Trump Puts Australia Back Of Line

[DR OSMAN]

Ambassador switch shows Australia is a second-class ally under Donald Trump, Kevin Rudd says
7.30
By Andrew Dickson
Updated yesterday at 4:54pm

Media player: "Space" to play, "M" to mute, "left" and "right" to seek.










VIDEO: Kevin Rudd criticises US ambassador switch (ABC News)
RELATED STORY: Trump to send incoming ambassador to Australia to South Korea instead
RELATED STORY: Donald Trump names pick for US ambassador to Australia
RELATED STORY: US Admiral 'flattered' to be considered as America's next ambassador to Australia
Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has slammed the United States' decision to withdraw its nominated ambassador to Australia.

The Trump administration plans to overturn its nomination of Admiral Harry Harris as the next United States ambassador to Australia, putting him forward as envoy to South Korea instead ahead of Donald Trump's planned meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

"(It) basically says Australia, from President Trump's perspective, is a second-class ally," Mr Rudd told 7.30.

Danger Trump 'taking Australia for granted'
PHOTO: Donald Trump is expected to meet Kim Jong-un some time this year. (Reuters, Kevin Lamarque)


Mr Rudd said he understood the reasoning behind the decision, given the strategic importance of the Trump-Kim meeting, but said he believed it was indicative of the view of Australia within the Trump administration.

"All Australians expect any administration in the United States to take our alliance seriously," he said.

"So to chop and change at the last minute like this and take a good candidate, Admiral Harry Harris, and take him from our grasp and send him to Seoul is, I think, a bad signal to the wider public community in Australia about the importance which this Trump administration attaches to Australia."

"There is a danger that the Trump administration begins to take Australia for granted."

Trump has 'not treated Australia particularly well'
PHOTO: Malcolm Turnbull with Admiral Harry Harris during his visit to Pearl Harbour in 2016. (AAP: Supplied)


The position of US ambassador to Australia has been vacant for more than 18 months, since John Berry left in 2016.

Publicly there has been no expression of concern from Canberra about the delay in appointing a new ambassador.

But Mr Rudd said the vacancy in such a strategically important position had ramifications for Australia.

"The virtue of ambassadors in both capitals is that they can quickly, immediately and authoritatively get through to the head of each government or administration," he said.

"If I was in Prime Minister Turnbull's office right at the moment, I think it would be full of colourful and rich language.

"The President of the United States has, so far, not treated Australia particularly well."

Harris appointment 'will not be welcomed by the Chinese'
PHOTO: Admiral Harry Harris will now be an envoy to South Korea. (Reuters: Yuri Gripas)


While Mr Rudd acknowledged Admiral Harris's abilities, he said the appointment would not be welcomed by all parties with an interest in the Korean peninsula.

"I think I can say fairly safely that the appointment of Admiral Harris to Seoul will not be welcomed by the Chinese, because the Chinese have dealt with Admiral Harris in PACOM (US Pacific Command) and have regarded him as upfront and in your face," he said.

"That's not necessarily a bad thing in itself, I'm simply describing the reality."

Earlier today Foreign Minister Julie Bishop played down the news.

"While we would have welcomed Admiral Harris here as ambassador to Australia, we understand that there are significant challenges for the United States on the Korean peninsula," Ms Bishop said.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The franchise over there in japan and south korea are far bigger pools of resources lol. Japan like 5 trillion economy and south korea 1 trillion. 6 trillion right there in the pool, Australia has to go the back of the line, I am not sure why their complaining about it. It's only natural, same shit is gonna happen to the UK just watch them when EU interest is on the table, their going BACK OF THE LINE.

Their seems to be an order happening there. It's a shame what happened to Japan, their killing themselves as they drop in importance due to their horrendous immigration policies, they were second largest economy in the world and now playing around 5th and it's GOING down further and further as it can't replace people to keep it's economy going down.

If Australia keeps up it's policy to grow it's population, it's inevitable it takes japan role and becomes the most important ally in asia to america but that's a long time away. India is there though but their not really dont speak same tongue of freedom, it's not real democracy at all so russia or china can manipulate someone there to keep power as the ppl dont unite on shared values.


It's highly probable India becomes a proxy state between powers fighting for it in the future, there is no shared values so it could go anyway.

Look wat they did to south korean prime minister, thats VALUES supercedes all their differences.

 

[Blade1]

The new world power is based on manual labour now so the bigger the population the more powerful the country. Us somalis dont necessarily need people though since we have lots of resources. Only Europe east asian no resources need people

 

[Buraanbur911]

Australia sucks Donalds ass yet they don't rate them smh. No wonder he hanged up on MR malcom Turmball

 

[Yaquub]

The new world power is based on manual labour now so the bigger the population the more powerful the country. Us somalis dont necessarily need people though since we have lots of resources. Only Europe east asian no resources need people

We don't have more resources than europe my friend.

