Tigray elite want to secede

[Yahya]

Seems like a very armed region with qabilist elites is gearing up for a civil war if abiy wins the election again.

Who knew tigray and amhara couldn't handle seeing successful oromos being emboldened. The former slaves now the masters. This must be how rednecks felt after obama.

May allah help ethiopia, because i won't be praying for them this ramadan.

In-depth Analysis: Towards Tigray Statehood? - Addis Standard

Debretsion G/Michael, President of Tigray Regional state, greeting a crowd of hundreds of thousands during the 45th founding anniversary of TPLF in Mekelle on February 11, 2020. Kjetil Tronvoll @KjetilTronvoll Addis Abeba, May 14/2020 - The postponement of the elections and Prime Minister Abiy...

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[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Ethiopia Balkanization

 

[Pipit]

@xabashi

 

[kickz]

TPLF terrorists becoming slaves in a country they used to rule

 

[xabashi]

This is all hot air nothing substantive behind. No, Tigrean elites would not go the independence route knowing very well this is the most stupid decision they made. Look, if Tigray secedes tomorrow it will have almost zero effect on Ethiopia but the effects on Tigray will be huge in political, social, security and economic terms. Tigray society will be torn apart since there is no consensus among Tigreans on this matter. A huge chunk of the society see themselves as pure Ethiopians and will fight to stay within Ethiopia. Both the elites and the society will be divided which will open the door for other external forces (mainly Ethiopia and Eritrea) to influence Tigray internal matters. Economically it is simply suicidal since Tigray is heavily dependent on Ethiopia and doing business with Ethiopia in hard currency is equal to a death sentence.

There is also another sever issue and that is the border dispute Tigray has both with Eritrea and the Amhara region. In fact the border dispute with Amhara region will overnight turn into a dispute between two countries Tigray and Ethiopia. Tigray then has two face both Eritrea and Ethiopia. That is all crazy. No wonder one of the most influential and top TPLF leaders recently compared the idea of independence like jumping into fire. Believe me even if the federal government tomorrow declares war on Tigray, I don't think TPLF goes the independence rule.

You have to try to understand why TPLF and some tigrean elites is playing with this idea. Most Ethiopians know their mentality and very well understand they don't mean it really. All this crap talk has only one aim. They want to send a message to Ethiopians that Ethiopia is disintegrating under the leadership of an Oromo and so Ethiopians should stand with TPLF to save Ethiopia. In other words TPLF wants to use this independence talk to come back to power. That is the most TPLF cares about and that is why no Ethiopian is worried about Tigray seceding. It is just hot air.

Slowly but surely TPLF and tigrean elites will swallow the fact that Ethiopians don't want to go back the cruel TPLF rule and are for now happy with the oromo PM Abiy. TPLF should wait until Abiy makes many mistakes and until people get fed up. But for now he is doing well, no one misses TPLF, they can secede if they want. No one cares about it.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

Seems like a very armed region with qabilist elites is gearing up for a civil war if abiy wins the election again.

Who knew tigray and amhara couldn't handle seeing successful oromos being emboldened. The former slaves now the masters. This must be how rednecks felt after obama.

May allah help ethiopia, because i won't be praying for them this ramadan.

In-depth Analysis: Towards Tigray Statehood? - Addis Standard

Debretsion G/Michael, President of Tigray Regional state, greeting a crowd of hundreds of thousands during the 45th founding anniversary of TPLF in Mekelle on February 11, 2020. Kjetil Tronvoll @KjetilTronvoll Addis Abeba, May 14/2020 - The postponement of the elections and Prime Minister Abiy...

addisstandard.com

Obama's Kenyan though

 

[Juke]

They already did, Eritrea exists.

 

[Pipit]

Obama's Kenyan though

They already did, Eritrea exists.

Eritrea is 50% non Tigrayan

 

[xabashi]

They already did, Eritrea exists.

What has that to do with Tigray? Do you even know the difference between Tigreans and Eritreans?

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

What? He is.

 

[Juke]

What has that to do with Tigray? Do you even know the difference between Tigreans and Eritreans?

