USC failed miserably, but what about SNM?

[Professor]

You don't know your history. SNM was formed in 1981 and the xasuuq happened in 1988 when the SNM were forced to leave their bases in Ethiopia and stormed Hargaysa and Burco.

Nigga shut the f*ck up and kill urself. Please akhi go upstairs, turn on your bath and slit ur wrist please. That is why we northerners will never United we you nut jobs until u stop idolise a psycho. The north was not the cause of somali but you southerners. Take responsibility for your actions.

 

[Prince Abubu]

They sure did, which was for a few Isaaq elites to consolidate power in the north so they wouldn't have to vie or compete for power with the multitude of clans from Italian Somalia. They then duped their ISaaq clansmen to support them in their quest for power under the guise of a liberation movement. The Isaaq initially didn't support the SNM, but when Siyaad Barre used some heavy handed tactics to eradicate the movement more and more ISaaqs felt persecuted and began joining the movement. Ultimately the SNM elite reached their goal of achieving power and glory, while the Isaaq civilians are more destitute and desperate than ever. But since Somalis r low IQ we still view the SNM as heroes.

You need to separate the SNM from the Somaliland elites. They are not one and the same. SNM had one objective and one objective alone - to free the north.

Somaliland's trajectory since the civil has nothing to do with SNM but that of a sick political class that took us in a completely different direction than envisioned by the Father's of our liberation. Of course Hawiye consuming one another didn't help either. But SNMs war was morally sanctioned and was a response to decades of Darood aggression and encroachment on our liberties and rights.

 

[Dhay Geel]

They sure did, which was for a few Isaaq elites to consolidate power in the north so they wouldn't have to vie or compete for power with the multitude of clans from Somali Italinia. They then duped their ISaaq clansmen to support them their quest for power under the guise of a liberation movement. The Isaaq initially didn't support the SNM, but when Siyaad Barre used some heavy handed tactics to eradicate the movement more and more ISaaqs felt persecuted and began joining the movement. Ultimately the SNM elite reached their goal of achieving power and glory, while the Isaaq civilians are more destitute and desperate than ever. But since Somalis r low IQ we still view the SNM as heroes.

Your having a laugh someone has been telling you fairytales.
SNM on rebelled when the Government started mistreating them. A lot of Isaaq men had the property and wealth taken by the government for no reason. Isaaq men were not allowed most government jobs, because it was only 1 clan that had all the government jobs.
Then when people tried rebelling they were shown to worse treatment possible. This gathered public support. Finally SNM formed and we all know what happened after that.

The goal of SNM was
1. Topple the government
2. Free the land and rule the land ourselves
3. Succeed from Somalia and reclaim our independence
4. Form a democracy

 

[xisaabiye]

Nothing but lies and revisionist history. The Isaaq elite and Siyaad were on very good terms with one another before we created the SNM. Who do u think Siyaad sent to put down the SSDF rebellion in Mudug and Bari? He sent ISaaq generals. U need to learn history and look at it objectively.

How does that even make sense? They were on good terms because siyaad barre used an isaaq general in the mudug masacre

 

[jugjugwacwac]

The snm was formed due to the government forming junta groups for ogadeen like dabar goynta isaaqa. They didn't just wake up one morning and decide to rebel. Siyad barre had ample time to ease these grievances and Isaaq elders wrote letters directly to Barre in the late 70s, did he care of course not.

The Ogaadeen WSLF group were using the arms they were given to fight the Ethiopians to fight ISaaq nomads, this is true. ANd it's true Siyaad was informed of this. But until you give me proof that Siyaad was arming them specifically for the purpose of killings ISaaqs then I can't view Siyaad to be directly responsible. The WSLF were beyond the Somali border, it could be that Siyaad was against it but could do very little. Besides Ogaadeens and ISaaq in the Hawd have always been fighting and killing each other.

 

[Professor]

Nothing but lies and revisionist history. The Isaaq elite and Siyaad were on very good terms with one another before we created the SNM. Who do u think Siyaad sent to put down the SSDF rebellion in Mudug and Bari? He sent ISaaq generals. U need to learn history and look at it objectively.

