Thoughts on the Axumite Empire?

[HabarSteven12]

What in the actual fuc-
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What did I say that was wrong? Everything I quoted is from credible academic sources.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Yes, the kingdom of Aksum did control Zeila. In the third and fourth centuries A.D., the Ethiopian Kingdom of Axum was at the height of its powers and extended for a time over a considerable portion of south-western Arabia. It may be that Zeila, or Aulites as it was then called, was founded during this period, for Burton writes that it was "in its earliest ages dependent upon the Kingdom of Axum".

Axum never controlled any land past the Danakil, Burton was a colonial historian who was adamantly against anything Somali so taking his words at face value would be stupid.

Zeila was rebuilt and revived in the 10th century by Arab immigrants from Yemen. The word Zeila is of Arabic origin. Al-Zaylaa or Zaila is a type of bead worn by women. The kingdom of Himyar also controlled Zeila for a significant period of history. Zeila and Sawakin represented the Arab state, the state of Himyar, and the wars between it and Aksum.

Any historical texts, genetic info that would show an Arab migration across the Red Sea to Zeila and Sawakin? Himyar didn’t control anything past Yemen so this is blatant historical revisionism

Little is known about the origins of Berbera. El Firuzabadi derives it, with great probability, from two Himyar chiefs of Southern Arabia.

It obviously comes from the ethnonym Barbar which goes back all the way to ancient Punt.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/the-word-%E2%80%9Cberber-barbar%E2%80%9D-may-not-be-from-greek-but-from-an-ancient-egyptian-ethnonym-for-the-puntites.156704/

If Axum controlled Zeila for a significant period of time, it's plausible that they controlled Berbera as well due to its strategic location in international trade. Somalis didn't take part in the invasion of Himyar. Axum undertook a military expedition against Himyar and put an end to the persecution and killings of the believers of Isa(Peace be upon him).

“If” they did, but they didn’t.

 

[Yami]

Yes, the kingdom of Aksum did control Zeila. In the third and fourth centuries A.D., the Ethiopian Kingdom of Axum was at the height of its powers and extended for a time over a considerable portion of south-western Arabia. It may be that Zeila, or Aulites as it was then called, was founded during this period, for Burton writes that it was "in its earliest ages dependent upon the Kingdom of Axum".

Zeila was rebuilt and revived in the 10th century by Arab immigrants from Yemen. The word Zeila is of Arabic origin. Al-Zaylaa or Zaila is a type of bead worn by women. The kingdom of Himyar also controlled Zeila for a significant period of history. Zeila and Sawakin represented the Arab state, the state of Himyar, and the wars between it and Aksum.

Little is known about the origins of Berbera. El Firuzabadi derives it, with great probability, from two Himyar chiefs of Southern Arabia. If Axum controlled Zeila for a significant period of time, it's plausible that they controlled Berbera as well due to its strategic location in international trade. Somalis didn't take part in the invasion of Himyar. Axum undertook a military expedition against Himyar and put an end to the persecution and killings of the believers of Isa(Peace be upon him).

Say what you want about saylac but I’m going to have to stop you at the Berbera bit. The name itself says all we need to know. The only people who were referred to as berbers in the Red Sea region were black skinned people.

 

[Yami]

Ik imma get xooged in the replies
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Based & landheerpilled. Conqured from Sudan to Yemen. Truly a staple in Horn and Cushitic history.

 

[silentshimbir]

Yes, the kingdom of Aksum did control Zeila. In the third and fourth centuries A.D., the Ethiopian Kingdom of Axum was at the height of its powers and extended for a time over a considerable portion of south-western Arabia. It may be that Zeila, or Aulites as it was then called, was founded during this period, for Burton writes that it was "in its earliest ages dependent upon the Kingdom of Axum".

Zeila was rebuilt and revived in the 10th century by Arab immigrants from Yemen. The word Zeila is of Arabic origin. Al-Zaylaa or Zaila is a type of bead worn by women. The kingdom of Himyar also controlled Zeila for a significant period of history. Zeila and Sawakin represented the Arab state, the state of Himyar, and the wars between it and Aksum.

