This is humiliating

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Denial is a river in Egypt...... the Somali region has been apart of 'Ethiopia' going on 80 years now.
Why is there still surprise at seeing an Ethiopian flag in the area?

The somali region is not part of Ethiopia it just that Ethiopia government is just forcing to to part of it they are occuping Ogaden tru force and killing

 

[Zak12]

As others said, lip service is nothing if it means the Somali region can prosper. Other parts of Ethiopia are being set on fire by comparison.

I'm guess some here are forgetting that the Somali region was literally fighting Ethiopia for decades until 2018. This is the one and only time in its modern history where it is seeing genuine peace and development (save for those shitty Oromo/Afar border conflicts). Any pretense that Somalis are loyal to Ethiopia therefore are silly.

You saw Cagjar ask Somalis in Somali region if this at the JigJiga university recently.

IIRC, he also honored Siad Barre. The man definitely has some dignity as a Somali and doesn't truly believe in being Ethiopian like other states.

 

[DubatDiaries]

The somali region is not part of Ethiopia it just that Ethiopia government is just forcing to to part of it they are occuping Ogaden tru force and killing

They failed in conquering it , then went on a secret backdoor agreement with the British to hand it over, fought the local resistance with the help of Americans and from then on the Somali region operated disconnected from Ethiopia at large and they barely administrated it. Ogadenians throughout was attached to Somalia

These are just the extra details. The K5 region is recognized as/ has been recognized internationally as a subregion of Ethiopia. The regional government also exists within that Ethiopian political framework.
I'm not saying anything new here

 

[gasara]

These are just the extra details. The K5 region is recognized as/ has been recognized internationally as a subregion of Ethiopia. The regional government also exists within that Ethiopian political framework.
I'm not saying anything new here

Even if it is recognized as a subregion of Ethiopia we do not see ourselves as Ethiopian or a part of Ethiopia at all. One moment they are nice to us the next moment they kill us and take our lands.

Don’t let a couple fools make you believe they’re pro Ethiopia. This is exactly what abiy wants us to believe. And it’s clearly working since y’all are calling them oromos & whatnot.

Exactly. They've pillaged and destroyed most of our families theres deep mistrust. We are proud Somalis. Ive never seen a somali from that region call themselves a Somali Ethiopian.

The somali region is not part of Ethiopia it just that Ethiopia government is just forcing to to part of it they are occuping Ogaden tru force and killing

Yup we do not want to have anything to do with them but we cant do anything as they have international backing and funding. And they will kill you and your family. We've already lost too much families.

 

[DubatDiaries]

Even if it is recognized as a subregion of Ethiopia we do not see ourselves as Ethiopian or a part of Ethiopia at all. One moment they are nice to us the next moment they kill us and take our lands.

Somalis in the K5 deserve the much needed investment into the region and it is the responsibility of the Ethiopian federal government to deliver that. They spent the better half of the last century fighting the Somali separatist movements and brutalizing the people living there - now that a peace deal was signed by all parties, we expect to see the Ethiopian federal govt delivering on their part of the deal.

I know somalis living in the 'Somali galbeed' see themselves as Somali, our very own hypernationalist president Siad Barre even hails from this region

 

[Idilinaa]

These are just the extra details. The K5 region is recognized as/ has been recognized internationally as a subregion of Ethiopia. The regional government also exists within that Ethiopian political framework.
I'm not saying anything new here

That region operated more or less detached from Ethiopia and they were on a constant war to liberate themselves. That's what i am saying.

You can say on paper or on a map it was as seen as part of Ethiopia but in reality it didn't operate like it was.

Also i think you and others are missing the point of what Ogadenians fought for, it wasn't against the concept of ''Ethiopian identity'' or simply having hatred for them. Or Somali nationalism.

It was about development of their region, self-governance , political inclusion and freedom. You hear this expressed by Makhtal Dahir the leader of NasrAllah liberation movement.
He says:
"We wanted our freedom. It was impossible to seek it through democratic means in a country where there is no free speech and no political party machinery, where expeditions are sent to collect taxes by force — seizing camels and mil-let crops. When we asked the Emperor for internal self-government, he threatened to shoot 180 Somali chiefs. He had an inkling what we were up to, and tried to impose a new head tax on cattle. Quran schools were ordered closed, and the laws allowed for one wife and no divorce. All this interfered with Muslim Somali traditions; and as leaders, we were expected to execute this policy. We discussed it and decided to pull out. When the Ethiopians discovered our opposition, they intended to arrest all of us. But by that time we had gone into hiding, where we formed the Liberation Government."

