Unification of Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea & Djibouti is a must

[IPushFatKids]

As I'm sure you all know, the East African Federation which is proposal for a political union of the East African Community members, is real, gaining steam and momentum & can absolutely see this being fully realized well inside the next 15 years.

Question is how will the Horn of Africa countries (Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea & Djibouti) respond to this potential powerhouse? Make no mistake, we would absolutely be economically handicapped against a sovereign EAF.

I'm convinced that a unification of all the countries of the horn will be in the best interests of everyone. One currency. One president. One people. This will permanently put an end to border disputes in the region, bring peace, give Ethiopia access to a vast coastline, Somalia will get access to food and huge labor force.

I am sure most Ethiopians would be open to the idea, at the same time mostly Somali's (esp from Somalia) will be against it -- despite potentially getting the most benefits from such a union.

At first it seems scary for a country with only 15mn population uniting with a country with 115mn people....but when you break it down things actually look favourably for Somali's.

Current demographics:
Oromo 34%
Amhara 27%
Somali 6%
Tigray 6%

Post union demographics:
Oromo 29.4%
Amhara 23.3%
Somali 18 %
Tigray 5.2%

After a union (including Djibouti) Somali population would be around 18-20%....which isn't bad. This will make Ethiopia a Muslim majority country as well.

Thoughts?

 

[Sky Geeljire]

If Ethiopia gives back Ogaden I am down. Yes even in Unification. They must first give it back formally, then we shake hands, dance & unify and forget about it.

Otherwise, I am only open to Eritrea and Djibouti for unification.

However I am destroying every French influence in Djibouti and reverting back to indigenous languages only. French and Arabic languages and other imported languages will be booted out of the new established country.

Deal?

 

[IPushFatKids]

If Ethiopia gives back Ogaden I am down. Yes even in Unification. They must first give it back formally, then we shake hands, dance & unify and forget about it.

Otherwise, I am only open to Eritrea and Djibouti for unification.

However I am destroying every French influence in Djibouti and reverting back to indigenous languages only. French and Arabic languages and other imported languages will be booted out of the new established country.

Deal?

what does “give back formally” mean if we are in a union? Remember I’m not talking about a confederation but a federation. Ogaden region will remain its own state, and additional Somali states will be added to the union, Puntland, Jubaland, Somaliland etc. I would prefer we were a single Somali state but doubt that will ever happen (for the same reason unification will never happen, we are just too politically backwards).

as for the eradication of all things French, totally in favor of that lol

 

[Bundasliga]

Somalia can't even unite amongst themselves let alone with other horners
The time of unification is over even ethiopa is falling apart .

 

[IPushFatKids]

Somalia can't even unite amongst themselves let alone with other horners
The time of unification is over even ethiopa is falling apart .

Obviously Somalia is not in a position to entertain such things right now but I’m just talking generally, what an ideal future political equilibrium in the Horn region would be.

Somalia will obviously have to be fully unified, stable with a functioning government as there’d probably have to be a referendum and such.

And let’s not turn this discussion on whether it’s possible or not (we all agree it’s a long shot) but whether it’s a good idea in the first place or potential challenges in realizing it.

 

[Bundasliga]

obviously Somalia is not in a position to entertain such things right now but I’m just talking generally, what an ideal future political equilibrium in the Horn region would be. Somalia will obviously have to be fully unified, stable with a functioning government as there’d probably have to be a referendum and such.

It's very unlikely, too much barriers.
Unlike bantus with swahili or middle eastern with Arabic, we all have different languages which makes everything complicated.

 

[Based]

I used to jokingly advocate for this this new unified country would be hell. Literal hell

 

[IPushFatKids]

It's very unlikely, too much barriers.
Unlike bantus with swahili or middle eastern with Arabic, we all have different languages which makes everything complicated.

This is a very good point. Language is biggest challenge by far. But some things to consider:

1. Not all members of EAF speak Swahili (Uganda, Burundi, Rwanda)
2. EU (although not a federation) seems to still work despite language barrier
3. Ethiopia in its current form already has huge language challenges. Barely 32% of the population speak Amharic (the working language of the government). A union won’t create new problems.

