Thoughts on this Indian
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Radical
Been there, done that
Muslim ummah care so much about each other that they are willing to buy organs of fellow Muslims from their Chinese oppressors?
Could you at least try to refute each quote one at a time instead of lumping everything together and throwing mindless adhominems
i am somali to the max and this ummah talk is weird and pathetic. Care about yourself before you care for others, or else how can you help anyone when you are drowning in shit?
I already did.
IF the report cited in your link from western NGO's (which are western intelligence/propaganda fronts) were to be true, then it would about the secular rulers in Muslim countries propped up by the west. Your post says nothing of the Ummah as majority of Muslims are against it and raise awareness of all oppression against our brothers and sisters.
Even the link you used to make your point is a site created by Muslims in the diaspora raising awareness about the oppression of our brothers and sisters in China. You refuted yourself with that one.
Why do you kuffar care so much about the Ummah? Why does it make you all froth at the mouth and feel scared? Just take a look at this thread, it is majority kuffar complaining about an Ummah that has nothing to do with them.
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Somalis are Muslims and Islam comes first. Our Somali people are part and parcel of the ummah and we care about all.
If you think Islam is weird and pathetic then you are not "Somali to the max" Somalis would not consider you one of us at all.
Radical
Been there, done that
Oh the classic "everything I don't agree with is fake news"
I posted multiple links btw
Struggles in the muslim world must be highlighted but as somalis we should focus on Somalia and our people first. It's not rocket science just common sense.
my dna says otherwise but sure
and i never said islam was weird and pathetic, but this we are one "unit" just because we are muslims.
Yes, because the west does not use NGO's to spread propaganda for their aims right?
You have no argument. You used links from Islam21c to make your point which directly refutes your claims as it is created by Muslims in Britain to support the Ummah.
Then you cited CNN lol! Yes, very trustworthy source CNN and western NGO's on China.
I even entertained it for you and said even IF it is true, it is speaking of the evil secular rulers and their ilk propped up by the west in the Muslim world.
Again, no Muslim cares what kuffar think about any aspect of Islam including the importance of the Ummah at large.
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Then you need to study Islam because the Ummah is part and parcel of it, calling a part of Islam weird and pathetic is calling the whole of it. Be careful what you say.
Muḥammad is the Messenger of Allāh; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allāh and [His] pleasure. Their sign is in their faces from the effect of prostration [i.e., prayer]. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that He [i.e., Allāh] may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allāh has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.
Surah Al-Fath 29
O you who have believed, whoever of you should revert from his religion - Allāh will bring forth [in place of them] a people He will love and who will love Him [who are] humble toward the believers, strong against the disbelievers; they strive in the cause of Allāh and do not fear the blame of a critic. That is the favor of Allāh; He bestows it upon whom He wills. And Allāh is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
Surah Al-Ma'idah 54
The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allāh that you may receive mercy.
Surah Al-Hujurat 10
And hold firmly to the rope of Allāh all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allāh upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allāh make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.
Surah Ali Imran 103
And obey Allāh and His Messenger, and do not dispute and [thus] lose courage and [then] your strength would depart; and be patient. Indeed, Allāh is with the patient.
Surah Al-Anfal 46
Narrated An-Nu`man bin Bashir:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You see the believers as regards their being merciful among themselves and showing love among themselves and being kind, resembling one body, so that, if any part of the body is not well then the whole body shares the sleeplessness (insomnia) and fever with it."
Ahmad (18524) narrated from al-Baraa’ ibn ‘Aazib, that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Indeed the strongest bond of faith is to love for the sake of Allah and hate for the sake of Allah.”
Classed as hasan by the commentators on al-Musnad; also classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Targheeb (3030).
Love for the sake of Allah is one of the greatest acts of worship and one of the best of righteous deeds.
Al-Bukhaari (13), Muslim (45), and an-Nasaa’i (5017) narrated from Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, no one of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself of good.”
Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
Al-Kirmaani said: It is also part of faith to hate for his brother what he hates for himself of evil.
End quote from Fat-h al-Baari (1/58).
If faith, which is obligatory, is not complete unless one loves good for one’s fellow Muslim and hates evil for him, then loving the Muslim himself and being allied with him is more important and is of a higher level.
Gacmeey
Madaxweynaha Qurbo Joogta 🇸🇴
She’s a gaal sxb. She doesn’t understand the affinity Muslims have for each other on a individual level
Radical
Been there, done that
You seem very erratic. Try to take deep a breath while I spell it out for you...
Since you'll deny any link about Saudis buying organs, We can at least both agree that China is currently committing ethnic genocide against Muslims yes? Those videos you posted seem to acknowledge that
So all Muslim countries condemning China would be a natural conclusion yes? As we're all "one ummah" and all.
But that is not the case. In fact many of these Islamic nations gleefully do business with the Chinese.
So what is your "one ummah" then? Is it less about geopolitics and more social, more grounded. A sense of loving every Muslim individual, minus corrupt governments.
If that's the case then who qualifies as a Muslim? Do Shias, who rebuke and insult the prophet's wife and companions qualify? Do Sufi grave worshippers qualify? Does ISIS? Am I required to love ISIS because of Muslim ummah?
screaming kuffar on muslims who disagree with you will not help your case. explain how hussein the grandson of the prophet was slaughtered by another muslim just 60 years after the prophet's death, explain how the shia and sunnis are on each others necks. you can't join 2 billion with different cultures who face different problems in a one country. if you think it will work be my guest.
Erratic? Can you read? I have answered your question twice now. Corrupt rulers in Muslim countries placed as leaders by the west do not represent the Ummah, in fact they are placed there to destroy it. That is their job. I said this multiple times to you but you keep asking the same question.
If you need to scroll back and read a few times to process the simple answer. If not, admit you have no argument and stop responding.
Gacmeey
Madaxweynaha Qurbo Joogta 🇸🇴
Why are taking extreme examples? Moments and instances where there were conflicts between Muslims to prove what exactly? Muslims shouldn’t have affection for one another or they shouldn’t care about each other?
I love my Muslim brother/sister for the sake of Allah not because they gave me money or helped or my people.
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah, the Exalted, will say: 'Where are those who have mutual love for the sake of My Glory? Today I shall shelter them in My Shade when there will be no shade except Mine".
I do not call muslims kuffar just clear self-described kafirs such as yourself.
The Muslim Ummah with all its ethnicities as always been one under a Khilafa, that is the Islamic political system and this imposed system with nation states is a colonial relic that has brought nothing but destruction.
Again, why does this ummah you think does not exist strike so much fear into the kafirs heart? Take a look at how disturbed you all are in this thread.
The ummah is an integral part of Islam that kuffar always try to target, it makes them fearful and they try to incite hatred and disunity amongst Muslims.
All of the known kuffar on this forum have come out onto this thread to panic.
O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves [i.e., believers], for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason.
Surah Ali Imran 118
i am just saying it is good for somalis to solve their problems on their own. i can clearly see, a country of 2 billion with so many different cultural groups will devolve into civil war sooner or later. but hey, if my fellow Somalis want to join then its at their own peril.
