HISTORY Unknown eras in Somali history

[moosaid]

There are unknown eras in Somali history. We know almost everything that happened in the last 300 years and the period of conflict with Axum, but there are two unknown periods. The first is the period of the emergence of modern tribes in the 12th century
According to oral history, names of regions and monuments
It is said that there were Abyssinians ruling the Somalis or other non-Muslim Somalis??!
Like yufle it's ha tuulo in sanaag They say it is the name of a Haishi king who was killed there
Also damal And he is, as they say, the tax collector of the King of Abyssinia or gaalo madow who was killed.
Here in badweyne it's in sool Where this happen And explains the story
Somali name and his wife speaks Somali It seems that they demolished an old mosque and found books in it.
The second part is the destruction of cities and who destroyed the cities
Who lived in these cities and who destroyed these cities? Currently Somalis say that those who destroyed the cities were not Somalis, and also those who lived in them were not Somalis. So who are they and where did they go?
This is maduun a city old in sanaag The old man was really cultured and dealt with the Erikologus, but he said they were not Somalis.
Also fardawasa A city that was on the site of the city of Sheikh. It is said that it had a great wall that was closed and opened, but a woman opened the wall by mistake, so an army came down from the mountain and destroyed it and killed everyone in it. Only two people survived and fled to Barbara.
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There soo many others With the same similar stories, a non-Muslim king was ruling and cities were destroyed.
But it is difficult to believe that the Abyssinians reached this far east, at a time when the conflict in Hargaya

 

[moosaid]

@Shimbiris @The alchemist
And the rest of the historians, what is your theory?

 

[The alchemist]

I don't share that view, sxb. Somalis lived in any city. They were, for the most part, not destroyed but abandoned after the Ifat-Adal period.

The Habash factor was never any direct rule, and their presence is not monopoly-based even in the coastal margins where we did some trade with them at times. Their commodities during the Axumite period were about a quarter of the artifacts, though they were heavier than others in pottery since they almost exclusively exported pottery, making 55% of the total. The Axumite trade occurred between the 3rd and 7th centuries, mostly limited to Ceel Gerdi and Siyaara.

Trade relations with the Egyptian and Mediterranean world were on the whole larger when we consider other artefacts in the first to 7th century range, and they were spread out across the sites considered.

Trade with the Abbysinyans was practically non-existent in the Ifat-Adal period, with most of the trade being with Yemen, East Asia (and SEA), Iran, India and Egypt, in that order. That speaks to how basically the economy of the Somali Islamic civilization was its own region and excluded the Abyssinians they were in conflict.

The Habash did not go to Sanaag for conflict. You had Habash in the medieval go to western Somaliland to have conflict sometimes, but these were lesser skirmishes, if I recall correctly, and had no apparatus capable of taking over or maintaining control in those conflict fronts. Just minor-level attacks that deal with ambush with the aim of doing damage, killing people, taking people as slaves, and taking the families of high-status individuals as captives. There are writings in the Habash description that explain how a small band failed, with 5 becoming captives, but somehow they all conveniently escaped independently and found each other on the roads due to some sort of Christian revelation.

I have written something about Fardowsa. Check it out. It shows that Fardowsa had no evidence of violence on it. The prevalence of violence in cities was overstated by a high amount, according to the archaeological record.

Quoted from those Spanish guys (their interpretation is garbage since they have no concept of history, anthropology, ethnography, and general subsistence framework beyond descriptive archeological research of a materialistic lens and economic qualification through trade artifacts):

"Inland, violence seems to have been marginal, but the result of the dismantling of trade networks and the end of political stability also led to a progressive return to a nomadic lifestyle. Fardowsa, as a town deeply involved in trade, must have sorely felt the collapse of the trade system."

 

[moosaid]

I don't share that view, sxb. Somalis lived in any city. They were, for the most part, not destroyed but abandoned after the Ifat-Adal period.

The Habash factor was never any direct rule, and their presence is little even in the coastal margins where we did extensively trade with them at times, and neither did Habash go to Sanaag for conflict, if I read it right. You had Habash in the medieval go to western Somaliland to have conflict sometimes, but these were lesser skirmishes, iirc, and had no apparatus capable of taking over or maintaining control. Jus tminor level conflict that deals with ambush. There are writings in the Habash description that explain how a small band failed, with 5 becoming captives, but somehow they all conveniently escaped independently and found each other on the roads due to some sort of Christian revelation.

I have written something about Fardowsa. Check it out. It shows that Fardowsa had no evidence of violence on it. The prevalence of violence in cities was overstated by a high amount, according to the archaeological record.

Give me sources and links please.
So who do you think we were fighting with?

 

[The alchemist]

Give me sources and links please.
So who do you think we were fighting with?

I recently edited to add clarity things. Read again.

No one was fighting Habash that deep in Somaliland. Those guys could not trek through pastoralist lands in the desert environments without desert caravan capacity. I can't search for shit since that option is gone and Fordowsa's post is probably not a thread.

The source itself on Fardowsa and the trades from the first century and the Ifat-Adal period are these:

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/718184

Asia in the Horn. The Indian Ocean trade in Somaliland

The Indian Ocean trade in the Horn of Africa during the Middle Ages has received much less attention than in other regions of the Islamic world, such …

www.sciencedirect.com

https://brill.com/view/journals/jaa/22/1-2/article-p86_5.xml

Don't bother with the ignorant historical and contextual political claims that are idiotic, but take the archaeology for what it is. These Spanish people have emphasized a constant colony, colonization and foreign imposition of complexity for the Somali region and constantly marginalize Somalis in their own notions of limited "nomad" imbued with a timeless anti-advancement ethos, whereas economic cosmopolitanism reflects cosmopolitan demic flow and establishment. All garbage. These guys are pretty racist. It's important for me to preface this, given that their texts are a hotbed of anti-Somali emphasis. I have written about these guys, and you should check that out. This is to say, keep to the qualitative descriptive aspect of their work that is instructive and data-driven, not the rest (meaning the how that data is fit into geo-historical cultural civilizational factors). Maybe someone else can link that text, since I skimmed some of the Culture and & History section and could not find it.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

There are unknown eras in Somali history. We know almost everything that happened in the last 300 years and the period of conflict with Axum, but there are two unknown periods. The first is the period of the emergence of modern tribes in the 12th century
According to oral history, names of regions and monuments
It is said that there were Abyssinians ruling the Somalis or other non-Muslim Somalis??!
Like yufle it's ha tuulo in sanaag They say it is the name of a Haishi king who was killed there
Also damal And he is, as they say, the tax collector of the King of Abyssinia or gaalo madow who was killed.
Here in badweyne it's in sool Where this happen And explains the story
Somali name and his wife speaks Somali It seems that they demolished an old mosque and found books in it.
The second part is the destruction of cities and who destroyed the cities
Who lived in these cities and who destroyed these cities? Currently Somalis say that those who destroyed the cities were not Somalis, and also those who lived in them were not Somalis. So who are they and where did they go?
This is maduun a city old in sanaag The old man was really cultured and dealt with the Erikologus, but he said they were not Somalis.
Also fardawasa A city that was on the site of the city of Sheikh. It is said that it had a great wall that was closed and opened, but a woman opened the wall by mistake, so an army came down from the mountain and destroyed it and killed everyone in it. Only two people survived and fled to Barbara.
4:30
There soo many others With the same similar stories, a non-Muslim king was ruling and cities were destroyed.
But it is difficult to believe that the Abyssinians reached this far east, at a time when the conflict in HargayaView attachment 374530

Theyre confusing oromos with habeshis, most somalis dont even know oromo invasions happened