Wallahi we ere not akhi. I am got my info from my father who was an member of snm and who knew siad barre personally. The moment somaliland join with the south you actively did your best to make life hard for us. we were constantly marginalised. If we aspired for power wouldn'the have tried to take the south and declare our own government. We just wanted to leave you nut jobs and be left in peace and we are.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

did you just suggest that isaaq people would be better off under a leader who was actively pushing the genocide of that said clan. If yr trolling you are sick, if you are not then wallah you deserve to go to hell. Isaaqs would choice a peaceful state then one were they were being murdered in their own land. You are a fucking retarded,literally kill yourself you would be doing us a favour.
somali's infamous iq at its finest.

Re-read his post sxb. @jugjugwacwac said that he would not support rebels that were not united under the nationalist banner. The rebel groups were all pursuing selfish clan interests not national interests. Qabiil literally tore apart our nation. A people who share the same phenotype, culture and a common language & yet they still decide to divide themselves along imaginary clan lines. The end result, we've been the butt joke of the world for the past two decades.

 

[Prince Abubu]

The goal of these groups, SNM specifically, was to remove MSB. For the SNM, it only turned to leaving Somalia when barre left and the south was in disunity. If the SNM and their leaders were in the position of the USC, i'm just saying we wouldn't be in the west right now, i would probably have had a beach house in kismaayo and because it's Ramadan i would have been in harar. Somalia would've never collapsed if it wasn't for the lack of planning by the non-SNM rebel groups.

Exactly.

 

[xisaabiye]

The Ogaadeen WSLF group were using the arms they were given to fight the Ethiopians to fight ISaaq nomads, this is true. ANd it's true Siyaad was informed of this. But until you give me proof that Siyaad was arming them specifically for the purpose of killings ISaaqs then I can't view Siyaad to be directly responsible. The WSLF were beyond the Somali border, it could be that Siyaad was against it but could do very little. Besides Ogaadeens and ISaaq in the Hawd have always been fighting and killing each other.

He was well aware of them forming dabar goynta isaaqa, and his continuation of arming them is proof in and of itself that he fully supported them.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

How does that even make sense? They were on good terms because siyaad barre used an isaaq general in the mudug masacre

Umm, yes it actually does. It well known that there was no beef between Siyaad and ISaaq at that time.

 

[horumar]

The Ogaadeen WSLF group were using the arms they were given to fight the Ethiopians to fight ISaaq nomads, this is true. ANd it's true Siyaad was informed of this. But until you give me proof that Siyaad was arming them specifically for the purpose of killings ISaaqs then I can't view Siyaad to be directly responsible. The WSLF were beyond the Somali border, it could be that Siyaad was against it but could do very little. Besides Ogaadeens and ISaaq in the Hawd have always been fighting and killing each other.

"[M]any Ogadeni refugees were recruited into the WSLF. The WSLF was ostensibly being trained to fight Ethiopia to regain the Ogaden [Western Somalia], but, in fact, terrorized the Isaak [Isaaq] civilian population living in the border region, which came to fear them more than the Ethiopian army. Killings, rape and looting became common."

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HT7FBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq="government+offices+dealing+with+refugee+affairs,+so+that+"&source=bl&ots=ozHrQm_tnK&sig=ONXNGrbsS4TR-nrBBwCnfvrbMhg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE_pivxPLRAhVIxxQKHeIjCssQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q="government offices dealing with refugee affairs, so that "&f=false

mr jugajugaogabugwacwac, there is your proof^

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

@SOMALI GENERAL

"The Somali National Movement, the umbrella organization that united Isaaq political and military opposition to Siyaad Barre, was founded in England in the early eighties. During the formative days of the SNM, two respected Dhulbahante figures who were visiting London approached the senior leadership of the SNM. The two men were Maxamed Axmed Cabdulle( Sakhraan) and Cali Garaad Jaamac(the Hereditary Chief of the Dhulbahante). From the very beginning, both men were targetted as enemies of the revolution by the Somali Government of Siyaad Barre and they too were vociferous opponents of the Kacaan. They proposed to the SNM that the movement's base should be broadened to become a Northern opposition to the Siyaad government. Their proposal was met with a resounding rejection by the Isaaq SNM leadership and the two Dhulbahante elders were advised to launch their own anti-government movement if they were dissatisfied with the state of affairs in Muqdisho. They were bluntly told that the SNM was an Isaaq movement and had no place for the Dhulbahante."

