USC failed miserably, but what about SNM?

[Gadhwayne]

I never said that the USC was beneficial to Somalia. Only that they did what they set out to do from the beginning: to stop Afweyne from massacring their people. I don't condone what they did after they accomplished that.

There is little or nothing to condemn about the USC in it's entirety Afweyne caused mass hysteria among Jabartis. Jabartis mostly listened to Afweyne instead of OG mujaahid CumarJees. Clan wars and chaos ensued. SouthernJabartis lost. Then CaliMahdi betrayed the USC liberation war wing of Caydiid and the USC pact with SNM/SPM. You cant blame USC for CaliMahdi's attempts to appease Afweyne and betray SNM. You cant blame USC for the clan wars or Iririst reaction to Afweyne's Daaroodism wars against Haawiye. And you cant blame USC for Afweyne losing Muqdisho streets to street gangs for the last few years of his regime

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[Dharbaaxo Jin]

Well you said the original mission of SNM was not separation so technically many of your own heroes started out as a political liberation movement for all Somalia. Anyway I found this interview (disclaimer: I'm not making any statements or claim , I'm genuinely curious to know if this is true or not)
In an interview with IRIN the same year, SNM leader Abdirahman Awale also said of Egal that "when he says he is for independence, it is for local consumption only. He tells the people here one thing, but in his speeches elsewhere he has clearly declared that Somalia will unite one day. He says we will talk to the southerners when they make their home clean and negotiate with them... He says one thing to the public, and a different thing to the international community."

Somalia: IRIN interview with Somali National Movement (SNM) - Somalia

News and Press Release in English on Somalia; published on 18 May 2001 by TNH

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Cabdiraxmaan Cawale was one of Cigaal's political opponents. Taking him merely at his word is like taking Trump's word on Obama.
Notice how there is not one single speech in existence like the ones Cawale claims Cigaal made where Cigaal voiced his supposedly "pro-union" stance.

The only thing that Cigaal did do was to tell international organisations what they wanted to hear in order to secure funding or a more favourable position for Somaliland. He'd agree that he'd talk to Somalia if it ever became stable and peaceful. Critics of Cigaaal at the time would use that as a weapon to say he is pro-union, as at the time most Somalilanders were vehemently opposed to any talks with the south, myself included. Here we are 30 odd years later and several SL presidents have had talks with Somalia, just as Cigaal suggested, without ever compromising our independence.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

I'm saying this as someone who is pro Somaliweyn and against separatism. SNM is the only winner in the somali civil war, they reached their goal which was overthrowing Siad Barre and getting de facto independence. Today Somaliland has many issues and does many stuff i disagree with but at the end of the day they reached their goal and managed to be relatively peaceful and stable. USC on the other hand is the biggest looser of the civil war, they had the entire country in their hands and destroyed everything by looting and killing each other even among their own group. The USC had potential to become a TPLF style ruler in Somalia but instead they literally destroyed themselves.

USC on the other hand is the biggest looser of the civil war, they had the entire country in their hands and destroyed everything by looting and killing each other

That's your opinion but is not factual.
The children if USC have moved on and are trying to build their lands , all of my relatives moved back home and have build their properties and opened back their bussineses .if we killed each other is not any of your bussines , we moved from the past and now our city is slowly becoming the biggest city in the HORN ,what's important is that the dictator and his followers were kicked out from power and the people got their rightful lands back.

I would love for you and other kacanists to make a thread on what afweyne left for his followers in their lands.

We have over 2k post in the development section of what Reer USC have left for their followers in Mogadishu

 

[Som]

USC on the other hand is the biggest looser of the civil war, they had the entire country in their hands and destroyed everything by looting and killing each other

That's your opinion but is not factual.
The children if USC have moved on and are trying to build their lands , all of my relatives moved back home and have build their properties and opened back their bussineses .if we killed each other is not any of your bussines , we moved from the past and now our city is slowly becoming the biggest city in the HORN ,what's important is that the dictator and his followers were kicked out from power and the people got their rightful lands back.

I would love for you and other kacanists to make a thread on what afweyne left for his followers in their lands.

