Was Somaliland a part of Somalia?

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Unilateral Declarations of Independence are allowed under International law.


Actually Singapore wanted to remain part of Malaysia but Malaysia wanted to kick them out since Singapore had a large Chinese population.

They're allowed but not respected

If you didn't like the Singapore example then what about Catalonia?

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The government collapsed so Somaliland unilaterally declared independence. Also Somalia was under a dictatorship, there was no parliament after 1969.


Malaysia actually kicked Singapore out of the union, it's not really the same case.

A unilateral declaration without consent from Mogadishu? You see what the problem is right? Going by your logic Somalia's collapse gave any group that could bring some territory under control the right to declare independence, a totally untenable conclusion. What would prevent the people in SW Somalia from declaring independence in 2000 after the attempted genocide against them? They may even have more grounds for independence than Somaliland in that they speak a different language. Somalia collapsed so everyone can now become a country, essentially chaos. Accepting Somaliland means accepting the breakup of the rest of the country into ever smaller pieces, Somalia would become another Yugoslavia.

 

[merka]

A unilateral declaration without consent from Mogadishu? You see what the problem is right? Going by your logic Somalia's collapse gave any group that could bring some territory under control the right to declare independence, a totally untenable conclusion. What would prevent the people in SW Somalia from declaring independence in 2000 after the attempted genocide against them? They may even have more grounds for independence than Somaliland in that they speak a different language. Somalia collapsed so everyone can now become a country, essentially chaos. Accepting Somaliland means accepting the breakup of the rest of the country into ever smaller pieces, Somalia would become another Yugoslavia.

The other regions aren't able to separate even if they wanted to, they are very dependent with one another economically. If the regions in the South declared independence how long will they be able to last? Even today you have villages occupied by AMISOM one day and the next day taken over by Al Shabaab.

The difference is that Somaliland has successfully governed as a de-facto state for 26 years without any help from Mogadishu. In fact it is doing better as a separate state than it did when it was united.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The other regions aren't able to separate even if they wanted to, they are very dependent with one another economically. If the regions in the South declared independence how long will they be able to last? Even today you have villages occupied by AMISOM one day and the next day taken over by Al Shabaab.

The difference is that Somaliland has successfully governed as a de-facto state for 26 years without any help from Mogadishu. In fact it is doing better as a separate state than it did when it was united.

Economics and good governance are not a sufficient justification for the breaking up of a state. Somaliland's bid for independence is basically a Trojan horse for the collapse of whatever remains of pre 1991 Somalia.

I think the best rebuttal to your claim that Somaliland did not become a part of Somalia is the fact that Somaliland would be automatically recognized by the entire world if the parliament of Somalia voted for it. If Jawaari brought a motion for recognizing Somaliland's independence and it passed, the whole world would follow a day later. That is the clearest proof of what entity was subsumed and which entity did the subsuming.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Economics and good governance are not a sufficient justification for the breaking up of a state. Somaliland's bid for independence is basically a Trojan horse for the collapse of whatever remains of pre 1991 Somalia.

I think the best rebuttal to your claim that Somaliland did not become a part of Somalia is the fact that Somaliland would be automatically recognized by the entire world if the parliament of Somalia voted for it. If Jawaari brought a motion for recognizing Somaliland's independence and it passed, the whole world would follow a day later. That is the clearest proof of what entity was subsumed and which entity did the subsuming.

 

[merka]

Economics and good governance are not a sufficient justification for the breaking up of a state. Somaliland's bid for independence is basically a Trojan horse for the collapse of whatever remains of pre 1991 Somalia.

Somaliland meets every condition the requirements of a state in international law. None of the other regions in Somalia can meet it if they decided to leave. And if they really wanted to declare independence they would have done it by now. That reason isn't based in reality.

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

I think the best rebuttal to your claim that Somaliland did not become a part of Somalia is the fact that Somaliland would be automatically recognized by the entire world if the parliament of Somalia voted for it. If Jawaari brought a motion for recognizing Somaliland's independence and it passed, the whole world would follow a day later. That is the clearest proof of what entity was subsumed and which entity did the subsuming.

That's actually not true. The process will be first having talks between the Republic of Somaliland and Federal Republic of Somalia to discuss border policies, visas, economic cooperation etc. and then have a referendum monitored by the United Nations in Somaliland. If the people of Somaliland vote for independence, the United Nations will then accept them as a member state. The parliament of Somalia has no say in this process at all.

That's how it was done for Eritrea, South Sudan and other recently independent countries.

 

[Luna]

It still is. Lol. Cut the bullshit. You need to discern between dreams and reality. All this propaganda is killing your braincells collectively.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Kkkkkkkkkk u make it appear as if Somali and Somalia are two different things.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Somaliland meets every condition the requirements of a state in international law. None of the other regions in Somalia can meet it if they decided to leave. And if they really wanted to declare independence they would have done it by now. That reason isn't based in reality.

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.


That's actually not true. The process will be first having talks between the Republic of Somaliland and Federal Republic of Somalia to discuss border policies, visas, economic cooperation etc. and then have a referendum monitored by the United Nations in Somaliland. If the people of Somaliland vote for independence, the United Nations will then accept them as a member state. The parliament of Somalia has no say in this process at all.

That's how it was done for Eritrea, South Sudan and other recently independent countries.

Keep telling that to urself kkkkkk


UN clearly said go beg ictiraaf from Xamar.
And we(Xamar)clearly use ictiraaf as toiletpapers.

We will never recognize isaaq enclave. Dream on.

U might try your luck with Darod. Hawiye is extremely nationalists.