 

[xisaabiye]

@SOMALI GENERAL

"The Somali National Movement, the umbrella organization that united Isaaq political and military opposition to Siyaad Barre, was founded in England in the early eighties. During the formative days of the SNM, two respected Dhulbahante figures who were visiting London approached the senior leadership of the SNM. The two men were Maxamed Axmed Cabdulle( Sakhraan) and Cali Garaad Jaamac(the Hereditary Chief of the Dhulbahante). From the very beginning, both men were targetted as enemies of the revolution by the Somali Government of Siyaad Barre and they too were vociferous opponents of the Kacaan. They proposed to the SNM that the movement's base should be broadened to become a Northern opposition to the Siyaad government. Their proposal was met with a resounding rejection by the Isaaq SNM leadership and the two Dhulbahante elders were advised to launch their own anti-government movement if they were dissatisfied with the state of affairs in Muqdisho. They were bluntly told that the SNM was an Isaaq movement and had no place for the Dhulbahante."

Can you blame them The government was literally known as MOD. You think i'd trust a darood, let alone a dhulbahaante in those times. Just look at you, a child of that clan raised in the west who can probably not even speak somali, yet due to your clan identity you deny that a genocide even took place or that siyad barre was even wrong. Let alone trusting dhulo to be anti kacaan in the 80s

 

[Dhay Geel]

Anyways the past is the past I don't want to get into to it.

SNM achieved its goals
1. We got rid of the government and now we have our own government
2. We freed our land and we still control our lands
3. We claimed independence from Somalia and have not united again
4. We have a democracy system put in place
5. We have peace and our people don't need to look back at their shoulders

Can the same be said about USC and all the other rebellious groups

 

[blueheff]

Can you blame them The government was literally known as MOD. You think i'd trust a darood, let alone a dhulbahaante in those times. Just look at you, a child of that clan raised in the west who can probably not even speak somali, yet due to your clan identity you deny that a genocide even took place or that siyad barre was even wrong

Who denied the genocide ?

 

[xisaabiye]

Who denied the genocide ?

the person i responded too

 

[Tjioux]

Can you blame them The government was literally known as MOD. You think i'd trust a darood, let alone a dhulbahaante in those times. Just look at you, a child of that clan raised in the west who can probably not even speak somali, yet due to your clan identity you deny that a genocide even took place or that siyad barre was even wrong. Let alone trusting dhulo to be anti kacaan in the 80s

You've got a point, and btw why the hell would dulbahnte rebel against Siad Barre in those times, they were one of the clans who were eating good under him, shit doesnt make any sense

 

[xisaabiye]

You've got a point, and btw why the hell would dulbahnte rebel against Siad Barre in those times, they were one of the clans who were eating good

Maad aragtay.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Can you blame them The government was literally known as MOD. You think i'd trust a darood, let alone a dhulbahaante in those times. Just look at you, a child of that clan raised in the west who can probably not even speak somali, yet due to your clan identity you deny that a genocide even took place or that siyad barre was even wrong

The Isaaq were content with the government, and allowing Dhulbahante to join the SNM would mean that they wouldn't be able spread anti-Darood propoganda to rally the population against the government.

"Subsequent Isaaq propaganda(poems, radio broadcasts) to mobilize their population was filled with a most vile, abusive and racist language against the Daarood people. Demonstrations held by students in Isaaq cities like Hargeysa and Burco were notable for the vile anti-Daarood slogans chanted by the participants. It became soon became fairly obvious to anti-government Daarood students that the Isaaqs were not so much anti-government as they were anti-Daarood."

 

[xisaabiye]

The Isaaq were content with the government, and allowing Dhulbahante to join the SNM would mean that they wouldn't be able spread anti-Darood propoganda to rally the population against the government.

"Subsequent Isaaq propaganda(poems, radio broadcasts) to mobilize their population was filled with a most vile, abusive and racist language against the Daarood people. Demonstrations held by students in Isaaq cities like Hargeysa and Burco were notable for the vile anti-Daarood slogans chanted by the participants. It became soon became fairly obvious to anti-government Daarood students that the Isaaqs were not so much anti-government as they were anti-Daarood."

War niinyo do i deny that . Wallahi i'm a truthful person, Isaaq knew darood, specifically MOD was the enemy and it was afweyne who pinned them against eachother. When you see the darood being evacuated from your cities before curfew and mass executions started what else would they think about your tribe