Were the christians before Prophet Mohammed as muslim?

[AMusee]

"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones". I have a freedom to call out those priests as pedophiles but I'm not sure if you can do that. I don't want to hurt the feelings of others but the prophet's wife Aisha comes to my mind.

What about Isaac AS marrying Rebecca at age 3 according to your bible? Indeed, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And it is also true Christian priests have a history of abusing children.

 

[xabashi]

In our belief it is tied to time. In the time of Abraham, Moses, Jesus AS etc the people who heard their message and followed them were Muslims (people who submit their will to God). After their time when Prophet Mohammed was sent with the Quran then people since his time should follow his message, that is for the whole world and he is the last Prophet.

So yes before the Prophet Muhammed sws and the Quran being a Muslim was independent from those naturally as they came before. All the prophets were sent with miracles for the people and the last one was the Quran, a miracle that has been preserved for all.

It is not a label, it is an action. Islam = to submit your will to God, one who does Islam is a Muslim.

So yes, we believe Muslims always existed it is a part of our belief and God informs us of this in the Quran.

Ok, I think I got you. You just decided to call them Muslims (people who submit their will to God) even though there was no historical reference prior to Mohammed that they called themselves Muslims or were called by others as Muslims. Ok, you can do that but it is you that is doing it not them. It is your opinion but it has no historical relevance.

 

[xabashi]

What about Isaac AS marrying Rebecca at age 3 according to your bible? Indeed, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And it is also true Christian priests have a history of abusing children.

Fake news! There is nothing like that in the bible.

 

[AMusee]

Ok, I think I got you. You just decided to call them Muslims (people who submit their will to God) even though there was no historical reference prior to Mohammed that they called themselves Muslims or were called by others as Muslims. Ok, you can do that but it is you that is doing it not them. It is your opinion but it has no historical relevance.

Muslim is a word meaning submitting their wills to God. Im pretty sure even Christians in their bible believe Jesus said he submits to not his own will but Gods. By definition that is Muslim.

 

[AMusee]

Fake news! There is nothing like that in the bible.

Yes it does. Even major Rabbis state this tradition.

"Isaac was 37 yrs at time of binding of Isaac. News of Rebecca's birth reached Abraham immediately after that event (Gen 22:20). Isaac was 40 yrs old when he married Rebecca (Gen 25:20), making Rebecca 3 yrs old at time of her marriage. "

Look it up.

 

[Deleted L]

"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones". I have a freedom to call out those priests as pedophiles but I'm not sure if you can do that. I don't want to hurt the feelings of others but the prophet's wife Aisha comes to my mind.

The Prophet’s ﷺ wife Aisha رضي الله عنه had reached puberty and was physically mature for consummating the marriage.

Aisha رضي الله عنها considered herself to be a woman at the age of nine when she stated:

“When the girl reaches nine years of age, she is a woman. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027)

Shaikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri in his commentary on Sunan al-Tirmidhi said:

Aisha knew (that she hit puberty) when she became nine years old. (Shaikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Tuhfat AI-Ahwadhi,Kitab: al-Nikah, Bab: Maa Jaa'a fee Ikraah Al Yateemah 'alaa al tazweej, Hadith no. 1027)

That is to say: “I menstruated, and I was brought in a house, and there were some women of the Ansari in it. They said: With good luck and blessing. The tradition of one of them has been included in the other.” (Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Hadith 4915)

Maliki Scholar Dawudi:

“And Aishah’s body had been matured. [i.e. reached ‘good Youthfulness’ (Shabaaban husna)] – may Allah be pleased with her“ (Sharh Sahih Muslim 9/207 by Imam Nawawi

Let’s not apply our 21st century modern subjective standards to pre-modern civilization. Applying subjective modern standards to pre-modern societies is flawed which no academic takes seriously. This is called anachronism (see link): https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/anachronism

The age of consent in pre modern societies was lower than today and young girls/boys would be married off early due to the environment they lived in and the lower life expectancy they had. The age of consent in most states in the US was 10 and in Delaware was 7. Well over 30 States had the age of consent at 10. The following States had the age of consent at 10 in the 1800s:

1. Alabama
2. Arkansas
3. California
4. Colorado
5. Florida
6. Georgia
7. Idaho
8. Iowa
9. Kansas
10. Maine
11. Maryland
12. Massachusetts
13. Michigan
14. Minnesota
15. Mississippi
16. Montana
17. Nebraska
18. New Hampshire
19. New Jersey
20. New York
21. North Carolina
22. North Dakota
23. Ohio
24. Oregon
25. Pennsylvania
26. Rhode Island
27. South Carolina
28. South Dakota
29. Tennessee
30. Texas
31. Vermont
32. Wisconsin
33. Wyoming

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This article speaks of the woman’s rights groups and some men who joined them and wanted an end to some of these Laws. Bear in mind those who wanted to change the Laws were the minority in the society, the majority of Politicians and larger proportion of the society were not against the age of consent being 7 to 10.

