Universal TV hosts a strange topic

[Hilmaam]

Oromos are highly underestimated by Somalis for some reason. They will be the ones doing the assimilating if they want to since they hold the seat of Ethiopia with SR under their jurisdiction.

Y-DNA does make you Somali. If you do not have one of the 3 main haplogroups then you are not one. Language does not make one Somali and vice versa for Afaan Oromo.

Oromos simply do not assimilate unless it's done through the barrel of a gun. How'd you think some clans managed to assimilate them? It was due to raids, invasions or remnants of a migration which they were forcefully assimilated.

They are split half and half by religion . Then they have same issues with clans as us . Somalia has two nations they have none and are under Amhara centric state from religion to language . They have alot going against them

 

[Hilmaam]

Talk all you want on the internet, dreaming is free.

Somali and Muslim oromos make good team . We look alike and have similar culture and religion

 

[El Nino]

Oromos are highly underestimated by Somalis for some reason. They will be the ones doing the assimilating if they want to since they hold the seat of Ethiopia with SR under their jurisdiction.

Somalis really haven’t really given a go for assimilation, our clan system and culture is not one for outsiders. Only few foreign groups have managed somewhat to assimilate and they were small in number.

Where was your clan when Oromo invasions were repelled multiple times in the North? Stopping them from reaching the coastline, btw.

We could've ventured into new lands but we were all alone on the defence. None of you guys talking about assimilation's clans were to be seen.

My clan was in coastal strip of Mudug, far away from the horde I know we would have assimilated them, I have 100% confidence that my great-great-grandfather would have agreed with me.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Somali and Muslim oromos make good team . We look alike and have similar culture and religion

I was about to say iska Ilow and we should keep these folks away but I just watched a oromo wedding video




The women

 

[El Nino]

A lot of oromos became Muslim recently like 19th century . Now half are Muslim should have been assimilated then

Many also became muslim with the help of somalis, imagine if we just straight up adopted them. Oromos played the long game, all the folks they assimilated now wholeheartedly believe in Oromumma and will fight for it in the future. It could have been us man.

My theory is constant clan warfare has killed all the men with different perspective, leaving only tunnel visioned idiots to procreate. Thats we couldn’t have nice things, like conquering all of the horn.

 

[Zarathustra]

Many also became muslim with the help of somalis, imagine if we just straight up adopted them. Oromos played the long game, all the folks they assimilated now wholeheartedly believe in Oromumma and will fight for it in the future. It could have been us man.

My theory is constant clan warfare has killed all the men with different perspective, leaving only tunnel visioned idiots to procreate. Thats we couldn’t have nice things, like conquering all of the horn.

With the help of Somalis? That is literally not true.

The majority who contributed to converting Oromos to Islam is surprisingly the Egyptians and some Hararis. When the Khedivate of Egypt occupied Harar during her invasion on Abyssinia, she spreaded Islam around Hararghe and converted a lot of Orthodox/Pagan Oromos into Islam.

 

[El Nino]

With the help of Somalis? That is literally not true.

The majority who contributed to converting Oromos to Islam is surprisingly the Egyptians and some Hararis. When the Khedivate of Egypt occupied Harar during her invasion on Abyssinia, she spreaded Islam around Hararghe and converted a lot of Orthodox/Pagan Oromos into Islam.

You literally denying some of them did not become muslim due to us (are you even somali btw, looking fishy now). There is literally a shrine / tomb in Bale of a somali saint. Be serious.

 

[Zarathustra]

You literally denying some of them did not become muslim due to us (are you even somali btw, looking fishy now). There is literally a shrine / tomb in Bale of a somali saint. Be serious.

You said many Oromos became Muslim due to the help of Somalis which is NOT true whatsoever. Egyptians and Hararis converted Oromos into Islam, not Somalis.

And I never said I was Somali, I am an ethnic Oromo.

 

[Zkr]

I watched 30 minutes of it to see what lies the old guy kept on making and I was not disappointed. Truly delusional guy.

 

[Bazed]

At first I thought that he trolling until I saw him seriously trying claim Abiy as Somali

Abiy is clearly a somali plant, how else would you explain the current turmoil of Ethiopia. While they're playing checkers, we're playing chess.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Abiy is clearly a somali plant, how else would you explain the current turmoil of Ethiopia. While they're playing checkers, we're playing chess.

The modern state of Ethiopia reached its peak during Meles time in terms of might (military capabilities), stability (relatively speaking, but less ethnic tensions and better social cohesions) and economic growth.

Ever since his death, everything have been going down hill in Ethiopia and I can't see Ethiopia fully recover for decades to come, unless something radical happens. But one things for sure, Abiy and his entire government can only be characterized for their incompetency. They don't know how to rule the country.

Somalis/a need to take advantage of this gap for their advantage in whatever way possible, short- and long term.

 

[Bazed]

The modern state of Ethiopia reached its peak during Meles time in terms of might (military capabilities), stability (relatively speaking, but less ethnic tensions and better social cohesions) and economic growth.

Ever since his death, everything have been going down hill in Ethiopia and I can't see Ethiopia fully recover for decades to come, unless something radical happens. But one things for sure, Abiy and his entire government can only be characterized for their incompetency. They don't know how to rule the country.

