Villa Somalia takes aim at federalism

[Abdisamad]

I don't know you how misunderstood so badly.

Xamar is worse than any of the regional governments or at least on par despite many advantages so is probably worse. That's why they want to dismantle puntland, jubbaland etc. The IC won't have other options to turn to.

Honestly it's best to dismantle Somalia, why get all these frustrations and dhiigkar over something that'll never work.. It's not federalism which has failed, but the root cause is lack of trust, corruption, qabilism and very poor leadership.. We just keep going in circle.. It doesn't matter what system they choose for Somalia nothing will work as long as every qabiil is looking to subjugate the others..

 

[The Oponian Guild]

And federalism hasn't worked for 13 years so far. How much longer do we have to wait for everyone to admit federalism failed? I think the best way forward is to have a decentralized unitary state. It allows every gobol and town to manage its own affairs without the baggage of a federal system.

I mean fair enough by all means be rid of it if it doesn’t work, but why would you say it’s failed when it hasn’t been implemented?

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Mogadishu could disappear overnight and those regions would still be dysfunctional and corrupt. Blaming Xamar when it hasn't had any effective control over Somalia in over 30 years is silly. The fact of the matter is that federalism hasn't worked, dare I say it was never meant to work as it was invented outside of Somalia.

I see, you’re not on planet earth.

 

[Abdisamad]

I mean fair enough by all means be rid of it if it doesn’t work, but why would you say it’s failed when it hasn’t been implemented?

It's to cover for the incompetence and tuugonimo, no accountability what so ever, it's always.. Buhuu, foreigners imposed federalism on us.. Buuhu America invaded us.. Buuhu we are dumb because foreigners took our brain.. So many stupid excuses.

 

[Zak12]

I don't know you how misunderstood so badly.

Xamar is worse than any of the regional governments or at least on par despite many advantages so is probably worse. That's why they want to dismantle puntland, jubbaland etc. The IC won't have other options to turn to.

Exactly they are all on par with each other hsnce arguing that Xamar is a little worse is pointless. Same level of corruption and development across Somalia. You forget that FGS came to existence in 2011/2012. What were the other regions doing until then? Regional leaders like Laftagaren have been mooryan since the 90s, they don't need Xamar's mafia like attitude to act like one.

 

[Zak12]

Balkanization is the way forward, we all go our seperate way, let the carcass called Somalia rest in peace.. Qoslaye can become the eternal president of muqdisho, if he can manage to convert into a functioning city state

Balkanization would not benefit anyone except our enemies

I see, you’re not on planet earth.

Anyone that is continuing to blame Xamar is missing the greater picture

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Exactly they are all on par with each other hsnce arguing that Xamar is a little worse is pointless. Same level of corruption and development across Somalia. You forget that FGS came to existence in 2011/2012. What were the other regions doing until then? Regional leaders like Laftagaren have been mooryan since the 90s, they don't need Xamar's mafia like attitude to act like one.

Xamar has massive budget support, instiuttional support, military support. It should be hands down for them the fact it isn't and they are complaining about regional admisntrations says everything. This is Xamar complaining about regions not the other way around. I've argued with you before and you are not that stupid you just probably want regions out of the way to clear the path for something that will never return to Somalia.

 

[Abdisamad]

Balkanization would not benefit anyone except our enemies

There's nothing called our enemies, as a Puntlander my biggest enemy is Qoslaye and those who support him.. A weak man who invented his own constitution, who only knows how to enrich himself and now has the aspirations of becoming an eternal president through corruption and manipulation..

Anyone that is continuing to blame Xamar is missing the greater picture

 

[reer]

Mogadishu could disappear overnight and those regions would still be dysfunctional and corrupt. Blaming Xamar when it hasn't had any effective control over Somalia in over 30 years is silly. The fact of the matter is that federalism hasn't worked, dare I say it was never meant to work as it was invented outside of Somalia.

because mogadishu elites call for amisom to enter ALL OF KONFURIAN qabiils territories. they dragged rahanweyn and southern darods into their amisom fest.

 

[Zak12]

It should be hands down for them the fact it isn't and they are complaining about regional admisntrations says everything

Look, I can agree that Xamar is horribly inept and is underperforming despite the support they are given but other regional states should be held accoubtable too. Don't throw stones from a glass house, everyone here is guilty.

for something that will never return to Somalia.

A stable united Somalia? Yes that is what everyone wants. And there are more systems of governance beyond centralism or federalism.

 

[FBIsomalia]

There's nothing called our enemies, as a Puntlander my biggest enemy is Qoslaye and those who support him.. A weak man who invented his own constitution, who only knows how to enrich himself and now has the aspirations of becoming an eternal president through corruption and manipulation..

That is why Juxa bring up confederal, let South Somalia apply their own, Puntland and Somaliland their systems.

 

[Zak12]

There's nothing called our enemies, as a Puntlander my biggest enemy is Qoslaye and those who support him.. A weak man who invented his own constitution, who only knows how to enrich himself and now has the aspirations of becoming an eternal president through corruption and manipulation..

Xamar's corruption was already a thing before HSM and will continue after him. Again you are refusing to blame the main culprit that is federalism, Xalane and the fact that both are linked by foreigners supporting those systems. If you were a true Puntlander, you don't go after the puppet (HSM/FGS) you go after the master.

That is why Juxa bring up confederal, let South Somalia apply their own, Puntland and Somaliland their systems.

I somewhat agree with this. Puntland and Somaliland are in a unique position as they existed decades before FGS and so it can be argued that they should retain their autonomy. I still believe in a unitary state for Somalia but Somaliland and Puntland having special autonomy ala Hong Kong would be fine as well.

 

[Abdisamad]

Xamar's corruption was already a thing before HSM and will continue after him. Again you are refusing to blame the main culprit that is federalism, Xalane and the fact that both are linked by foreigners supporting those systems. If you were a true Puntlander, you don't go after the puppet (HSM/FGS) you go after the master.

Well xalane exists because that's what's keeping muqdisho alive.. Really I've to the point the place is foreign to me.. It's shameful many Somalis have reached this point.

I somewhat agree with this. Puntland and Somaliland are in a unique position as they existed decades before FGS and so it can be argued that they should retain their autonomy. I still believe in a unitary state for Somalia but Somaliland and Puntland having special autonomy ala Hong Kong would be fine as well.