Little is known about the origins of Berbera. El Firuzabadi derives it, with great probability, from two Himyar chiefs of Southern Arabia. If Axum controlled Zeila for a significant period of time, it's plausible that they controlled Berbera as well due to its strategic location in international trade. Somalis didn't take part in the invasion of Himyar. Axum undertook a military expedition against Himyar and put an end to the persecution and killings of the believers of Isa(Peace be upon him).

yet like clock work you're on this site to continue to spew your propoganda . you've been disproven countless times with many references , even your own references you provided have been used to disprove yourself

 

[Aurelian]

What a cope lmao, Habesha are descendants of Yemeni colonalists that xooged Cushites

Aren't their mtDNA 45% Sabean ?

 

[Aurelian]

Modern s(your people) have no relation to Aksum they went extinct or diluted out hence it is a melting pot today.

How you can tell that? the semites arrived on the ethiopian hills between 1000-1900 BC, or 1500BC as I assume, the first semitic speaking Habeshi kingdom was between 900-800BC basically after 500 years of mixing. Habeshi I mean those who live on northern Ethiopia mostly Tigray, amhara.

 

[Three Moons]

Yes, the kingdom of Aksum did control Zeila. In the third and fourth centuries A.D., the Ethiopian Kingdom of Axum was at the height of its powers and extended for a time over a considerable portion of south-western Arabia. It may be that Zeila, or Aulites as it was then called, was founded during this period, for Burton writes that it was "in its earliest ages dependent upon the Kingdom of Axum".

Avalites was already a famous emporium during the Ptolemy dynasty in Egypt, and is mentioned by name in the Periplus of the 1st century AD, as a port with an ‘unruly’ population and without a ‘king’, so how could it be founded ‘again’ centuries later? What a stretch, but this is more of your suugo science that you have become infamous for on this website;

 

[Al hashimi]

Didn't somalis aid in the Axumite Invasion?

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Didn't somalis aid in the Axumite Invasion?

We simply don’t know. So far, there’s no historical evidence of Somalis serving in the Axumite army.

 

[Al hashimi]

There was a poem from Ibn Ishaq talking about Barbaris aiding the Hbash

 

[Khaem]

Didn't somalis aid in the Axumite Invasion?

Aint no clue. We don't have enough archeology done in the Horn and Sudan to know. Only reason we know Ethiopia is the first Christian country was a couple decades ago when archaeologists accidentally found this inscription and a coin with a cross written in many languages including Greek which was understood.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Aint no clue. We don't have enough archeology done in the Horn and Sudan to know. Only reason we know Ethiopia is the first Christian country was a couple decades ago when archaeologists accidentally found this inscription and a coin with a cross written in many languages including Greek which was understood. View attachment 304411

It's plausible that a small percentage of Somalis participated in the invasion of Himyar. Madhibaan had an extremely powerful and rich kingdom in Northern Somalia during the pre-Islamic period. Madhibaan was also allied with the kingdom of Aksum.

 

[Step a side]

It's plausible that a small percentage of Somalis participated in the invasion of Himyar. Madhibaan had an extremely powerful and rich kingdom in Northern Somalia during the pre-Islamic period. Madhibaan was also allied with the kingdom of Aksum.

Madhibaan are of Sabean origin. The vast majority of them carry J1-P58. They are Arabs paternally.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

There was a poem from Ibn Ishaq talking about Barbaris aiding the Hbash

Do you have a link for the poem?

 

[rania212]

Nah man. The scientific evidence is clear for all to see. There is Iron Age Arabian input with the Habesha and other similar groups. The Sabeans clearly colonised that part of the horn during the Iron Age 12th century BCE to 8th century BCE. Eritrean coast was the epicentre of this colonisation. The Arabian gene would later on down the centuries spill over to other groups like the Somalis who have it at 5-10%.

This is absolute nonsense, the Sabean colonial theory was left alone years ago. There is absolutely no evidence of it and your comment is completely off hand. Show me evidence of this colonisation.

 

[Step a side]

This is absolute nonsense, the Sabean colonial theory was left alone years ago. There is absolutely no evidence of it and your comment is completely off hand. Show me evidence of this colonisation.

It’s in your genetic makeup. You have 1/4 to 1/3 Yemeni Iron Age input if your from Tigray and Eritrea.

 

[Zak12]

It’s in your genetic makeup. You have 1/4 to 1/3 Yemeni Iron Age input if your from Tigray and Eritrea.

Not to mention that several South Arabian temples and architecture that could be found

 

[wonyluvr]

Cool script

 

[altrae]

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Pretty interesting architecture and the culture and lore seem to be similar to that of ancient Somali empires/sultanates. Did they also have a role in regional trade?