You see this echoed in the letter sent to the British and the United Nations where Ogaden leader wrote a petition against the transfer of their region

''Ethiopia is not in a position to develop our country''
''As we have no voice in their government''

And the same goes for the Ogaden War in 1977 , it wasn't about ''Greater Somalia'', it was about giving Somalis in Ogaden self-determination. You can see this shared by one of Siad Barre's advisors

Siad Barre wasn't trying to forcefully take Ogaden. See the advisor to Siad Barre explain:

''Somalia is not saying that Western Somali region must join it, But that it must be allowed to exercise it's right to self-determination, just as Djibouti was allowed to excercize her rights. Even if they choose to unite with Ethiopia or to be on their own - that will not be the concern of Somalia. Somalia only supports Western Somalia only in it's right to fight for independence''

 

[Idilinaa]

As others said, lip service is nothing if it means the Somali region can prosper. Other parts of Ethiopia are being set on fire by comparison.

Exactly, they are in a improved situation. Plus if they approach this with long term perspective in mind , more development of their region will just result in more increased autonomy and in the case Ethiopia dissolves like Yugoslavia they can secede and operate functionally as a country of their own.

 

[MalcolmFitzhugh08]

Doing dhaanto for Abiy of all people and waving around the flag of Ethiopia… idek what to say

United horn of Africa under the proto Cushite Abiys leadership

 

[DubatDiaries]

That region operated more or less detached from Ethiopia and they were on a constant war to liberate themselves. That's what i am saying.

Yes … the ‘war to liberate themselves’ stopped in 2018 when one of the last standing armed groups demilitarized and made a peace deal with both the federal and regional government.
I haven’t heard of any other active ‘liberation movements’ (aside from alshabaab)

Also i think you and others are missing the point of what Ogadenians fought for, it wasn't against the concept of ''Ethiopian identity'' or simply having hatred for them. Or Somali nationalism.

I don’t think I made any claim on what they fought for.

 

[Zak12]

it wasn't against the concept of ''Ethiopian identity''

Honestly I would argue this was the case to an extent since Ethiopian identity is simply incompatible with our own. Despite the country's diversity, Ethiopian identity is ultimately rooted in the highland Christian Habesha culture which is utterly alien to our own, even more so back during the imperial days. Most other non-Habeshas were subjugated or gradually adopted elements of their culture like Oromos which is why they are so pro Ethiopian despite initially being foreign to Ethiopia. Even proponents of so called Ethiopian civic nationalism is a weapon used by Amhara and other groups to promote that alien culture.

 

[Idilinaa]

Honestly I would argue this was the case to an extent since Ethiopian identity is simply incompatible with our own. Despite the country's diversity, Ethiopian identity is ultimately rooted in the highland Christian Habesha culture which is utterly alien to our own, even more so back during the imperial days. Most other non-Habeshas were subjugated or gradually adopted elements of their culture like Oromos which is why they are so pro Ethiopian despite initially being foreign to Ethiopia. Even proponents of so called Ethiopian civic nationalism is a weapon used by Amhara and other groups to promote that alien culture.

I am not saying Somalis should accept Ethiopian identity, you can clearly see it in the Jigjiga students they don't see themselves as such and Reer Galbeed are largely just attached to other Somali regions.

I was just saying that the struggle of Ogadem was much deeper than this.

 

[Idilinaa]

Yes … the ‘war to liberate themselves’ stopped in 2018 when one of the last standing armed groups demilitarized and made a peace deal with both the federal and regional government.
I haven’t heard of any other active ‘liberation movements’ (aside from alshabaab)



I don’t think I made any claim on what they fought for.

It never stopped, the struggle continues by different means.

The armed group didn't disband, ONLF is still functional, they are also included in the government of Somali region as a political party and still have their base in Eritrea where they stock their weapons.

Ethiopian military chief’s remarks spark ONLF backlash

Mogadishu (HOL) — The Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) is calling on the Ethiopian government to immediately clarify and retract statements allegedly made by General Berhanu Jula, Chief of Staff of the Ethiopian National Defense Forces, in which he reportedly described the ONLF as an...

www.hiiraan.com

The group also warned that a lack of action by the Ethiopian government would signal a breach of the peace agreement signed between the two sides in 2018. ONLF leadership stressed that the group has fully upheld its commitments to the agreement, which ended hostilities and established ONLF as a legal political party in Ethiopia's Somali region.

"Six years ago, we entered into a peace agreement. Since then, we have conducted our struggle peacefully. Our region has been one of the most stable, and we have committed to a strategic, peaceful approach for the benefit of our people. ONLF's political stance has always been clear—it is based on peace," Adani added.