Same thing, Tigrayans are the majority in Eritrea. They're an independent sovereign nation.

 

[xabashi]

Same thing, Tigrayans are the majority in Eritrea. They're an independent sovereign nation.

No Tigrians are people from the Tigray region in Ethiopia. Tigrinya speaking Eritreans are not Tigreans, they are kebesas or Tigrinyas. That is why I said you don't know the difference. Kebesas/Tigrinyas see themselves as Eritreans but the majority of Tigreans see themselves as Ethiopians. You are mixing two different people, at least in terms of how they identify. When it comes to culture and language, yes they both have many similarities but when it comes to self identification, they are greatly different.

 

[firefox]

let that habesha hole balkanize, walle i couldn't care

 

[Juke]

No Tigrians are people from the Tigray region in Ethiopia. Tigrinya speaking Eritreans are not Tigreans, they are kebesas or Tigrinyas. That is why I said you don't know the difference. Kebesas/Tigrinyas see themselves as Eritreans but the majority of Tigreans see themselves as Ethiopians. You are mixing two different people, at least in terms of how they identify. When it comes to culture and language, yes they both have many similarities but when it comes to self identification, they are greatly different.

I know Ethiopian and Eritrean Tigrayans have explained it to me in the past. They're still the same people.

 

[xabashi]

I know Ethiopian and Eritrean Tigrayans have explained it to me in the past. They're still the same people.

Clearly you have no clue.

 

[Marcus]

Clearly you have no clue.

whats the difference, all I know is tigray girls have bigger breasts

 

[xabashi]

whats the difference, all I know is tigray girls have bigger breasts

The kebesa in Eritrea see themselves as Eritreans and the tigreans in Tigray see themselves as Ethiopians. That is one difference in identity (how they identify themselves).

 

[Juke]

Clearly you have no clue.

 

[Removed]

This is all hot air nothing substantive behind. No, Tigrean elites would not go the independence route knowing very well this is the most stupid decision they made. Look, if Tigray secedes tomorrow it will have almost zero effect on Ethiopia but the effects on Tigray will be huge in political, social, security and economic terms. Tigray society will be torn apart since there is no consensus among Tigreans on this matter. A huge chunk of the society see themselves as pure Ethiopians and will fight to stay within Ethiopia. Both the elites and the society will be divided which will open the door for other external forces (mainly Ethiopia and Eritrea) to influence Tigray internal matters. Economically it is simply suicidal since Tigray is heavily dependent on Ethiopia and doing business with Ethiopia in hard currency is equal to a death sentence.

There is also another sever issue and that is the border dispute Tigray has both with Eritrea and the Amhara region. In fact the border dispute with Amhara region will overnight turn into a dispute between two countries Tigray and Ethiopia. Tigray then has two face both Eritrea and Ethiopia. That is all crazy. No wonder one of the most influential and top TPLF leaders recently compared the idea of independence like jumping into fire. Believe me even if the federal government tomorrow declares war on Tigray, I don't think TPLF goes the independence rule.

You have to try to understand why TPLF and some tigrean elites is playing with this idea. Most Ethiopians know their mentality and very well understand they don't mean it really. All this crap talk has only one aim. They want to send a message to Ethiopians that Ethiopia is disintegrating under the leadership of an Oromo and so Ethiopians should stand with TPLF to save Ethiopia. In other words TPLF wants to use this independence talk to come back to power. That is the most TPLF cares about and that is why no Ethiopian is worried about Tigray seceding. It is just hot air.

Slowly but surely TPLF and tigrean elites will swallow the fact that Ethiopians don't want to go back the cruel TPLF rule and are for now happy with the oromo PM Abiy. TPLF should wait until Abiy makes many mistakes and until people get fed up. But for now he is doing well, no one misses TPLF, they can secede if they want. No one cares about it.

What areas are disputed between them and why have amharas never lobbyed for there areas back?

 

[Octavian]

if it helps the country to fall apart i say lets emoblden them it will make for fine shit show and atleast i will have reason to watch tv for once