Turkish-Egyptian War?

[AbdiGeedi]

Egyptian military convoys, carrying tanks, are confirmed to be moving towards the Libyan border. Turkey is dispatching a number of submarines to the Libyan coast. The GNA is having hard time capturing Sirte due to the betrayal of one of its own leaders that allowed for the LNA to regroup. The GNA captured 12 towns in the southwest though. There are twits that the GNA are fighting the Russians in Sirte.

Wow the shit is about to blow up. If Egypt is not bluffing, we will witness the real combat between two major armies and see who has better tactical training and modern weapons.

Egyptian Army moves:

Turkish submarines and tanks:



The cities captured today by the GNA:

The LNA mole inside the GNA ranks:

Presidential Council member under fire for his call to halt GNA's Sirte attack

Social media pages have seen bitter criticism and anger over news about the interference of the member of the Presidential Council of the Government of National Accord (GNA) Ahmed Mitig who called for halting Sirte attack, saying it is a red line for Russia.

www.libyaobserver.ly

 

[Ayubi]

It's about to go down

 

[Marshall D Abdi]

Insha allah we somali ppl will join our abo erdogan n help liberate libya ummah comes first

 

[HanWER]

What reason for this??
Someone explain

 

[AbdiGeedi]

Who knows maybe Erdogan is baiting el-Sisi to draw him out and give him spanking for ousting Morsi. Ethiopia will be happy if Egypt gets bogged down in Libya and away from the Great Habashi Dam.

Egypt can't handle its own Sinai. I wonder if they are bluffing and will just reinforce their border towns.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

What reason for this??
Someone explain

Egypt and France are trying to save Haftar. The US will help them if Haftar expels the Russians from East Libya which is highly unlikely to happen. Haftar doesn't control the narrative anymore. Russia is sending more jet fighters to Libya as we speak.

 

[kickz]

Egypt is only trying to make sure Haftar doesn't lose anymore territory, they are no match for Turkey

 

[AbdiGeedi]

Egypt is only trying to make sure Haftar doesn't lose anymore territory, they are no match for Turkey

Egypt realizes that Haftar is no longer the man for the job. The loser was given tonnes of weapons, thousands of mercenaries and still could not win Tripoli city in his year long offensive. That's why Haftar was humiliated in Cairo by being cut down to the level of Aquila Saleh.

I think the real reason for Egypt to invade Libya would be two-pronged:

1. To prevent Muslim Brotherhood from blossoming in the East Libya.
2. To deny access to the oil-fields in the south-east of Libya to the GNA.

The GNA has already started pumping oil from the largest Libyan oil field.

In another news, despite heavy bombardment by the Russian jets, the GNA managed to capture two districts in Sirte, This town is of a strategic value and considered a gateway to the East Libya.

Libyan Army liberates two districts in Sirte

Army launched Path of Victory operation Saturday to capture Sirte, Jufra from Haftar's forces - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[repo]

So will Egypt fight in the Sinai, Libya and Ethiopia?

 

[AbdiGeedi]

So will Egypt fight in the Sinai, Libya and Ethiopia?

It is highly likely Egypt will try to avoid direct confrontation with Turkey in Libya. Egyptian army is keenly aware that the incursion could quickly turn into quagmire for them. I am not sure about Erdogan though. He might be escalating the East Libya theatre to draw the Egyptian army out into the open and engage them.

Egypt is getting bailed out by the IMF for post-covid-19 recovery. The IMF help is usually based on meeting certain preconditions. I am not sure if Egypt can afford a new war. Unlike Turkey, Egypt doesn't have its own viable defense industry. Every shell fired will come at a cost to Egypt.

One upside might be that Egypt attacks the Habashi Dam and claims it wasn't them since they are at war in Libya. In any case, very few countries have bunker-busting bombs. I don't think Egypt has them. The conventional ordnance won't do much damage to the dam in one strike.

An interesting prospective from Egypt:

The reasons Egypt did not react to Turkey’s intervention in Libya | Mohamed Abul Fadhl | AW

On Friday, Speaker of the Libyan Parliament, Aguila Saleh, was in Cairo meeting with Egyptian officials, just two days following Libyan National Army Commander Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar’s visit to Cairo, and just hours following the LNA’s statement confirming its withdrawal from the vicinity...

thearabweekly.com

 

[repo]

It is highly likely Egypt will try to avoid direct confrontation with Turkey in Libya. Egyptian army is keenly aware that the incursion could quickly turn into quagmire for them. I am not sure about Erdogan though. He might be escalating the East Libya theatre to draw the Egyptian army out into the open and engage them.

Egypt is getting bailed out by the IMF for post-covid-19 recovery. The IMF help is usually based on meeting certain preconditions. I am not sure if Egypt can afford a new war. Unlike Turkey, Egypt doesn't have its own viable defense industry. Every shell fired will come at a cost to Egypt.

One upside might be that Egypt attacks the Habashi Dam and claims it wasn't them since they are at war in Libya. In any case, very few countries have bunker-busting bombs. I don't think Egypt has them. The conventional ordnance won't do much damage to the dam in one strike.

An interesting prospective from Egypt:

The reasons Egypt did not react to Turkey’s intervention in Libya | Mohamed Abul Fadhl | AW

On Friday, Speaker of the Libyan Parliament, Aguila Saleh, was in Cairo meeting with Egyptian officials, just two days following Libyan National Army Commander Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar’s visit to Cairo, and just hours following the LNA’s statement confirming its withdrawal from the vicinity...

thearabweekly.com

So to sum it up this a morale boost for Haftar right?

