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Traditional men's clothing
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cunug3aad
3rdchild · Aw geelale
Wallaahi Someone needs to tell me more about the different somali duubis and how to look for it and its gonna be you now
balanbalis
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Hey hey hey, I just like nice pictures, the details are mainly lost on me
But I can try break down the differences I do notice
There are three main pattern styles
1) Plain Cotton (The classic and most common)
2) Dyed (Typically a pattern including the shade red, the drippy version)
3) Trimmed edges (Very rare style)
There are 3 main wrapping styles
1) The basic wrap, there's not much I can say. All tucked in
2) Some times a tiny bit hangs out
3) Sometimes if the cloth is very long, its made to hang on the shoulder
4) Or just left hanging at the back
balanbalis
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Accessories for the Duub
1) I've only seen feathers being used
1) I've only seen feathers being used
cunug3aad
3rdchild · Aw geelale
Jzk allhHey hey hey, I just like nice pictures, the details are mainly lost on me
But I can try break down the differences I do notice
There are three main pattern styles
1) Plain Cotton (The classic and most common)
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2) Dyed (Typically a pattern including the shade red, the drippy version)
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3) Trimmed edges (Very rare style)
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There are 3 main wrapping styles
1) The basic wrap, there's not much I can say. All tucked in
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2) Some times a tiny bit hangs out
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3) Sometimes if the cloth is very long, its made to hang on the shoulder
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4) Or just left hanging at the back
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balanbalis
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Those clothings were worn by tribal leaders, people in the cities, and such, but the typical pastoralist wore this:
Typical Somali woman:
Typical Somali woman:
balanbalis
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For common women the fashion switched from Guuntino to kurdad iyo googorad (which eventually became Dirac bacweyn)
For common men the go’ huwasho became shaadh iyo macawiis. The cotton white duub was popular since it protected the scalp. This was replaced with the koofiyad
cunug3aad
3rdchild · Aw geelale
Adapting this to the modern day you would obviously want to use drippier clothing, china didn't mould their cultural drip off rice farmers
But the white cloth is kinda hard Should be adapted into shirt form, somewhat like a blouse but with more flowy shapes and emphasising the built form
I think there is potential to incorporate this into our traditional clothing but all nations make their traditional costumes based on what the rich wore, not the poor. That is why many cultural revival projects start with what the upper class wore.
Baklava is a good example. At one point, it was only for the wealthy. Today, it is the most well known sweet from Turkey and a staple part of their culinary heritage. We all are drawn to the glamour of the past.
Someone needs to make a stitched macwiis or one with a belt. I have never worn one but how do they not fall off?
The one in the 1st photo looks like sadeex qayd. I think there could be a way to make this easier to wear.
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I'm just doing an anthropological post, not trying to recreate it. But the clothing for men who did pastoralism is probably the most enduring. You found it across the broader "Barbaria."
The jouke can't be more than the medieval age. It has history among us so it is definitely traditional, although you would have found similar styles across northeast Africa during that temporal period, for example, among the Sudanese.
The macawiis is not traditional whatsoever. That shit came pretty recently and it is the equivalent what jeans is to America.
I disagree with balabalis on the gogarad. That existed since at least the early Islamic period in the coastal and city regions. Women had more variability than only the guntiino. But the typical dirac probably came around the same time as the macawiis. But Somali women clothing is an amalgamation of clothing tapestry rather than a narrow one thing replacing the other. It became more of a phenomenological amalgamation that phased together.
You would see this for many centuries back in the coastal regions. Guntiino is the equivalent to the male clothing I showed.
The shirt for men came during colonialism, where Somalis (in Somaliland) imported textiles from America.
Somalis had long trade with the broader world since ancient times that would reflect on the clothing. But the typical clothing I showed would probably not go back over 3000 years for us.
Also, I would not say it is the equivalent of the average rice farmer at all. Roman senators wore something similar, we just had it more ubiquitous. Our clothing did not reflect class because the majority were elites. A wealthy agro-pastoralist-trader would dress like that, as the guy who barely had any livestock or other forms of wealth. Rice farming in the Confucian system was respected but low class. In Somali culture, we had a pastoralist ideology as a cultural archetype, despite our living ways being complex, these are things we acquired from our ancestors in Nubia. The cultural and social capital lied in the pastoralist and tribal pedigree.
We can't even be compared to these agrarian civilizations because we developed a completely different socio-political paradigm. The socio-economic organization of Somalis was very distinct and the social value of herding was also the channel for elite expression (the wealthiest man had massive livestock). Meaning, there is nothing in China or Europe that could be compared and measured against it. A pastoralist can at best be compared to the feudalist land owner, not the peasant himself. If you don't know the history of northeast Asians, peasants were almost slave-like. They were exploited by the elites, they could not accumulate wealth. A Somali pastoralist is like a landlord, not the peasant, although even that is not equivalent, since Somalis were agro-pastoralist-traders. The economic activity was unique and not feudalistic like the Ethiopian highlands, where the royals taxed the peasants heavily while not being able to expand wealth.
A lot of people have a very wrong view about the history of Somalis and how the society functioned, how wealth was seen, how the social, political and traditional tribal forces related. It's so distinct from China that trying to set a class-based value judgment of low-class agrarian metric symbolic clothing or subsistence towards pastoralists in Somali society by relating to slave-like feudalist peasants that own nothing is frankly ignorant. No offence to that but I have seen it before and it could not be further from the truth.
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The alchemist
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I have never worn a macwiis, so not the right guy to ask, love.
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Please read what I wrote as a response to unug3aad.
I agree the jouke is more fitting, but this rich and elite stratification based on clothing symbolism and agrarian-derived class compartmentalization is off, although there was a correlation, because of complex reasons relating to trade and urbanism, meaning that people on the coastal regions just wore different variations of clothing because that was more fitting for them but they would change to the clothing you see above if they went to their tuulo to check on their livestock wealth and/or family wealth and clan related topics. I'm pretty sure @Shimbiris can chime in on this. Things were more flexible, and people did not have those value judgments attached to the clothing above. That is a modern re-interpretation of how extant Somalis see things from the past, being quite removed from those times and frankly the culture due to things changing and Western influence.
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cunug3aad
3rdchild · Aw geelale
You tie it like a towel its actually really secure
Also the fabric on the macawiis is too thin if i wear a belt its gonna show my curves
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The common Somali would wear white wrapped clothing, I think this was a common wardrobe of Northeast Africans from Sudan to Somalia, you see older sketches and images of Ethiopians and Sudanis wearing similar clothes.