Somalis/a need to take advantage of this gap for their advantage in whatever way possible, short- and long term.

Somalia should honestly spend the next 10 years in isolation. Fixing up institutions and building up. Ethiopia has always been a powder keg, too many ethnicity and too much hostility. The modern day Yugoslavia. Sooner or later one of the many armed ethnic groups will go too far. We need to build strong relations with the great powers, get them on our side. We can't go marching and fall for the same issue.

Personally I think we should build ourselves up as soon as possible. Even if Ethiopia doesn't fall due internal issues their ongoing tension with Eritrea and Egypt might cause something to happen. The horn is heating up.

 

[Step a side]

You said many Oromos became Muslim due to the help of Somalis which is NOT true whatsoever. Egyptians and Hararis converted Oromos into Islam, not Somalis.

And I never said I was Somali, I am an ethnic Oromo.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

The modern state of Ethiopia reached its peak during Meles time in terms of might (military capabilities), stability (relatively speaking, but less ethnic tensions and better social cohesions) and economic growth.

Ever since his death, everything have been going down hill in Ethiopia and I can't see Ethiopia fully recover for decades to come, unless something radical happens. But one things for sure, Abiy and his entire government can only be characterized for their incompetency. They don't know how to rule the country.

Somalis/a need to take advantage of this gap for their advantage in whatever way possible, short- and long term.

Ethiopia has not managed to institute peaceful transfers of power, or anything resembling it. It seems that power is always exchanged through war. The TPLF, disguised as EPRDF, did hand most civil power to Desalegn in 2012, but that was an exception. Look at Kenya, Tanzania, Nigeria etc.. and how ethnic groups are willing to share power and wait their turn. Ethiopia lacks this most basic requirement for stability.

It reminds me of Russia. Who knows what comes after Putin?

 

[galhareeri]

Ethiopia has not managed to institute peaceful transfers of power, or anything resembling it. It seems that power is always exchanged through war. The TPLF, disguised as EPRDF, did hand most civil power to Desalegn in 2012, but that was an exception. Look at Kenya, Tanzania, Nigeria etc.. and how ethnic groups are willing to share power and wait their turn. Ethiopia lacks this most basic requirement for stability.

It reminds me of Russia. Who knows what comes after Putin?

At least we somalis have chance imobfor stabiltiy in long run we have culture of transfer with exception of outliers like farmajo imo.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Ethiopia has not managed to institute peaceful transfers of power, or anything resembling it. It seems that power is always exchanged through war. The TPLF, disguised as EPRDF, did hand most civil power to Desalegn in 2012, but that was an exception. Look at Kenya, Tanzania, Nigeria etc.. and how ethnic groups are willing to share power and wait their turn. Ethiopia lacks this most basic requirement for stability.

It reminds me of Russia. Who knows what comes after Putin?

100%. It's not just limited to peaceful transfer of power, but on every part of the political sphere.

Most African countries with a diverse population have opted for a neutral/foreign language to create some semblance of a common identity. Meanwhile you've got Amharas (& ge'ez-lite speakers) who want to enforce their minority language on everyone in the name of Ethiopianism, while Oromos ironically are now in the process of replacing with their own language as the 'national language'. Although, TPLF allowed everyone to use their mother tongue in education during their time, they kept Amharic as the institutional language and basically status-quo was retained in the name of habesha-nimo.

As long as the elites of the main ethnic groups suffer from the destructive concept of superiority, the cycle of one ethnic dominance of government/state institutions will remain indefinite.

 

[Zarathustra]

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I was mostly referring to Hararghe Oromos but ok. Most Arsi Oromos aren't even Muslims anyways.

 

[Hilmaam]

100%. It's not just limited to peaceful transfer of power, but on every part of the political sphere.

Most African countries with a diverse population have opted for a neutral/foreign language to create some semblance of a common identity. Meanwhile you've got Amharas (& ge'ez-lite speakers) who want to enforce their minority language on everyone in the name of Ethiopianism, while Oromos ironically are now in the process of replacing with their own language as the 'national language'. Although, TPLF allowed everyone to use their mother tongue in education during their time, they kept Amharic as the institutional language and basically status-quo was retained in the name of habesha-nimo.

As long as the elites of the main ethnic groups suffer from the destructive concept of superiority, the cycle of one ethnic dominance of government/state institutions will remain indefinite.

That’s what’s happened in Europe as many states centralized like France Italy etc

 

[Aurelian]

Am pretty sure Dir majority have T halpogroup and the rest of Somali have v32

but the autosomal is similar to that of any other Somali.

 

[reer]

Ethiopia has not managed to institute peaceful transfers of power, or anything resembling it. It seems that power is always exchanged through war. The TPLF, disguised as EPRDF, did hand most civil power to Desalegn in 2012, but that was an exception. Look at Kenya, Tanzania, Nigeria etc.. and how ethnic groups are willing to share power and wait their turn. Ethiopia lacks this most basic requirement for stability.

It reminds me of Russia. Who knows what comes after Putin?

you have a point russia is too big for that to happen. the swahilis are different to ethiopia they are not countries that are prisons of nations/peoples (like ethiopia) so they can be more free. but ethiopia isnt a autocracy. if abiye leaves it will be the habesha establishment continuing ethiopia business as usual. you cannot have a "free democratic" ethiopia with its current borders.