Alshabab is not a liberation movement they are a khwariji terrorist group.

 

[Kane]

Doing dhaanto for Abiy of all people and waving around the flag of Ethiopia… idek what to say

State government staff and performers are welcoming the guy who pays their salaries, where is the embarrassment.

and that thing you called dhaanto was subpar I have seen better by ciyaal hooyo mataalo.

i understand the beef some faaraxs have with us, that’s why I always let it slide.
But what’s yours as a naag, is it a religious thing?

 

[ditto]

State government staff and performers are welcoming the guy who pays their salaries, where is the embarrassment.

and that thing you called dhaanto was subpar I have seen better by ciyaal hooyo mataalo.

i understand the beef some faaraxs have with us, that’s why I always let it slide.
But what’s yours as a naag, is it a religious thing?

Beef with us kulaha Idek who or what you are

 

[DubatDiaries]

The armed group didn't disband, ONLF is still functional, they are also included in the government of Somali region as a political party and still have their base in Eritrea where they stock their weapons.The group also warned that a lack of action by the Ethiopian government would signal a breach of the peace agreement signed between the two sides in 2018. ONLF leadership stressed that the group has fully upheld its commitments to the agreement, which ended hostilities and established ONLF as a legal political party in Ethiopia's Somali region.

My friend, I did not say they disbanded, demilitarized was the term I used. Part of the peace negotiations was the disarmament of the ONLF and some vague agreements to reintegrate the fighters into the Liyu.

The ONLF and their lore is a different discussion, maybe even for another thread.

So, as for my original comment- Is the Somali region in Ethiopia? Does the political apparatus (including ONLF) in that region operate within the Ethiopian political/legal framework?
I'm having a hard time trying to follow your argument. Is your argument: The K5 region is in fact, not in Ethiopia??
Is Abiy not their prime minister?

Alshabab is not a liberation movement they are a khwariji terrorist group.

 

[Idilinaa]

My friend, I did not say they disbanded, demilitarized was the term I used. Part of the peace negotiations was the disarmament of the ONLF and some vague agreements to reintegrate the fighters into the Liyu.

The ONLF and their lore is a different discussion, maybe even for another thread.

So, as for my original comment- Is the Somali region in Ethiopia? Does the political apparatus (including ONLF) in that region operate within the Ethiopian political/legal framework?
I'm having a hard time trying to follow your argument. Is your argument: The K5 region is in fact, not in Ethiopia??
Is Abiy not their prime minister?

No. Liyu Police as disbanded as it was rooted in counter-insurgency and pacifying the Somali population as an arm of the TPLF . They created their own seperate regional police unit and reformed it re-purposed them for regional security operations.

 

[_Yusuf_]

Doing dhaanto for Abiy of all people and waving around the flag of Ethiopia… idek what to say

OG got completely back doored by Somalia and left hung out to dry. I ain't gonna knock their hustle now. They tried the freedom fighting route.

 

[DubatDiaries]

No. Liyu Police as disbanded as it was rooted in counter-insurgency and pacifying the Somali population as an arm of the TPLF . They created their own seperate regional police unit and reformed it re-purposed them for regional security operations.

'Liyu' is still used to reference the Somali regional army in Ethiopia. The locals call them Liyu, the diaspora does, even the officers themselves.
Its Ileys legacy in the Somali region - a strong standing Somali militia in the K5.

Qaabkii Loo Mideeyay Ciidamadii ONLF & Kuwii Liyuu Police | Historical Day.

Same lower level officers , units...whatever military hardware...They slapped on some new name tags on the uniform and purged the top commanders loyal to Iley in place of those loyal to Cagjar and the prosperity party.

Although Abdi ‘Iley’ was ousted, the pillars of his regime remained in place, in particular the liyu police and one-party rule of the (now) Somali Democratic Party. A de-Baathification of the liyu police – meaning its complete abolition – would have created more problems than it would have resolved, potentially destabilising the entire region. But the current choice of keeping the mostly unreformed liyu police as the region’s main security provider is deeply problematic. Changes to the liyu police have been more cosmetic than substantial. For example, in August this year its members received new ‘Somali State Forces’ name tags. Not only are many perpetrators among the liyu police ranks, but the regular police continue to play second fiddle in law enforcement. In May this year liyu policemen reportedly killed five civilians at the border with Galmudug and in early September they were accused of killing several residents, including children, in Raaso. Continuity between the Abdi ‘Iley’ years and today is also notable in what does not exist in Somali region – an independent judiciary and trusted public institutions

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Niggas on this site when they see Ethiopian state propaganda for some reason: