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Axmed Xaji said:
I'm a weirdo for ruining your fantasy of a powerful god that protects you from everything. Let me repeat: there is no god and Muhammad raped a 6 year old. Isnt that the Shahada or something?
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Seriously what are you 10? You are severely incapable of engaging in an intellectual conversation/debate with anyone on this forum. When someone refutes you, you get easily triggered and resort to insulting the users here, you get frustrated easily when someone disagrees with you.
I'm sorry but i stand by my comment that you are weird and you are incapable of debating with anyone here not to mention you don't even post evidence for your claims and you twist some verses out of context and lie to make your point. I suggest you educate yourself and once you mature you can come back here and engage in an intellectual debate.
 
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"Dr." Zakir Naik vs Shiikh Raamsade - REDUX!

More than 10 years ago, Shiikh Raamsade showed the world that the so-called Dr. Naik is nothing but a charlatan. Ten years later, it seems Dr. Naik is still a charlatan (I'm assuming this piece was penned recently). In the pantheon of Islamic charlatans, Dr. Naik is cream of the crop.

Below I'll debunk, again, some of his most ridiculous claims as I think there are a lot young people who may benefit from my erudition, wisdom and common-sense.

May Allah shows us all the path to gaalnimmo!

Hugo said:
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik
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Not to sound pedantic but in the real world there's no such thing as "proving." In the vernacular, the verb "prove" is used to mean the existence of evidence and reason so strong that it would be absurd to withhold, at least, provisional assent. In other words, in the real world there's only EVIDENCE and REASON. We know what is right or wrong based on the soundness of the evidence and reasons supporting it.

The reason is due to the incompleteness of human knowledge. To "prove" something means to be certain beyond a shadow of a doubt. But we know from every day experience that it's not possible to be 100% certain. How many times have you heard a court of law finding someone "proven" guilty only for evidence later to turn up exculpating that individual? Or situations were people were sent to death only for exculpating evidence to turn up on the 11th hour?

So, Dr. Naik, it's not possible to "prove" Allah. Only strong, compelling and persuasive evidence and reasons.



Hugo said:
Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.
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Two things here. One, an Atheist will only say there's no God to a Muslim, to a Jew, to Christian, to a theist, all the while specifically referring to a particular conception of God. So, it's disingenuous to claim Atheists just blurt out "there's no God" when we all know the god referenced is the god believed by the majority of the local population.

Second, the god of Islam decidedly has "human qualities." Allah exhibits very human qualities such as compassion, anger, joy, wrath, etc. There's no good reason why Allah would these very human-like qualities. So, it's simply false to claim the god of Islam is substantively different from other dieties that exhibit anthropomorphic qualities.


Hugo said:
The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
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None of these is remotely true or unique to Islam. A lot of cultures that predated Islam believed living things were made of water. Same is true regarding the light of the moon. And the Quran DOES NOT say the earth is spherical. Quran's cosmology is demonstrably false. The Quran depicts geocentric earth with a dome atop flat earth made of 7 concentric layers. The starts are lights and you can literally climb a later to reach the sealing (sky).




Hugo said:
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe
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Typical theist reasoning: string together half-baked premises and make a dash for a premature conclusion. Nothing that has be written would lead any right-thinking person that Dr. Naik has a compelling case for Allah.



Hugo said:
For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.
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Thanks for admitting, Dr. Naik, that religious obscurantism is well and alive in Islam. This is the reason Islam is in a such backward state. Rejecting reason and evidence, called Science, is surefire way to impoverish your people.
 
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GodKnowsBest

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merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam.

1. Merciless religion: Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
vs.
1 John 3:17
"But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?"

2. Terrorism: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...mber-terror-attacks-worldwide-dropped-13-2015

3. Women's Rights:
A people will not succeed who are commanded by a woman.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 4163, Grade: Sahih

4. Rejects Science:
Upholding FGM -
Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri
 
Don

Don

GodKnowsBest said:
merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam.

1. Merciless religion: Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
vs.
1 John 3:17
"But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?"

2. Terrorism: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...mber-terror-attacks-worldwide-dropped-13-2015

3. Women's Rights:
A people will not succeed who are commanded by a woman.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 4163, Grade: Sahih

4. Rejects Science:
Upholding FGM -
Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri
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Stop cherry picking from the quran mmmkay

We muslims have ethics of war, where are your ethics of war?
O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.
 
Don

Don

GodKnowsBest said:
merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam.

1. Merciless religion: Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
vs.
1 John 3:17
"But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?"

2. Terrorism: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...mber-terror-attacks-worldwide-dropped-13-2015

3. Women's Rights:
A people will not succeed who are commanded by a woman.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 4163, Grade: Sahih

4. Rejects Science:
Upholding FGM -
Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri
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1930s Englishmen riding on the back of a poor Indian woman

And these people enforce equal rights today:what1:


When islam gave equal rights to women 1400 years ago
 
GodKnowsBest

GodKnowsBest

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Hugo said:
Stop cherry picking from the quran mmmkay

We muslims have ethics of war, where are your ethics of war?
O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.
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I'm not cherry-picking. I'm showing what is rampant in the quran. There are 200+ verses on violence and many of them are not even rooted in war. If there are no suitable explanations for why this is in your scripture it is apparent that it is a violent one.
 
GodKnowsBest

GodKnowsBest

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Coulombs law said:
Seriously what are you 10? You are severely incapable of engaging in an intellectual conversation/debate with anyone on this forum. When someone refutes you, you get easily triggered and resort to insulting the users here, you get frustrated easily when someone disagrees with you.
I'm sorry but i stand by my comment that you are weird and you are incapable of debating with anyone here not to mention you don't even post evidence for your claims and you twist some verses out of context and lie to make your point. I suggest you educate yourself and once you mature you can come back here and engage in an intellectual debate.
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He isn't insulting anyone with that comment. However you are insulting him. Muhammad did rape Aisha whether she was 6 or 9. Muhammad is meant to be the pinnacle of innocence and what humans strive to but he has killed humans, raped humans, could not keep a single wife all his life and hated the west. He is exactly what Muslim countries are becoming. Please do not even dare comparing him to Jesus Christ. You could not name a single sin of Jesus Christ if you tried.
 
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Jujuman

Accomplished Saaxir
Hugo said:
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik



CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST


Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.


LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD


My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah

(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)


QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE


The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?


THEORY OF PROBABILITY


In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.



The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.
QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE


Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.


SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD


Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]
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If you think I'm gonna read all that shit while baked then think again.

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