We have over 2k post in the development section of what Reer USC have left for their followers in Mogadishu

Xamar houses still have bullet holes from the civil war, a part from some shiny looking buildings many areas are still destroyed and crumbling. Mogadishu is now known for terrorism, gaajo and dagaal while before 1991 it was known as the pearl of the Indian ocean. Tourist used to visit Xamar and felt safe, now visiting Xamar as a non-somali tourist is big news because it's consider a dangerous hellhole. These are facts I challenge you to deny this

 

[Som]

There is little or nothing to condemn about the USC in it's entirety Afweyne caused mass hysteria among Jabartis. Jabartis mostly listened to Afweyne instead of OG mujaahid CumarJees. Clan wars and chaos ensued. SouthernJabartis lost. Then CaliMahdi betrayed the USC liberation war wing of Caydiid and the USC pact with SNM/SPM. You cant blame USC for CaliMahdi's attempts to appease Afweyne and betray SNM. You cant blame USC for the clan wars or Iririst reaction to Afweyne's Daaroodism wars against Haawiye. And you cant blame USC for Afweyne losing Muqdisho streets to street gangs for the last few years of his regime

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What do you mean I can't blame USC for Cali Mahdi, dude the Guy was USC himself. If the USC had internal fighting it's their own fault. How are you going to blame your enemy for you own internal railings? Also the USC killed innocent Darood civilians and you have the guts to say jabartis had hysteria?

 

[Based]

calaacal maaha dhaqan marehan

 

[Based]

Xamar houses still have bullet holes from the civil war, a part from some shiny looking buildings many areas are still destroyed and crumbling. Mogadishu is now known for terrorism, gaajo and dagaal while before 1991 it was known as the pearl of the Indian ocean. Tourist used to visit Xamar and felt safe, now visiting Xamar as a non-somali tourist is big news because it's consider a dangerous hellhole. These are facts I challenge you to deny this

Maseer iyo cuqdad Xamar is easily the best place in all of Soomaliweyn to live in. You're always welcome in Xamar, we treat stray negroes like you with care.

 

[Som]

Maseer iyo cuqdad Xamar is easily the best place in all of Soomaliweyn to live in. You're always welcome in Xamar, we treat stray negroes like you with care.

Xamar under kacaan

Xamar under mooryaanism

I rest my case

 

[repo]

I would love for you and other kacanists to make a thread on what afweyne left for his followers in their lands.

We have over 2k post in the development section of what Reer USC have left for their followers in Mogadishu

You will never catch them in the development section.

 

[somalipatriot]

What do you mean I can't blame USC for Cali Mahdi, dude the Guy was USC himself. If the USC had internal fighting it's their own fault. How are you going to blame your enemy for you own internal railings? Also the USC killed innocent Darood civilians and you have the guts to say jabartis had hysteria?

Ali Mahdi was the rightful president after Siad barre’s departure if he was to blame for aidid refusal to recognise him then why did Siad barre prefer him and the manifesto group of the usc over aidid and his SNF along with all the gedo elders sent him congratulations telegram message for his election at the Djibouti conference 1991

 

[Gadhwayne]

What do you mean I can't blame USC for Cali Mahdi, dude the Guy was USC himself. If the USC had internal fighting it's their own fault. How are you going to blame your enemy for you own internal railings? Also the USC killed innocent Darood civilians and you have the guts to say jabartis had hysteria?

Haawiye should be blamed for any any innocent MX they killed. Any southern Irir who killed an innocent southern Jabarti should also be blamed. But we have to acknowledge 3 facts.

For the last few years of his regime, Afweyne was losing Muqdisho streets street gangs that did not operate on clan/politics.

Afweyne cried tollaahayeey yaa daaDaarood ah to turn Jabartis against the liberation. Even thought he liberation movement included OG/CumarJees as well as USC/SNM. Afweyne is responsible for inciting Jabartis against the liberation. Afweyne is responsible for the ensuing war between southern Jabartis and southern Irir. Daaroodism begets Samaale/Irir reaction. SouthernJabartis are just as much to blame as southern Irir when it comes to the post Afweyne clan wars between southernJabartis and southern Irir. The difference is Jabartis except for CumarJees had more losses than the larger Irir confederation. Nobody is innocent but dont blame USC for genocide. It was chaotic clan wars started by Afweyne as a last ditched effort to save himself by sacrificing peace and Jabarti welfare in Muqdisho