Furthermore, this Law was also used to marry off girls as young 7 to 10 to men who were a lot older, in the 1800s.

PURITY CONGRESS MEETS; A Great Gathering for Moral Work in the City of Baltimore. AIMS AND OBJECTS OF THE MOVEMENT Determined to Prevent State Regulation of Vice and to Rescue Fallen Men and Fallen Women. (Published 1895)

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As Jonathan Brown states in his book, there’s no mention of anyone criticizing the Prophet’s ﷺ marriage to Aisha رضي الله عنها before 1905 as it was the norm in their societies. Muhammad ﷺ was slandered, criticized and attacked for fighting wars or having many wives, none of them had any issue or even brought up his marriage to Aisha رضي الله عنها. Which should tell you that this criticism isn’t objective and it’s easily debunked. This wasn’t even a controversy for 13 centuries which should tell you that there was nothing wrong with the marriage. Islamophobes today are ridiculous and grasping at straws.

In pre modern societies, girls in hotter climates would mature earlier according to French Atheist and one of greatest world’s philosophers in the field of social sciences, Montesquieu.

I have a freedom to call out those priests as pedophiles but I'm not sure if you can do that.

I’m not sure whether you’re a Christian or an Atheist but if you’re definitely living in a glass house since the age of marriage is nowhere to be found in the Bible and you believe your objective morals come from God. There’s a parable in Ezekiel which some Christians interpret to mean that consummation of marriage should only happen if a girl is “physically mature” (breasts or pubic hair), hence this criticism fails since Aisha رضي الله عنه was physically mature for the consummation and Christians who criticize this are throwing stones when they live in a glass house.

 

[Eedaaf]

she asked for it by saying that I couldn't speak proper English.

The raw meat really gets into their head sxb woo

 

[Eedaaf]

Thank you for your clarification. Ok, now I see where you guys are coming. This kind of perspective may raise some questions. If people can be Muslims without the teachings of Quran and Mohammad then there is no need for Quran and Mohammad in the first place? And when it comes to historical figures it is always better to let the persons speak for themselves. Adam, Abraham etc. never called themselves Christians or Muslims and we should respect that in my view. Besides, being Muslim (at least currently) has a distinct meaning that is tied to the Qoran and Mohammad. It is not a loose word that can be applied to all that "submits their will to God". I'm very sure if someone today said "I submit my will to God" you will definitely ask him how and use Quran and the teachings of Mohammad as a reference.

Karffir

she can’t even spell Quran right

im thinking she is a soMali larping as a habesha

 

[Eedaaf]

Fake news! There is nothing like that in the bible.

How many bibles do you niggas have and how many sects

maybe You shouldve stuck to the raw meat you were eating before worshiping a prophet

 

[xabashi]

Yes it does. Even major Rabbis state this tradition.

"Isaac was 37 yrs at time of binding of Isaac. News of Rebecca's birth reached Abraham immediately after that event (Gen 22:20). Isaac was 40 yrs old when he married Rebecca (Gen 25:20), making Rebecca 3 yrs old at time of her marriage. "

Look it up.

Clearly you are quoting Gen 22:20 from something else not the bible. Come back next time with quotes from the bible.
Gen 22:20

 

[Eedaaf]

Yes it does. Even major Rabbis state this tradition.

"Isaac was 37 yrs at time of binding of Isaac. News of Rebecca's birth reached Abraham immediately after that event (Gen 22:20). Isaac was 40 yrs old when he married Rebecca (Gen 25:20), making Rebecca 3 yrs old at time of her marriage. "

Look it up.

What

i knew these christians have corrupted the book prophet ishaaq marrying a child

 

[Eedaaf]

Clearly you are quoting Gen 22:20 from something else not the bible. Come back next time with quotes from the bible.

NETBible: Genesis 22:20

How many bibles you have there’s how many bibles

were just cherry picking here naya

like your cherry picking

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

There was a Christian minority in Arabia, but most Arabs were Pagans and there was also a fairly large Jewish presence in Arabia back then [Yemeni Jews were the last remnants of Jewry in Arabia before they were taken to Israel].