 

[Marquis]

So will Egypt fight in the Sinai, Libya and Ethiopia?

Egypt are so fucked. It's amazing how a country who should be a major regional power is flopping so badly. They went from the undisputed leaders of the Arab World to getting their card pulled by Xabashi's and being humiliated constantly in the Sinai

 

[AbdiGeedi]

So to sum it up this a morale boost for Haftar right?

Yep, Egypt is trying to save what is left of Haftar or more precisely the Eastern factions and tribal militia. Haftar himself is irrelevant at this point. The African mercenaries will fade away slowly as it looks like the UAE is stepping aside to not piss off the US any more that it already has. So, no money is coming to pay mercenaries.

 

[Ayubi]

Yep, Egypt is trying to save what is left of Haftar or more precisely the Eastern factions and tribal militia. Haftar himself is irrelevant at this point. The African mercenaries will fade away as it looks like the UAE is stepping aside to not piss off the US any more that it already has.

If they don't save Haftar, you think this can cause problems at their doorstep?

 

[AbdiGeedi]

If they don't save Haftar, you think this can cause problems at their doorstep?

It will bolster the Muslim Brotherhood political movement in Egypt. A scenario the US and Israel do not want to deal with again. El-Sisi is a puppet who was literally installed by them to safeguard Israel's security.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

Don't you think the UN resolutions and embargos are a joke?

There is a UN arms embargo on Libya in effect since 2011. It was unanimously extended again a couple of days ago by the Security Council (SC). France, Russia and the US are the permanent members of the SC, the very countries that break the embargo.

Few days ago, the Turkish cargo ship delivered tanks, howitzers and other heavy arms to Libya in the waters patrolled by the French, Italian and Greek NAVYs. I am not even mentioning the US 6th Fleet based out of Naples, Italy. Nobody stopped the Turkish military cargo since it was accompanied by the Turkish frigates.

What is the use of the embargos? It is survival of the fittest.

Turkey could have easily provided heavy weapons to Somalia if it really wanted. Nobody would stop them or make a big deal out of it.

UN extends arms embargo on Libya

Measure unanimously approved by Security Council in video-conference meeting - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[HanWER]

Egypt is the fourth country prophecised to be destroyed exactly like Syria, yemen and Iraq

And it will be the worst so its coming

 

[AbdiGeedi]

The Libyan war has two distinct aspects:

1. Open terrain. The country is mostly desert.
2. Population is not spread out but concentrated in cities.

1. For an open terrain attacks, self-propelled howitzers seem to be a better option as they hit from far away with great accuracy for unguided projectiles. They are a great way to soften targets before an assault. The Turkish domestically produced Firtina T-155 howitzers that are being delivered to Libya at the moment weigh around 50 tonnes each , use 155 mm shells with shooting distance of 40 km and 17.5 meter deviation accuracy.

However, tanks are a great weapon when the enemy needs to be overwhelmed in a speedy manner. They can overrun enemy defense lines. That's their main advantage in today's battlefields, otherwise tanks are sitting ducks. So, coordination and tactical skills are very important when using tanks.

Howitzers, tanks and drones can be a deadly combination. Turkey can also deploy its Bora ballistic rockets in the west Libya and hit with precision accuracy any target in the East. Each rocket carries 450 kg of explosives. Imagine half a tonn of TNT exploding next to you. And ballistic rockets are hard to shoot down for air defense systems.

Turkey has also developed its own Gezgin cruise missile which is equivalent to the American Tomahawk cruise missile. The US does not sell them to any country except the UK. The Turks managed to design and produce an improved version of the Tomahawk for its own army.

All these weapons and many others are locally manufactured by Turkey.

2. Turkey has an extensive experience in urban warfare ever since the Turkish army cleared out the PKK terrorists from its cities in the south east. Their skills were sharpened in Syria, especially in its Idlib operation where they wiped out Hezbollah Shia fighters.

All in all, Egypt is walking into a trap if it goes openly against Turkey in Libya. The Turkish drones will take out those Egyptian tanks like chess pieces just like they have done in Syria to the Assad forces.

Turkish drones in action against tanks in Syria:


Turkish Bora ballistic missile:


Turkish Gezgin cruise missile :


Turkish Firtina howitzer:

 

[AbdiGeedi]

On Aljazeera channel one of the Arab experts said:

"Egypt does not have good record in terms of military victories, actually no victories in this century and the last one. It's almost zero whether counter-insurgency or conventional warfare. So, there is an issue there that needs to be highlighted."

It made me think that there is a possibility that Erdogan really wants Egypt to get involved in Libya militarily to expose the rift between the ordinary Egyptians and the ruling military elite headed by el-Sisi. A humiliating defeat in Libya would sent el-Sisi facing domestic uprising.

Look at how Erdogan weakened MBS in Saudi Arabia and internationally, how he whipped a tough-talking general, Haftar, into defeat and humiliation. As a side effect, the Turks will get to test out their new weapons on these sand niggas and get the best advertisement for their defense industry.

@21:12 mark:

 

[Yahya]

Again why is the arms embargo in place if other countries can break it for oil concessions?

Why does the morally corrupt west get to dictate to other countries how they defend their land from invasion?

So basically everyone is allowed to arm dictators under the table as long as it's to spite other superpowers. Just shows you how these gaalo only benefit from division. In the 21st century with modern weapons capable of checkmating them, they can and will only use division to destroy a country that is on equal footing to them, hence the failed coup in turkey.

Now somalis even if we were a militarily powerful state, do you realise how division will easily destroy us?

Gaalo satanic leaders are cowards. May they rot in hell together.