ends (thus, they make up the majority of geniuses as well as the majority of idiots, I believe).

 

[Apollo]

Physical strength: The average woman is indeed weaker than the average man, although exceptions do exist.
Intelligence: The average woman occupies the middle of the IQ spectrum...while men occupy positions on the extreme ends (thus, they make up the majority of geniuses as well as the majority of idiots, I believe).

modern society gives women an advantage over certain men. It isn't just that men produce more idiots, it's that they have more risk seeking behavior which can result in them becoming drug addicts, homeless, prisoners etc.

 

[TooMacaan]

modern society gives women an advantage over certain men. It isn't just that men produce more idiots, it's that they have more risk seeking behavior which can result in them becoming drug addicts, homeless, prisoners etc.

Perhaps, but modern society is still a social environment like any other moment in history...it's about survival of the fittest (although this time, the rules have progressed to favor an 'artificial' society and against 'primitive nature' [meaning less suitable for aggressive and physically dominant males*]). As human beings we have to analyze our surroundings and figure out ways to survive [and even thrive] in our circumstances. If a man is capable he can/will figure out a way to dominate his environment; adaptation will always be the most beneficial trait/skill to have.

*Just something I'd like to add, modern society doesn't only give women an advantage over men, it gives "beta" men an advantage over "alpha" men as well(I don't like those terms to describe humans, but bear with me for the purposes of this argument).

 

[Apollo]

Perhaps, but modern society is still a social environment like any other moment in history...it's about survival of the fittest (although this time, the rules have progressed to favor an 'artificial' society and against 'primitive nature' [meaning less suitable for aggressive and physically dominant males*]). As human beings we have to analyze our surroundings and figure out ways to survive and even thrive in our circumstances. If a man is capable he can/will figure out a way to dominate his environment; adaptation will always be the most beneficial trait/skill to have.

*Just something I'd like to add, modern society doesn't only give women an advantage over men, it gives "beta" men an advantage over "alpha" men as well(I don't like those terms to describe humans, but bear with me for the purposes of this argument).

There is a difference between phenotypic IQ (influenced by environment) and genotypic IQ (what you are born with). I think men on average have 4 points higher genotypic IQ, but since the environment disadvantages them it drops to the median of women.

That small difference has big effects on the right hand side of the bell curve.

 

[TooMacaan]

There is a difference between phenotypic IQ (influenced by environment) and genotypic IQ (what you are born with). I think men on average have 4 points higher genotypic IQ, but since the environment disadvantages them it drops to the median of women.

I'm not too familiar with phenotypic vs. genotypic IQ so I can't speak too much on that. Are you saying that the reason why men occupy the extreme ends of IQ is due to environment? And that the low IQ men would've been on par with the high IQ men if it weren't for the environment??
Prior to even entering a social contract, men in their natural environments have been documented as being very different. People like to say women and men aren't equal when it comes to intelligence and leave it at that, but not all men are equal either and no amount of environmental advantages can fix that . I think we also have to look at how historical environment and child bearing responsibilities have affected women's evolutionary development (and potential for intelligence) if we're considering social influences.

 

[government]

@TooMacaan the study that you mentioned is highly flawed the study took the IQ of boys and girls at the age of 13 ignoring the fact that boys mature slower than girls also there wasn't any follow up study done to see if there's a difference at all

 

[dhegdheer]

@Amun what do you mean by modern society gives an advantage to women over men?

@TooMacaan the study that you mentioned is highly flawed the study took the IQ of boys and girls at the age of 13 ignoring the fact that boys mature slower than girls also there wasn't any follow up study done to see if there's a difference at all

Look at you seeking out legitimate sources! I've yet to see you back up the women are less intelligent claim sxb that might just be your insecurity showing

 

[government]

@Amun what do you mean by modern society gives an advantage to women over men?



Look at you seeking out legitimate sources! I've yet to see you back up the women are less intelligent claim sxb that might just be your insecurity showing

All I'm saying is that the study was done in a way to handicap young boys because there's a brief window between the age of 11 and 15 where girls have a developmental advantage due to their lower brain density also all the follow up studies we're based on that 1971study that I discussed before

 

[TooMacaan]

@TooMacaan the study that you mentioned is highly flawed the study took the IQ of boys and girls at the age of 13 ignoring the fact that boys mature slower than girls also there wasn't any follow up study done to see if there's a difference at all

I don't know which study you're talking about but there was one given to girls prior to 'maturation' (where they scored higher than boys) and post 'maturation' (where the boys distribution scores were still at the ends of the spectrum while the girls had normal distribution scores). You can check it out for yourself, if you'd like: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/PAID2011.pdf

If anything, the controversy surrounding these studies is actually more about the implication that men have innate variances in distribution whereas women occupy the same range (most believe that it's due to societal/cultural/evolutionary factors instead; "phenotypic" influences as Amun mentioned earlier rather than "genotypic"). This particular insinuation(about so called "genotypic" differences) is what causes the scientific community to be divided on the validity of studies concerning s3x differences in IQ distribution, not your reasoning about the role of maturation.

 

[oday1kenobi]

Scandinavians went from having these leaders:

To these leaders:

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Cucked beyond repair. What a downgrade.

Yeah but the Scandinavians also produced this:

It's in their blood to be stronk regardless of gender so who cares if they're women.

