UN unsure on how to withdraw AMISOM from Somalia

[Farm]

In 2019 the P3 (France, the UK and the US) were supportive of the troop reduction suggested in a 2019 joint assessment by a combined AU-UN team. In line with the AU position, the A3 at that time (Côte d’Ivoire, Equatorial Guinea and South Africa) opposed any drawdown on the basis that Somalia was not ready to take over more security responsibilities at that juncture. Many who now oppose a drawdown say that it must be guided by the situation on the ground, which they regard as not currently conducive. Other Council members, such as China and Russia, have expressed support for A3/AU position, as they felt the views of the region should be respected. Several Council members did not hold strong views and were ready to support a unified Council position. Positions do not seem to have changed in the year that has passed.

 

[Yusuf M]

I believe Amisom and all foreign troops should leave Somalia and the international community should just leave Somalia to its own devices.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

So far Ethiopian non AMISOM in Somaloa maybe more than the entire AMISOM in Somalia.

 

[Farm]

I believe Amisom and all foreign troops should leave Somalia and the international community should just leave Somalia to its own devices.

What happens when Al Shabab captures villa Somalia though?

 

[merka]

AU doesn’t want to lose out on their cash cow. Sadly removal of funding will also mean that Villa Somalia won’t be eating good as well. Time is ticking on the colonial project.

 

[Ras]

Just buy them a one way ticket out.

 

[Fresh]

What happens when Al Shabab captures villa Somalia though?

That would be totally fucked up worst case situation. I can imagine what kind of headlines there would be worldwide

 

[Al-Burcaawi]

AS and FGS should just sign a peace treaty at this point like the Americans did with the Talibans. It's been almost 14 years, they'll never win this war. Plus in some cases they both work together so why not make it official?

 

[Adaawe]

KDF leaving?

 

[Yahya]

The UN need to mind their own business and stay out of our affairs. They lost credibility when they supported a warlord.

 

[Yahya]

AS and FGS should just sign a peace treaty at this point like the Americans did with the Talibans. It's been almost 14 years, they'll never win this war. Plus in some cases they both work together so why not make it official?

Never gonna happen. Most likely they will continue to get air striked to death and the inevitable reality will hit home for the profiteers that their cash cow is over with and that the government will be strong again.

Wait till december this year. If the arms embargo is lifted then we can get weapons directly from turkey and troop support. If not then all the companies can f*ck off and we can give their oil deals to scandinavian countries to spite them or the chinese and russians.

The US has a choice to make. Either it has somalia as an ally or it will lose out badly to China and Russia. I think the US have already made their choice tho, and if we have them on our side then it's israel all over again. We can do whatever we want at that point and use them for the time being.

 

[Murax]

First not sure how often you talk to Somalia but AMISOM does absolutely jack when it comes to the fighting. They sit back in heavilly fortified areas, and its actually Somalis who fight and die. UN which created AMISOM never wants them to leave. There is something called conflict of interest. UN is an organization that operates on the currency of crisis. They have no real vested interest in countries getting out of disarray and chaos because that is their sole alleged purpose!

They shake down the G20 nations in the guise of saving the world when in reality their objective is to squat in those countries, create the BS humanitarian positions, milk the money. Closely observe nations the UN has been heavilly involved in i.e Somalia, Congo, Haiti, South Sudan, so many others and you’ll notice they stay in turmoil in eternity.

The real goal with Somalia should be making powerful geo-strategic allies that free you to implement your style of Governance without worrying about ‘UN approval’. Israel breaks all kinds of UN bullshyt articles and tell UN to F off because they got US. Same with Saudi, UAE, Syria with Russia, N Korea with China, etc. Turkey has been a GREAT start, and the speed with which they have been building a Somali Army has forced countries like the US to step up their game, start beefing up Danab.

COVID19 has had a tremendous impact in that it has shown which countries are real emerging powers (Turkey, China) Vs declining ones (US, Europe). This was actually even been predicted in the ‘Class of civilizations’ book written in the ‘70s. Eastern nations will ascend.

 

[BenInHer]

Marehan/ogaden allowing amison to stay further giving them work.

Their stubbornness allows others too make a mockery out of somalia.

Ppl blame sl and pl, and hawiyes but yall are too blame in all honesty in holding somalia back.

Both vying for power in jubbaland while being somali and same clan, rather then be grateful, you ungrateful Hamars plot against one another making the region vulnerable, giving amison access. Some are even using the hutu to carry out their bidding, protecting them while they continue to plot and deceive one another.
Farmajo/madobe

 

[BenInHer]

Had youfound common ground , kenya wouldn't be littered all throughout the south.