 

[AMusee]

Clearly you are quoting Gen 22:20 from something else not the bible. Come back next time with quotes from the bible.
Gen 22:20

If you were serious you would just look into the case of Isaac and Rebecca in your bible, but you dont want to.

It is also part of your Christian Amhara culture more so than any of the half a billion strong Muslim peoples in Africa. "The Amhara region of Ethiopia has the highest rates of child marriage in sub-saharan Africa."



Again, dont throw stones in glass houses remember.

 

[AMusee]

The Amhara region in Ethiopia has the highest cases of child marriage in the world.

"Ethiopia is home to 15 million child brides with one of the world’s highest rates of early marriage, according to the U.N. children’s agency UNICEF"

"In Ethiopia, Amhara National Regional State (or alternatively Amhara region) hosts the largest share of child-brides in the country."

"The ceremony, in the remote Amhara region of Ethiopia, is conducted by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Child weddings are common in this region, although it is illegal to marry below the age of 18. The priest justified conducting the wedding by saying: "We marry the girls so young to ensure they are virgins. If she was older we wouldn't marry her - someone might have raped her."

Tradition is paramount in this part of Ethiopia but practices such as child marriage can have terrible repercussions for the girls. In Amhara half of all girls are married before they are 15. Most get pregnant as soon as it is physically possible. Simegne, 12, is eight months pregnant. "I am looking forward to giving my mother a grandchild," she said. "But I would rather be back at school.""

"Amhara is very poor: it is served by few roads, children rarely get more than a few years of education and often walk many miles to school. It also has one of the highest rates of child marriage on earth."

"Child marriage is deeply embedded in the social customs of Amhara, where most people are Orthodox Christians"

 

[Deleted L]

Thank you for your clarification. Ok, now I see where you guys are coming. This kind of perspective may raise some questions. If people can be Muslims without the teachings of Quran and Mohammad then there is no need for Quran and Mohammad in the first place? And when it comes to historical figures it is always better to let the persons speak for themselves. Adam, Abraham etc. never called themselves Christians or Muslims and we should respect that in my view. Besides, being Muslim (at least currently) has a distinct meaning that is tied to the Qoran and Mohammad. It is not a loose word that can be applied to all that "submits their will to God". I'm very sure if someone today said "I submit my will to God" you will definitely ask him how and use Quran and the teachings of Mohammad as a reference.

According to the Islamic definition: A Muslim is someone who submits his will to God. By being a proper Muslim submitting your will to God, you have to acknowledge Muhammad ﷺ teachings and follow him (Islam). If you say you “submit your will to God” while rejecting Muhammad ﷺ or any other messenger before him, you can’t be a Muslim. The reason why we call the previous Prophets Muslims is because we believe they truly submitted their will to God and they were righteous.

A Muslim according to the secular or non Islamic definition is someone who follows Muhammad’s religion (Islam). Hope that clarifies.

 

[AMusee]

 

[xabashi]

If you were serious you would just look into the case of Isaac and Rebecca in your bible, but you dont want to.

It is also part of your Christian Amhara culture more so than any of the half a billion strong Muslim peoples in Africa. "The Amhara region of Ethiopia has the highest rates of child marriage in sub-saharan Africa."



Again, dont throw stones in glass houses remember.

You quoted nonexistent bible text and I gave you a link to the most well known bible translations and showed you that your quote doesn't exist. You should have just provide your link to the bible to proof your point. But you failed to do so and rather chose to talk about Amhara and what not. What has that to do with the bible text? Ok I'm done with you. You are not serious about the topic. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing. I have no time to wast for that. Bye.

P.S. Next time don't post fake quotes from the bible.

 

[CryptoSomali]

Nope. They were trinity worshipping mushriks from the jump

 

[AMusee]

You quoted nonexistent bible text and I gave you a link to the most well known bible translations and showed you that your quote doesn't exist. You should have just provide your link to the bible to proof your point. But you rather chose to talk about Amhara and what not. What has that to do with the bible text? Ok I'm done with you. You are not serious about the topic. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing. I have no time to wast for that. Bye.

It is you who is arguing for the sake of it. I gave you a clear reference "marriage of Isaac and Rebecca" and told you to look it up.

It is well known. Rabbi Rashi one of the most famous scholars in Jewish history even wrote about it, from the bible. Rashis commentary is the standard for all Jews. He stated she was 3 and he was 40, again look it up.

Also, Amhara is relevant here because you as an Amhara throwing around the word pedophile is rich seeing as you have the unique quality of coming from a nation of pedophiles by your own definition, sanctioned by your Churches and priests of course. In 2021, Amharas have the highest incidences of child marriage in the world. To your point, glass houses.