The 3rd fact is the USC did not gain the capacity to restore order to Muqdisho. Blame that again on Afweyne/CaliMahdi. CaliMahdi weakened the USC and betrayed the USC/SNM/SPM plan to rebuild the national government. CaliMahdi was trying to appease Afweyne as mujaahid OG CumarJees presciently warned the nation.

why did Siad barre prefer him and the manifesto group of the usc over aidid and his SNF along with all the gedo elders sent him congratulations telegram message for his election at the Djibouti conference 1991

This is what I tried to explain to @Som @reer @Woke1.4rm.Shibis and @Future

CaliMahdi betrayed the other liberation movements to appease Afweyne. It added to the chaos caused by Afweyne's clannism and the nonpolitical/nonclannist street gangs taking over Muqdisho during the last few years of Afweyne. It also alienated the other liberation movements. This is why SNM agreed with the defeated norhtern Jabarti/Irir alliance to withdraw fromt he union with the South

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[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Xamar houses still have bullet holes from the civil war, a part from some shiny looking buildings many areas are still destroyed and crumbling. Mogadishu is now known for terrorism, gaajo and dagaal while before 1991 it was known as the pearl of the Indian ocean. Tourist used to visit Xamar and felt safe, now visiting Xamar as a non-somali tourist is big news because it's consider a dangerous hellhole. These are facts I challenge you to deny this

Xamar houses still have bullet holes from the civil war

Yes I know thank you for reminding me , rest assured the natives of the city are working on reparing the bullet hole damages.

Mogadishu is now known for terrorism, gaajo and dagaal while before 1991 it was known as the pearl of the Indian ocean

I'm pretty sure Mogadishu is not the only city known for dagaal,gaajo and terrorism in the world . Mogadishu was know as pearl of the Indian Ocean back in the early 1800 , way befor your precious kacaan came to existence .

I know the history of my city and what we went through , we picked ourselfs up and moved on . We are now known as the most resilient city in the world . The only think we natives regret is letting the dictators nephew and his ethnic back to our city to destroy the hard work we put in .

Now let's get back to the topic at hand , USC not only won what it started (kicking the dictator out of power) but the brave usc made that rat die in a state of misery. Let me remind you of the outcome

This is how your aabo died in the ghettos of nigeria " home was robbed more than once"
"SIAD died a frustrated and embittered man"

Dont hate the player ,hate the game .is not the fault of the natives of Mogadishu that you couldnt defend your messiah when it mattered .

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Xamar under kacaan

Xamar under mooryaanism

I rest my case

Thank you for posting a befor and after pic of my city .can you post a befor and after picture of your city now ?
I've never seen pics of other cities in Somalia during the kacaan regime.

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

You will never catch them in the development section.

Waa yaab , if they going to blame things solely on USC atleast they couldve shown us what the kacaan regime left for them in their own backyards.
Let's be honest the whole of Somalia was a shithole except maybe two streets in Mogadishu and few hotels and homes for the super elites during the dictator regime , now we see the growth of many cities, more hospitals and universities.

"Ppl that dwell on the past have given up on the future" ~~ Sir woke1 ibn hu2u

 

[somalipatriot]

Haawiye should be blamed for any any innocent MX they killed. Any southern Irir who killed an innocent southern Jabarti should also be blamed. But we have to acknowledge 3 facts.

For the last few years of his regime, Afweyne was losing Muqdisho streets street gangs that did not operate on clan/politics.

Afweyne cried tollaahayeey yaa daaDaarood ah to turn Jabartis against the liberation. Even thought he liberation movement included OG/CumarJees as well as USC/SNM. Afweyne is responsible for inciting Jabartis against the liberation. Afweyne is responsible for the ensuing war between southern Jabartis and southern Irir. Daaroodism begets Samaale/Irir reaction. SouthernJabartis are just as much to blame as southern Irir when it comes to the post Afweyne clan wars between southernJabartis and southern Irir. The difference is Jabartis except for CumarJees had more losses than the larger Irir confederation. Nobody is innocent but dont blame USC for genocide. It was chaotic clan wars started by Afweyne as a last ditched effort to save himself by sacrificing peace and Jabarti welfare in Muqdisho

The 3rd fact is the USC did not gain the capacity to restore order to Muqdisho. Blame that again on Afweyne/CaliMahdi. CaliMahdi weakened the USC and betrayed the USC/SNM/SPM plan to rebuild the national government. CaliMahdi was trying to appease Afweyne as mujaahid OG CumarJees presciently warned the nation.