 

[Active asylum]

The new world power is based on manual labour now so the bigger the population the more powerful the country. Us somalis dont necessarily need people though since we have lots of resources. Only Europe east asian no resources need people

barely any manual labour left. its all electronic/mechanical

 

[DR OSMAN]

Problem with Australia is they are more about culture and see America and Europe as cultural back-drops. America works on values alliances not on culture. It's most important partner will be Japan there, without a shadow of a doubt and their priorities will always supercede those of Australia. The next in line is South Korea and then maybe Australia.

You see when the shit hits the fan, Japan and South Korea will go to war and die with Donny cause both their governments have been mandated to protect freedom, their people can see eye to eye on a shared goal that unites them. They won't break down inside themselves on tribe, race, political views, religion, etc because this supercedes it for them.

Where-as that isn't possible with say someone like India, sure it has democracy as a system but the values hasn't been adopted by the people at a grass root level, so if you go to war and have this guy behind you, his ranks may collapse and is fragile because there really isn't nothing among that is shared at all that supersedes their differences. It's possible if you were going to war and had india on your team and know your secrets, they would be susceptible to bribes and stuff and their leaders can switch any time or it can be broken up using their REAL values which is damn ethnic or tribal to break up it's ranks from within.

It's not a reliable partner in the long-term, that guy can go anyway and all depends as no-one can predict the future.

The west honestly has two types alliances. One which is about business and security interests things which are mutually beneficial between nations which non-democratic or fake democratic countries fall under, they will throw you under a bus when their nothing left to discuss. Then their real alliance those of similar values, those are the ones who will die by their side with a common cause that supercedes all their differences.

Yes they will have economic and security interests at national level but when shit hits the fan they come as 1 to defend their shared values, kinda similar to the caliphate as we all had different regional interests but we all came as 1 to defend Islam. It's like that, it's something commonly shared between them and it's the cry of freedom which is damn true. Where-as say the arabs they only friends with them for business or security not values. How can they be as one protects his mansions and gold and the other wanna protect freedom and an ideal mandated by his people. They can only be friends on shared matters such as security and business not politics. Africa basically falls into this category also it's mutual matters because it's not real democracies but paper based ones and their differences within supercedes anything called freedom.

I would say the real alliance of the west is europe-america-japan-south korea-australia-canada-new zealand, the rest e world are business, regional, or security ties or something that is shared between them they can't escape but it ain't idealogical that's for certain. If you guys are so desperate to jump onto the western band-wagon be prepared to adopt their VALUES not their systems only and they can see if your REAL by watching your behaviors, if they don't see you come out protecting another tribe freedom, they will dismiss you and put you in a second category temporary alliances who they will talk on security, economic, regional, etc nothing else and once that interest is gone they will throw you under a bus like they did with SHAH of Iran who died looking at a toilet and a great number of his family members were drugged out and suicided in many european and american cities.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I honestly think what is best for Somalia is a neutral position in africa and the world. I think Oman is best model for us internally and externally, when things change externally we will adapt to either side and ask for neutrality and to be respected as we are not a factor and can continue growing. Once you join a gang, the dynamics can change and it puts your life and future at risk. Plus they waste heaps of money just protecting their alliances even when there is no war.

The order of the world can change and if you were on the wrong side, you gonna pay for it but if your neutral you won't and are safe regardless who the winner turns out to be. Oman should be our model not the west or east or africa or anything else. We shouldn't be looking at what's the best flavor today because that flavor can change in a heart-beat with 11 trillion china and Russia and Mid-east alliance forming which is 4-5 trillion, plus you got an india that is manipulated because it has no real values system but democracy on paper and could quickly switch if sees the other side is stronger since it aint about principles for them cause their is NONE or else their people would protect EVEN those they hate freedom which they don't clearly and god knows what else is gonna pop up in the future.

Right now it's west-japs-south koreans-australians-canada-europe. They own about pretty much everything in the world but once nationalism is injected and they start breaking away from each other and it becomes every man for himself, the world can change and it can change quick smart and hurt you because you were so stupid to choose sides in a landscape that anything can happen.

Chinese Russians have a long way to go to challenge the alliance in terms of strength but if they break them up while building new alliances around the world who actually DEVELOP and make a GDP that is big, that means more taxes can be contributed to their military pools. The places haven't developed yet is where you need to see and how much can they develop in good scenario based on what they have and factoring what they do with their money once they get it and if it can grow.

Chinese and Russians can only win by establishing new alliances in south america-africa-asia the poorer countries but they need to make sure those regions actually develop fast and increase their wealth as that is needed for military alliance MORE MONEY. If they do that while injecting nationalism into the freedom alliance and make them independent states, that's even better. A critical thing is to rise up nationalism so nations in the alliance start despising each other and look out for their own interests that is the best scenario but it's gonna be difficult as these nations have solid untouchable principles regardless who comes to power, they don't mess around with this. Everything else they do like their economic and security interests.

 

[Blade1]

We don't have more resources than europe my friend.

Yes we do we have uranium petroleum oil livestock fish the highest sun and wind energy potential in the world south lands can produce so much food and much more daffuq Europe natural resources potatoes

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yes we do we have uranium petroleum oil livestock fish the highest sun and wind energy potential in the world south lands can produce so much food and much more daffuq Europe natural resources potatoes

I don't know if this dig the earth and sell to the world is the best idea, because so many countries are doing this, I am not sure what makes yours stand out from the pack. Joining a rat race isn't the best economic development, it's a slow development a very slow one your in a market constantly full of competitors globally.

I think what we should be doing is focusing on inside, setting banks, giving loans, having them set up farms and start providing the food locally, hire workers, they then start accumulate savings and purchase goods and services then some other guy takes another loan and see consumers and respond and creates another service. We should be build from the inside and then once we have consumers and their growing, we will start to see continental and global companies come and serve those consumers, we can then start looking at ways to export and keep that a lesser thing.

 

[Yaquub]

Yes we do we have uranium petroleum oil livestock fish the highest sun and wind energy potential in the world south lands can produce so much food and much more daffuq Europe natural resources potatoes

I highly suggest you read up on each individual European country's resources and take into account that Europe's land mass combined yields a higher potential than Somalia's 637,000 km2 area all together.

P.S you also missed out somalia's silver,iron ore,gold and copper resources that the italians were going to help mine before siad barre fucked up.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I highly suggest you read up on each individual European country's resources and take into account that Europe's land mass combined yields a higher potential than Somalia's 637,000 km2 area all together.

P.S you also missed out somalia's silver,iron ore,gold and copper resources that the italians were going to help mine before siad barre fucked up.

I think the biggest business of the west is how they captured minds, I mean are you serious we can't even dig the ground now without some westerner? We need to forget the world, they aint coming and when will somalia get the message? See that's why I say I dont stick around where I don't see results, you guys will happily sit there for another century waiting for something that isnt coming when you could've just said keep answers locally and nothing but locally, at least its a new route then the dead track of waiting.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Hey I need help to shit, I am not sure how to please call me a westerner!!!

 

[DR OSMAN]

I think you guys need to know how money works. If u have 2 billion sitting in remittance, if you store that into accounts and charge a fee or whatever for holding it, not only are u making money of the fee but you have access to their capital which u can sub-divide into loans and or whatever and those who participate in loans get a better rate back while those who don't get nothing.

So u loan one business guy, he creates something creates jobs plus pays back your loan and any fee u added for profit, u loan someone else and it just repeats itself into a quantum loop of growth. You will eventually see that 2 billion turn into 10 billion and it just keeps going and going.

That's how u build economies from the ground up. You want as many people taking loans especially SAFE customers and u set up some mechanism to ensure they will pay back by getting them to sign over something worth as much as the loan as security plus you bulletproof if the idea is feasible, if you lose money and they don't pay back just put him on some list of the govt he cant ever get a loan anywhere cause he will hurt the country if those sorts of people start piling up in the system.

Once that happens there is more activity happening and thats good for govt as it gets a slice of any activitiy and it starts to work on the side ensuring the land is set up to operate the easiest way. But I think our meal ticket will be once we translate university texts into our language and teach, we will have expanded our student pool to millions and there is bound to be a few geniuses come out for our benefit. The key however is to expand that pool and have as many accessing and understanding what their learning and language is a key factor.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We should really put in high taxes for anyone bringing stuff from overseas that they find it beneficial just to do it locally, we shouldnt be joining these free trade zones we should only go there when we have exhausted the internal stuff. We should tell our business-men u wanna sell here, make it here and create jobs for the people because those people will then spend internally and create other sectors. Free trade is good for those large economies they exhausted the inside and have no choice but to searching new markets and that means they open their doors also. We dont get any benefit by going free trade, it's not like their coming to us anyways so why take the little we have over there? keep it inside till the we are large enough and then start allowing to go outside. We lack common sense leaders who just watch what other leaders do in the world, they are not in the same sitution as you so you cant take any lessons on what their doing. Those large economies have it a sealing basically, to create more jobs they need source new consumers and that means u open your market too, that's all that free trade stuff is. It's for the big boys not the little guy at all. I mean we been addicted to the outside for how long now? what is there to show for it in terms of gdp growth? not much at all, sticking to this dead road isnt going to give a different answer

 

[Blade1]

I highly suggest you read up on each individual European country's resources and take into account that Europe's land mass combined yields a higher potential than Somalia's 637,000 km2 area all together.

P.S you also missed out somalia's silver,iron ore,gold and copper resources that the italians were going to help mine before siad barre fucked up.

Yeah Europe together yes but each country alone not really. But don't worry we dont need the Italians we might as well do it ourselves one day inshallah and get all the profits ourself if we work hard