In the event of a union, switching the government (federal) working language from Amharic to English will be essential.

 

[IPushFatKids]

I used to jokingly advocate for this this new unified country would be hell. Literal hell

but we are already in hell?

 

[InaShaqalle]

As long as the people of each country approves this in a referendum and if this union initially comes about as a confederation, then I would be down with the whole Horn eventually becoming a single federation albeit with a Bosnia style collective presidency

Another idea I like very much is Djibouti, Somalia and Somaliland forming a three-state federation whereby Borama is the capital city of this federation

 

[SPMLegend]

there is only War and hate for Ethiopia until they give back the Ogaden region and withdraw their crusader forces occupying parts of southern Somalia.

 

[IPushFatKids]

As long as the people of each country approves this in a referendum and if this union initially comes about as a confederation, then I would be down with the whole Horn eventually becoming a single federation albeit with a Bosnia style collective presidency

Another idea I like very much is Djibouti, Somalia and Somaliland forming a three-state federation whereby Borama is the capital city of this federation

I think confederation as a first step may be the key baby step in realising a full union to test out the waters, as a confederation can be more easily dissolved.

But I don’t think there’s much in it for djibouti to give up its sovereignty to be just another state in Somalia. Ethiopia will need to be involved. Ethiopia & Somalia together could literally completely shut down Djibouti’s economy if they refused to join, but Somalia on its own doesn’t have any leverage.

 

[codewebsduh]

EU type of system would be great, we need to fight against the horde of bantus.

 

[sheed-dheer4ever]

Noocaan oo kala iska nool. our land is bigger than all of theirs combined and has more to offer and we are 100% the population. Only a xoolo hindhikaab would give that away to become a minority and let a gaal madow exploit his land and ocean.

 

[IPushFatKids]

Noocaan oo kala iska nool. our land is bigger than all of theirs combined and has more to offer and we are 100% the population. Only a xoolo hindhikaab would give that away to become a minority and let a gaal madow exploit his land and ocean.

Our land is not bigger than theirs (I do not include Ogaden region, makes no sense to in such a comparison). A big reason for a union is to get this region back together with the rest of Somalia, without any border crossings or restrictions.

A gaal madow? We’ll be a majority Cushitic and Muslim country.

We will be the 3rd largest ethnic group. If you add our population growth and the likely undercount that already exist we’ll take that #2 spot in no time. And besides, population after a certain point doesn’t really mean much, human capital is far more important in this day and age. Just look at the Tigrayans, who have a smaller population than the Somali’s in Ethiopia yet ruled the place for 30yrs and came to the brink of overthrowing their government.

 

[Aurelian]

my answer simply is

 

[Aurelian]

Our land is not bigger than theirs (I do not include Ogaden region, makes no sense to in such a comparison). A big reason for a union is to get this region back together with the rest of Somalia, without any border crossings or restrictions.

A gaal madow? We’ll be a majority Cushitic and Muslim country.

We will be the 3rd largest ethnic group. If you add our population growth and the likely undercount that already exist we’ll take that #2 spot in no time. And besides, population after a certain point doesn’t really mean much, human capital is far more important in this day and age. Just look at the Tigrayans, who have a smaller population than the Somali’s in Ethiopia yet ruled the place for 30yrs and came to the brink of overthrowing their government.

Dude thinks that we somalis have the problem and at the same time is missing a good huge big fat point which is amhara supremacy megalomania, they can't even unite themselves and except one can rule over another if the elections said so. Even @Bundasliga think we are the ones who can't bear each other

 

[GemState]

This would just be a bigger Ethiopia, not interested in being Abiy's genocide target when his polling numbers are down.

I am very interested in the EAF though.

 

[Ozark]

EU type of system would be great, we need to fight against the horde of bantus.

What horde of Bantus? There’s more Somalis that move to their countries than the other way around.

 

[IPushFatKids]

What horde of Bantus? There’s more Somalis that move to their countries than the other way around.

I would go further. I don’t think there’s any Bantu’s moving to Somalia. Even the Somali Bantus are fleeing Somalia to go back to their ancestral lands.