This is what I tried to explain to @Som @reer @Woke1.4rm.Shibis and @Future

CaliMahdi betrayed the other liberation movements to appease Afweyne. It added to the chaos caused by Afweyne's clannism and the nonpolitical/nonclannist street gangs taking over Muqdisho during the last few years of Afweyne. It also alienated the other liberation movements. This is why SNM agreed with the defeated norhtern Jabarti/Irir alliance to withdraw fromt he union with the South

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Then who was Omar arteh Ghalib didn’t he come from the northwest? when he was also Somalia’s prime minister during Ali Mahdi’s presidency until may 1993 so why these lies against jaalle siyaad and Ali Mahdi and not Gen Aidid ? you must be a snm sympathizer for this if you’re not going to give me a honest response on this without bringing nonsense qabyalaad into it then stop twisting historical events into qabiil daydreams

 

[InaShaqalle]

@somalipatriot nobody cares about what you have to say as long as you don't accept that the one clan Afweyne dictatorship destroyed the Somali Republic

 

[Gadhwayne]

Then who was Omar arteh Ghalib didn’t he come from the northwest?

CaliMahdi selected him probably because inaCarte was naive and more acceptable to Afweyne than SNM/Tuur.

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Blame Carte for SomaliaItaliana chaos just as long as you understand he did not represent SNM/Isaaq

 

[Som]

Xamar houses still have bullet holes from the civil war

Yes I know thank you for reminding me , rest assured the natives of the city are working on reparing the bullet hole damages.

Mogadishu is now known for terrorism, gaajo and dagaal while before 1991 it was known as the pearl of the Indian ocean

I'm pretty sure Mogadishu is not the only city known for dagaal,gaajo and terrorism in the world . Mogadishu was know as pearl of the Indian Ocean back in the early 1800 , way befor your precious kacaan came to existence .

I know the history of my city and what we went through , we picked ourselfs up and moved on . We are now known as the most resilient city in the world . The only think we natives regret is letting the dictators nephew and his ethnic back to our city to destroy the hard work we put in .

Now let's get back to the topic at hand , USC not only won what it started (kicking the dictator out of power) but the brave usc made that rat die in a state of misery. Let me remind you of the outcome View attachment 214757
This is how your aabo died in the ghettos of nigeria " home was robbed more than once"
"SIAD died a frustrated and embittered man"

Dont hate the player ,hate the game .is not the fault of the natives of Mogadishu that you couldnt defend your messiah when it mattered .

30 years to repair bullet holes? Wallahi this would be funny if it wasn't tragic.
Siad Barre may have died in a bad state but history shows he was the last president of a stable Somalia while your guy Caydiid is portrait

CaliMahdi selected him probably because inaCarte was naive and more acceptable to Afweyne than SNM/Tuur.

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Blame Carte for SomaliaItaliana chaos just as long as you understand he did not represent SNM/Isaaq

That's interesting. I'll agree with you that Carte is responsible for much of the trouble because he didn't bring the country together and dismissed the military instead of using the remaining soldiers to fight back and possibly negotiate a deal with the opposition. Carte made a huge mistake but I believe he was influenced by his fellow somalilanders, he felt Somalia was lost so he abandoned the sinking ship instead of doing his job which was saving the country from falling in to further chaos

 

[Som]

@somalipatriot nobody cares about what you have to say as long as you don't accept that the one clan Afweyne dictatorship destroyed the Somali Republic

For the sake of argument even if we accept that Siad destroyed Somalia (it's not true) why did the opposition fail to fix things after he left? What excuses does the anti kacaan movement have after 30 years of failing the somali people?

 

[Gadhwayne]

That's interesting. I'll agree with you that Carte is responsible for much of the trouble because he didn't bring the country together and dismissed the military instead of using the remaining soldiers to fight back and possibly negotiate a deal with the opposition. Carte made a huge mistake but I believe he was influenced by his fellow somalilanders, he felt Somalia was lost so he abandoned the sinking ship instead of doing his job which was saving the country from falling in to further chaos

Blame Carte for whatever you want as long as you understand he was not directed by SNM. SNA devolved into clan miltias wearing SNA uniforms. Afweyne's clan militias were losing to SNM in a war of attrition or they would be given safe passage. They chose safe passage and left the bulk of SNA heavy weapons to be inheritted by SNM

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