 

[Misil]

So far Ethiopian non AMISOM in Somaloa maybe more than the entire AMISOM in Somalia.

This is very true. Within the last few months 7000 Ethiopian non amisom troops entered the country to add to their already existing high number. The south is fast becoming an Ethiopian colony.

 

[Abdisamad]

@Farm
If amisom withdraw who will feed their kids and wives?

 

[Murax]

Marehan/ogaden allowing amison to stay further giving them work.

Their stubbornness allows others too make a mockery out of somalia.

Ppl blame sl and pl, and hawiyes but yall are too blame in all honesty in holding somalia back.

Both vying for power in jubbaland while being somali and same clan, rather then be grateful, you ungrateful Hamars plot against one another making the region vulnerable, giving amison access. Some are even using the **** to carry out their bidding, protecting them while they continue to plot and deceive one another.
Farmajo/madobe

This is an inaccurate assertion, but I don’t blame you because 99% of qabil driven, intellectually lazy Diaspora Somalis characterize Jubbaland issue as Marexaan Vs Ogadeen. Farmaajo is a Somali President that happens to be Marexaan. Madoobe is Ogadeen. Farmaajo as the President refusing to recognize Madoobe automatically becomes a Marexaan warlord trying to capture Kismaayo.

In any event I assume you were speaking about KDF, ENDF but the post was about AMISIOM and they’re all over the south, not going anywhere

 

[bluebird]

What happens when Al Shabab captures villa Somalia though?

if it happens it happens. But relying on african soldiers for this long is just ridiculous.

 

[Removed]

Marehan/ogaden allowing amison to stay further giving them work.

Their stubbornness allows others too make a mockery out of somalia.

Ppl blame sl and pl, and hawiyes but yall are too blame in all honesty in holding somalia back.

Both vying for power in jubbaland while being somali and same clan, rather then be grateful, you ungrateful Hamars plot against one another making the region vulnerable, giving amison access. Some are even using the **** to carry out their bidding, protecting them while they continue to plot and deceive one another.
Farmajo/madobe

We are the foundation of the ICU and its stabilization of the south you brought Ethiopia and are currently the cause of why there are foreign troops at all. What is this guy talking about?

if it wasn’t for Ogaden Generals in Kenya there wouldn’t even be any Daroods left in the south? It was Morgan and Gabyow who they first supplied

This is an inaccurate assertion, but I don’t blame you because 99% of qabil driven, intellectually lazy Diaspora Somalis characterize Jubbaland issue as Marexaan Vs Ogadeen. Farmaajo is a Somali President that happens to be Marexaan. Madoobe is Ogadeen. Farmaajo as the President refusing to recognize Madoobe automatically becomes a Marexaan warlord trying to capture Kismaayo.

In any event I assume you were speaking about KDF, ENDF but the post was about AMISIOM and they’re all over the south, not going anywhere

It is MX vs OG they want Lower Juba and thats not happening

The only way to solve this is rotating presidencies in a Middle Jubba capital. There will never be a MX president in Kismayo like there will never be a Ogaden president in Bardheere atleast until the war is over.

 

[BenInHer]

This is an inaccurate assertion, but I don’t blame you because 99% of qabil driven, intellectually lazy Diaspora Somalis characterize Jubbaland issue as Marexaan Vs Ogadeen. Farmaajo is a Somali President that happens to be Marexaan. Madoobe is Ogadeen. Farmaajo as the President refusing to recognize Madoobe automatically becomes a Marexaan warlord trying to capture Kismaayo.

wat the fcck

In any event I assume you were speaking about KDF, ENDF but the post was about AMISIOM and they’re all over the south, not going anywhere

by not recognizing madoobe presence in the region, your essentially forcing his hand. thus allowing him too seek aid from foreigners in this case kenya, who'd gladly back either sides. you essentially turned kismaayo and jubalaand into a bufferzone, giving kenya probable cause and a greenlight. too counter this, what does farmaajo do?, he brings in eithopian troops, because a country far away told him not too involve sna.

now both kenya/eithopia got footing aswell as pawns too do their bidding.
winner/loser is not important so long as the amonisty between the pawn grow.


the port you allowed the same h.utu, your ancestors looked down on too protect you from yourselves, while at the same time profitting the most from it, fueling their economy.


like i said marehan/ogaden main cause in fueling amison in somalia.