But ultimately @Amun is right. They are cucked beyond repair. (and no, not because of improving women's rights/equality as that is a good thing imho)

 

[government]

I don't know which study you're talking about but there was one given to girls prior to 'maturation' (where they scored higher than boys) and post 'maturation' (where the boys distribution scores were still at the ends of the spectrum while the girls had normal distribution scores). You can check it out for yourself, if you'd like: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/PAID2011.pdf

If anything, the controversy surrounding these studies is actually more about the implication that men have innate variances in distribution whereas women occupy the same range (most believe that it's due to societal/cultural/evolutionary factors instead; "phenotypic" influences as Amun mentioned earlier rather than "genotypic"). This particular insinuation(about so called "genotypic" differences) is what causes the scientific community to be divided on the validity of studies concerning s3x differences in IQ distribution, not your reasoning about the role of maturation.

We are on the Same page sister the study you have given me proves that the girls that obtained a higher average IQ at the age of 7 and 11 had a lower average IQ than the males at the age of 16

data show that the same girls, who obtained a higher average IQ
than boys at the ages of 7 and 11 years, obtained a lower average
IQ than boys at the age 16 years. This result confirms Lynn's
hypothesis that the intelligence of boys and girls matures at differ-
ent rates, and that the earlier maturation of girls gives them an IQ
advantage at the ages of 7 and 11 years, while the later maturation
of boys gives them an IQadvantage at the age of 16 years. This re
sult disconfirms the hypothesis advanced by Madhyastha, Hunt
Deary, and Dykiert (2009) that the mean intelligence of females de
clines relative to males' over time in longitudinal surveys because
of differential attrition, where low-IQ men are more likely to drop
out of the surveys than low-IQ women. To test this proposition, it is
shown that the reversal in sex difference in intelligence before and
after puberty is found when the same sample is tested at different
ages, and therefore is not the result of differential attrition of low
IQ men and women
The IQ advantage of boys at the age 16 years in this data set is
12d and is equivalent to 1.8 IQ points. This is virtually the same
as the male advantage proposed at this age by Lynn (1994) and

 

[TooMacaan]

We are on the Same page sister the study you have given me proves that the girls that obtained a higher average IQ at the age of 7 and 11 had a lower average IQ than the males at the age of 16

But if that were the case and you agree with the study I cited... why would you say that the study is highly flawed? I wasn't arguing that women were smarter than men on average.

My point was that men may be the smartest humans in the world BUT they are also the dumbest humans in the world as well. The role of maturation is irrelevant in this outcome (since the study I cited analyzes boys and girls post-maturation [thus controlling for that factor]). Agree or disagree?

 

[government]

But if that were the case and you agree with the study I cited... why would you say that the study is highly flawed? I wasn't arguing that women were smarter than men on average.

My point was that men may be the smartest humans in the world BUT they are also the dumbest humans in the world as well. The role of maturation is irrelevant in this outcome (since the study I cited analyzes boys and girls post-maturation [thus controlling for that factor]). Agree or disagree?

Correct me if I'm wrong but your study didn't mention anything about the bell curve which argues that men cover the extremes while women are in the middle this study just said that boys have higher average IQ at the age of 16. My point was the study that is the basis of the bell curve theory is flawed seeing as it didn't do what this study did and only took the IQ of boys at the age of 13 at a time were the boys still haven't reached mental maturity

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I'm not gonna lie I'm pretty impressed with @TooMacaan in this thread, she's sharp. If I didn't know any better I would've guessed she's a man.

 

[government]

I'm not gonna lie I'm pretty impressed with @TooMacaan in this thread, she's sharp. If I didn't know any better I would've guessed she's a man.

She is indeed a smart woman

 

[TooMacaan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but your study didn't mention anything about the bell curve which argues that men cover the extremes while women are in the middle this study just said that boys have higher average IQ at the age of 16. My point was the study that is the basis of the bell curve theory is flawed seeing as it didn't do what this study did and only took the IQ of boys at the age of 13 at a time were the boys still haven't reached mental maturity

The reason I posted that study is to show that some men surpass women after reaching the age of puberty (I don't actually believe the reasons are biological, rather I think it's that evolutiontionary instincts of risk taking and competition kick in). If it was only about mental maturity, then boys would have just remained on par with the girls after reaching the age of maturation (rather than surpassing girls, as they ended up doing). And as I said in a previous post, historical gender roles (such as child bearing responsibilities) have impacted the way men's and women's psychologies have evolved (thus, our behavior and tendency towards certain choices...this is environmental, not really biological).

As to the bell curve, empirical observation and even the history of evolution allows us to see that it is a logical theory. Men take more risks and historically were concerned with spreading their seed(quantity). With that: they will succeed and either end up at the top or they will fail and end up at the bottom. With women, we are usually forced to be more cautious because our historical role was to protect, house, and raise the seed (quality). With that: we historically evolved with the mentality of being averse to risk taking. And due to the lack of risk taking, women don't have the opportunity to end up on either tails of the bell curve (not many female geniuses either). Instead, women will remain stagnant in the normal distribution until behavior patterns are changed. It's pretty self evident to me.

I'd have to look at the studies of maturation differences between males and females to see if it even has any significant bearing on the outcome of the bell curve tbh. What do you mean by mental maturity? Isn't the whole 'girls mature faster than boys' thing related to emotional intelligence whereas IQ is testing general intelligence??
I also tend to notice that some men don't have a problem with accepting the notion that men are just more intelligent than women due to innate differences only...but seem to have a problem with the bell curve because it doesn't allow them to cherry pick the positives. The bell curve is a full package; you can't claim the positive/top % and cut out the negative/bottom %. Is the factor of age the only reason you have in dismissing the bell curve theory??

P.s. The last time I read some of these IQ related studies were mid-HS so it's been a few years. I know there were some really good ones though so I'll post them when I get on my laptop if I can find them again.

 

[Apollo]

@Amun what do you mean by modern society gives an advantage to women over men?

More women graduate because schools aren't set up for male intelligence to flourish. The cuckedness of it all gives women a very slight advantage.